reasons why LOCK//IN is not a fluke:
reasons why Madrid is a fluke:
ShaoFeng [#3]U cant say lock isnt a fluke and madrid is, no tournaments are fake or flukes but if any were it would be fluke in
The top 5 of LOCK//IN (FNC NAVI LOUD DRX NRG) are the same top 5 as Champions 2022 (LOUD OPTIC(NRG) DRX FPX(NAVI) FNC)
fnc was just the best team undisputed, fluke or no fluke
lock in favored teams that were intact for much longer with the exception of fnc so ofc it would be the same teams as champs 2022.
3-11 is both a crumble and a fluke
this is literally the most expected trend based on prep time and footage
we don't know yet
the bigger fluke was winning Tokyo
EMEA was horrendous other than them ---> free pass to playoffs while showing little to no strats just running over EMEA bots (when your second best team is Liquid you know the region is doomed)
The only real team they beat at Tokyo was NRG who had an EU spy (coincidence?)
EG didnt have any practice, demon1 had visa issues and wasnt supposed to be at the event, they were practicing with a sub until a week before the event
PRX had a stand in
Despite all this they barely won against EG 13-11 0.1 seconds left in upper finals map 3 and grandfinals was 13-11 and 14-12
FNATIC dominance is the most greatly overexaggerated things in the valorant community
sentinelmain377 [#5]The top 5 of LOCK//IN (FNC NAVI LOUD DRX NRG) are the same top 5 as Champions 2022 (LOUD OPTIC(NRG) DRX FPX(NAVI) FNC)
neither FNC nor XSET should be considered "top 5" but if you were going to put one above the other XSET literally has the h2h tiebreaker so FNC is 6th and XSET was 5th
https://www.vlr.gg/130681/xset-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2022-ubqf
sentinelmain377 [#5]The top 5 of LOCK//IN (FNC NAVI LOUD DRX NRG) are the same top 5 as Champions 2022 (LOUD OPTIC(NRG) DRX FPX(NAVI) FNC)
Most of those came into 23 with different rosters besides loud and drx
ShaoFeng [#12]Most of those came into 23 with different rosters besides loud and drx
Especially fartnatic who turned into a superteam with the addition of leo and chronicle
XiXiWiiPee [#10]the bigger fluke was winning Tokyo
EMEA was horrendous other than them ---> free pass to playoffs while showing little to no strats just running over EMEA bots (when your second best team is Liquid you know the region is doomed)The only real team they beat at Tokyo was NRG who had an EU spy (coincidence?)
EG didnt have any practice, demon1 had visa issues and wasnt supposed to be at the event, they were practicing with a sub until a week before the event
PRX had a stand inDespite all this they barely won against EG 13-11 0.1 seconds left in upper finals map 3 and grandfinals was 13-11 and 14-12
FNATIC dominance is the most greatly overexaggerated things in the valorant community
oh i love reading the absolute copium from every single one of you. Delusions gotta be by far the most entertaining thing to see on VLR
ItsHunter [#14]oh i love reading the absolute copium from every single one of you. Delusions gotta be by far the most entertaining thing to see on VLR
3/4 of fnatics games at tokyo the opponents were heavily nerfed (4 if we count ardiis)
true or false?
Loomer [#8]
fnc was just the best team undisputed, fluke or no fluke
lock in favored teams that were intact for much longer with the exception of fnc so ofc it would be the same teams as champs 2022.
3-11 is both a crumble and a fluke
this is literally the most expected trend based on prep time and footage
we don't know yet
lowkey based, changed my opinion
Blaezey [#16]by this logic every tournament except lock/in was a fluke.
what tournament other than tokyo was there MULTIPLE TOP TEAMS that were heavily nerfed?
XiXiWiiPee [#15]3/4 of fnatics games at tokyo the opponents were heavily nerfed (4 if we count ardiis)
true or false?
You could argue this for so many teams that made deep runs and some that won tourneys as well. Loud faced literally nobodies in Champs 22 but they very obviously were the best team at the event, EG faced garbage until the upper finals and lower finals and then PRX threw the GF, Optic have literally never had a difficult run for their entire 1 year podium placements (they at most had 1 difficult game and 1 thrown away game (typically DRX)).
Theres never an argument for why a tournament is a fluke because for the past 3 years of valorant there has never been a tournament where there were more than 4 genuinely good teams (usually only 2 of which have a real chance at winning).
XiXiWiiPee [#19]what tournament other than tokyo was there MULTIPLE TOP TEAMS that were heavily nerfed?
what top teams were nerfed in tokyo lil bro?
ItsHunter [#21]what top teams were nerfed in tokyo lil bro?
prx had to play with cgrs instead of something which was a huge nerf but idk about the other "nerfed" team
ItsHunter [#14]oh i love reading the absolute copium from every single one of you. Delusions gotta be by far the most entertaining thing to see on VLR
i disagree with him but fnatic dominance is dramatically overexaggerated
ItsHunter [#20]You could argue this for so many teams that made deep runs and some that won tourneys as well. Loud faced literally nobodies in Champs 22 but they very obviously were the best team at the event, EG faced garbage until the upper finals and lower finals and then PRX threw the GF, Optic have literally never had a difficult run for their entire 1 year podium placements (they at most had 1 difficult game and 1 thrown away game (typically DRX)).
Theres never an argument for why a tournament is a fluke because for the past 3 years of valorant there has never been a tournament where there were more than 4 genuinely good teams (usually only 2 of which have a real chance at winning).
you cant say this about any other teams, what tournament other than tokyo was there MULTIPLE TOP TEAMS that were heavily nerfed that only one team faced to win a trophy?
ItsHunter [#25]how so?
so much of their shit was close as fuck, if eg went ot in that split game