idk about you guys but when you look at TL the players insane aimers , SCREAM by far most consistent aimer in the world since day one , but when it matters you feel they are always behind , idk man they need a new coach to develop players' skill , or maybe a new an igl bcz TL dont know how to adapt mid matches they either win 13-1 or they tremendously lose, it sucks man scream is the best player out there he carried this team for long but one player cant do it alone , i wish some NA team buy him tsm/100t would be on par with sentinels if they had scream
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VahitGuetta [#2]Just -Jamppi +any good jett
well jamppi has a very promising talent , i think he needs time and like i said a caoch to develop and put his talent in good use
VahitGuetta [#2]Just -Jamppi +any good jett
not true, jamppi is good when he is not forced to igl... just get a igl instead of kryptix and let jamppi focus on shooting
i think their problem is jamppi. he is super inconsistent, i mean duelist should be the one who carried the team, but this guy was hardly to perform against tier 1 team or on important matches and not good enough to play as duelist. he should play other role and give back the duelist role to scream. and i kinda agree that they need new igl.
WhatADrag [#6]Liquid needs a better operator player tbh
no, they just need jampii to be playing more than decent every game
UnrivaleD [#4]well jamppi has a very promising talent , i think he needs time and like i said a caoch to develop and put his talent in good use
He isn't a new pro fps player. He knew that he shouldn't overpeek but he does that over and over again. If you wanna create an A tier team you must have a star jett player. Does Jamppi fit these definitions? I don't think so. Maybe it would be better to give him another agent (like they did in split) but it seems scream doesn't feel comfortable on jett.
edtheking12 [#8]no, they just need jampii to be playing more than decent every game
They have been expecting this from Jamppi ever since they lost against fnatic at Iceland. He needs to come up big in LCQ or else its bye bye for him
VahitGuetta [#10]He isn't a new pro fps player. He knew that he shouldn't overpeek but he does that over and over again. If you wanna create an A tier team you must have a star jett player. Does Jamppi fit these definitions? I don't think so. Maybe it would be better to give him another agent (like they did in split) but it seems scream doesn't feel comfortable on jett.
broter i didnt watch the first half.. so pls correct me, doesnt he always overpeek and pick the first kills in every map
A_Silent_Fart [#12]broter i didnt watch the first half.. so pls correct me, doesnt he always overpeek and pick the first kills in every map
The first half of what, I didn't understand?
edtheking12 [#8]no, they just need jampii to be playing more than decent every game
tbf, i think playing more than decent in every game is a must for any pro in the tier 1 scene
A_Silent_Fart [#15]icebox
No, Gambit led the first half by 9-3. Both Jamppi and d3ffo were playing bad. Also, I checked Jamppi's stats in this tournament:
Against Navi: -7
Against Oxg: +26 (Even keloqz has life game against OXG)
Against Forze: -2 (Forze is one of the worst teams in this tournament)
Against Gambit: --19
Jamppi is a talented player but he usually plays bad against good teams.
VahitGuetta [#10]He isn't a new pro fps player. He knew that he shouldn't overpeek but he does that over and over again. If you wanna create an A tier team you must have a star jett player. Does Jamppi fit these definitions? I don't think so. Maybe it would be better to give him another agent (like they did in split) but it seems scream doesn't feel comfortable on jett.
He is still insane, he just bad in big games. Its more of a mental issue than a skill diff
deadSQUAD [#7]i think their problem is jamppi. he is super inconsistent, i mean duelist should be the one who carried the team, but this guy was hardly to perform against tier 1 team or on important matches and not good enough to play as duelist. he should play other role and give back the duelist role to scream. and i kinda agree that they need new igl.
Seriously, it doesn't take that hard of a look to realise Jamppi is clearly the biggest issue on the team. At least that's where they should start fixing the problem.
edtheking12 [#3]it's not the team, it's more jampii. He's a great player, but he's pretty inconsistent, especially today, where he couldn't hit his op shots. Scream and link player really well. Same goes for soulcas
I mean, he isn't that inconsistent. Look at his performances over the past 10 games and you'll see his ACS is very solid and consistent. He had one bad series, chill.
Shut the fk up lmfao. Best player in the world my ass and 100t picks up scream for who? Asuna? Ethan? Both are better then scream and tsm picks up scream as a sova main? Lol. If you say "most consistent aim" scream has a 33% headshot rate in val. Which is really good but aproto has 38% headshot rate in val which is the highest HS% rn. And if only aim mattered then scream who've won something in val by now lol. If someone says would you exchange zombs with scream in sen I'll be like fk off with that shit. I need a team player not an all aim no brain guy. Scream isn't even the best player in EU ffs
heavnsent [#22]I mean, he isn't that inconsistent. Look at his performances over the past 10 games and you'll see his ACS is very solid and consistent. He had one bad series, chill.
not that inconsistent, but inconsistent enough to make liquid lose very important games like today. If jampii was playing just a tad better, liquid couldve easily won the icebox game.
CrimsonPrid3 [#23]Shut the fk up lmfao. Best player in the world my ass and 100t picks up scream for who? Asuna? Ethan? Both are better then scream and tsm picks up scream as a sova main? Lol. If you say "most consistent aim" scream has a 33% headshot rate in val. Which is really good but aproto has 38% headshot rate in val which is the highest HS% rn. And if only aim mattered then scream who've won something in val by now lol. If someone says would you exchange zombs with scream in sen I'll be like fk off with that shit. I need a team player not an all aim no brain guy. Scream isn't even the best player in EU ffs
They don't have great game sense that I miss when I watch them. They go to solo peak often leaving their team in a disadvantage.
Not playing sova/skye on bind is like mind-blowing. (Also not having a sova main)
Keep switching up roles like whos playing smokes and duelist like its ranked... not playing as a team, relying on individual performance and luck.
Doesn't have a good default, five stacking a site, poor execution.
Bad midround calls.
Not playing off each other.
Communication doesn't seem like on point. I
nstead of playing with your buddys help you ego peak a duel which you lose most of the time.
Also I keep seeing people mentioning that Scream is all aim no brain. Hmm yeah.
anshul [#19]Seriously, it doesn't take that hard of a look to realise Jamppi is clearly the biggest issue on the team. At least that's where they should start fixing the problem.
true, you can see it from his matches history, most of his jett matches against tier 1 teams had minus K/D. clearly this is not what you expected from main jett. im not saying they should kicked him, he just need to play other agents like KJ or omen, he looks good with it
CrimsonPrid3 [#23]Shut the fk up lmfao. Best player in the world my ass and 100t picks up scream for who? Asuna? Ethan? Both are better then scream and tsm picks up scream as a sova main? Lol. If you say "most consistent aim" scream has a 33% headshot rate in val. Which is really good but aproto has 38% headshot rate in val which is the highest HS% rn. And if only aim mattered then scream who've won something in val by now lol. If someone says would you exchange zombs with scream in sen I'll be like fk off with that shit. I need a team player not an all aim no brain guy. Scream isn't even the best player in EU ffs
Ethan and asuna aren’t better than scream lmao
they dont deserve anything. every team is only as good as their players, but the firepower of team liquid far outweigh the results they have been able to get so far. they played worse than gambit yesterday and lost. the map gambit lost was 13-11, and the map liquid lost was 13-3, clearly showing that gambit is the better team. no team "deserve" anything, and whatever the players of a team want, they have to work hard and win like everyone else to get it.
ShadowisBAD [#30]bro even though liquid fans were racist to me , TL deserved to win yesterday , icebox they made a HUGE comeback like 11-5 , gambit won by luck ,
:D?
hellaeleganceyeah [#28]they dont deserve anything. every team is only as good as their players, but the firepower of team liquid far outweigh the results they have been able to get so far. they played worse than gambit yesterday and lost. the map gambit lost was 13-11, and the map liquid lost was 13-3, clearly showing that gambit is the better team. no team "deserve" anything, and whatever the players of a team want, they have to work hard and win like everyone else to get it.
Even if liquid lost the first map there is no assurance that gambit will win bind, they go god mod when playing under insane pressure coz of their mental fortitude. why do people think gambit are good and still liquid is trash to compete against them after going toe to toe in 2 maps, its so wrong for people to push the same narrative again when they have proven so much that gambits win wasnt any free and who tf are you to know they arent working when they have improved so much in iceland and are top 4-5 in EMEA. Their attack had problems in the navi match too and i feel like even if sliggy had plans it wasnt pratical enough for liquid coz he has to admit liquid needs practice in icebox after perma banning icebox for a long time.
A_Silent_Fart [#32]Even if liquid lost the first map there is no assurance that gambit will win bind, they go god mod when playing under insane pressure coz of their mental fortitude. why do people think gambit are good and still liquid is trash to compete against them after going toe to toe in 2 maps, its so wrong for people to push the same narrative again when they have proven so much that gambits win wasnt any free and who tf are you to know they arent working when they have improved so much in iceland and are top 4-5 in EMEA. Their attack had problems in the navi match too and i feel like even if sliggy had plans it wasnt pratical enough for liquid coz he has to admit liquid needs practice in icebox after perma banning icebox for a long time.
still liquid doesnt "deserve" anything like the title suggests. they lost today and them being out of contention for berlin is fair and deserved. what are you even talking about, how do you actually believe any team deserve anything more than they are able to achieve. tsm didnt "deserve" to get to berlin, vs didnt "deserve" to get to iceland, and similarly tl dont "deserve" to get to berlin, cause they lost when it matters. always the crying liquid fan KEKW.
ShadowisBAD [#30]bro even though liquid fans were racist to me , TL deserved to win yesterday , icebox they made a HUGE comeback like 11-5 , gambit won by luck ,
pull the race card, but they lost against 2 cis team so they definitely dont "deserve" jack shit.
Adri98 [#29]TL dont deserve Berlin cuz 2 CIS teams were better than you. With 2 wins 2 loses you cant complain about anything. Just be better
Lmao, coming from a G2 fan. G2 doesn't deserve to be in berlin. They had such an easy bracket. Liquid is on the same level of Gambit and Gambit >>>>>> G2
WhatADrag [#11]They have been expecting this from Jamppi ever since they lost against fnatic at Iceland. He needs to come up big in LCQ or else its bye bye for him
The only way they qualify is if they drop Jamppi
hellaeleganceyeah [#33]still liquid doesnt "deserve" anything like the title suggests. they lost today and them being out of contention for berlin is fair and deserved. what are you even talking about, how do you actually believe any team deserve anything more than they are able to achieve. tsm didnt "deserve" to get to berlin, vs didnt "deserve" to get to iceland, and similarly tl dont "deserve" to get to berlin, cause they lost when it matters. always the crying liquid fan KEKW.
can you read? accept that liquid are realistically very good without coming up with trash like deserve which u cant define. cant u see how close the margin is between the two teams.. give some god damn respect to them for being able to put up a show against a top tier team like gambit
A_Silent_Fart [#37]can you read? accept that liquid are realistically very good without coming up with trash like deserve which u cant define. cant u see how close the margin is between the two teams.. give some god damn respect to them for being able to put up a show against a top tier team like gambit
i do have respect for them. and i realize the firepower the team has. but im disagreeing that they "deserve" anything. if u think any team deserve anything then ur delusional, play for it and win it, nobody deserves anything.
hellaeleganceyeah [#38]i do have respect for them. and i realize the firepower the team has. but im disagreeing that they "deserve" anything. if u think any team deserve anything then ur delusional, play for it and win it, nobody deserves anything.
They messed up in Challengers 1. They’d make it to berlin if they had a better seed for sure.I still don’t think G2 is good enough to go to Berlin. But i’d be happy to be proven wrong if they win against Gambit today.
If Liquid wanted to put themselves in the same position G2 put themselves at, then they perhaps should have considered not bombing out of EU Challengers#1 along with Fnatic. Regardless of that, at EMEA itself they then decided to lose against NaVi to jeopardise their chances of qualifying even more. So many chances, yet just simply not enough due to their lack of consistency.
Sova_Viper_Breach_Cypher [#5]not true, jamppi is good when he is not forced to igl... just get a igl instead of kryptix and let jamppi focus on shooting
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6vine [#39]They messed up in Challengers 1. They’d make it to berlin if they had a better seed for sure.I still don’t think G2 is good enough to go to Berlin. But i’d be happy to be proven wrong if they win against Gambit today.
oh no g2 is disappointing as shit, i agree on that. but tl didnt have a better seed, so they have to work harder for the same outcome.
hellaeleganceyeah [#34]pull the race card, but they lost against 2 cis team so they definitely dont "deserve" jack shit.
i just said that they deserved to win icebox after that comeback
if you think jammpi doesnt have potential you are genuinely are dumb all liquid need is a dedicated igl and jammpi needs to be allowed to express what he want.Plus this constant criticism of players after having a bad series is just dumb first it was ange1 then bonkar and now jammpi there is a reason they are there and people can have bad games unlucky for them it was in a crucial game.
ShadowisBAD [#43]i just said that they deserved to win icebox after that comeback
but gambit didnt win by luck.
6vine [#35]Lmao, coming from a G2 fan. G2 doesn't deserve to be in berlin. They had such an easy bracket. Liquid is on the same level of Gambit and Gambit >>>>>> G2
G2 had an easy bracket because they did the job in the first qualifier getting the #2 EU seed. TL needed the second qualifier to get the #5 EU seed. U wanna a ez bracket? Do your job on time and dont cry like a baby. Its too difficult to see the reality for you.
hellaeleganceyeah [#45]but gambit didnt win by luck.
yeah that i agree , i was half asleep when i typed that sorry
rushil20 [#44]if you think jammpi doesnt have potential you are genuinely are dumb all liquid need is a dedicated igl and jammpi needs to be allowed to express what he want.Plus this constant criticism of players after having a bad series is just dumb first it was ange1 then bonkar and now jammpi there is a reason they are there and people can have bad games unlucky for them it was in a crucial game.
I agree with you but Jammpi is in an awkward position right now, I feel like he didn't find his role yet. Don't get me wrong, he is a great Jett, and an okay KJ/Omen/Sova but it looks like he is a top tier Operator player without a clear agent pool
MrPibb [#48]I agree with you but Jammpi is in an awkward position right now, I feel like he didn't find his role yet. Don't get me wrong, he is a great Jett, and an okay KJ/Omen/Sova but it looks like he is a top tier Operator player without a clear agent pool
i can agree with that that's why I think liquid need a dedicated igl and jamppi imo is an insane controller but people completely thrashing him on missing op shots is just dumb he is one of the best op users in emea and had one of his worst games yesterday. he completely deserves to be on that liquid roster.
CrimsonPrid3 [#23]Shut the fk up lmfao. Best player in the world my ass and 100t picks up scream for who? Asuna? Ethan? Both are better then scream and tsm picks up scream as a sova main? Lol. If you say "most consistent aim" scream has a 33% headshot rate in val. Which is really good but aproto has 38% headshot rate in val which is the highest HS% rn. And if only aim mattered then scream who've won something in val by now lol. If someone says would you exchange zombs with scream in sen I'll be like fk off with that shit. I need a team player not an all aim no brain guy. Scream isn't even the best player in EU ffs
You dont follow EU enough i guess , ScreaM single handedly carried Liquid to the top of EU and try asking Asuna if he is better than ScreaM , even TenZ respects him as a cracked player
Mrityunjay [#50]You dont follow EU enough i guess , ScreaM single handedly carried Liquid to the top of EU and try asking Asuna if he is better than ScreaM , even TenZ respects him as a cracked player
Yeah no doubt but they don't deserve to go if its only Scream carring his team. I know that Soulcas has been pretty well, but all of this that I wrote I made this conclusion watching them play against GAMBIT. Actually I wanted them to do well because they have the capability to do that but its disappointing to see this result.
Also you can't argue with the fact that their agent comp is shit and on bind there was a reason why they got stomped on.
6vine [#35]Lmao, coming from a G2 fan. G2 doesn't deserve to be in berlin. They had such an easy bracket. Liquid is on the same level of Gambit and Gambit >>>>>> G2
why so mad G2 qualified the first time while Liquid didnt and sure as hell does'nt deserve anything cuz they didnn't defeat Gambit lol and also TL lost to G2 in qualifiers
CrimsonPrid3 [#23]Shut the fk up lmfao. Best player in the world my ass and 100t picks up scream for who? Asuna? Ethan? Both are better then scream and tsm picks up scream as a sova main? Lol. If you say "most consistent aim" scream has a 33% headshot rate in val. Which is really good but aproto has 38% headshot rate in val which is the highest HS% rn. And if only aim mattered then scream who've won something in val by now lol. If someone says would you exchange zombs with scream in sen I'll be like fk off with that shit. I need a team player not an all aim no brain guy. Scream isn't even the best player in EU ffs
ive never seen a dumber comment on this site bro , you hating scream like he stole your mom from you , chill kid and go direct your real life issues elsewhere , and yeah he is the best aimer in val weather you like it or not
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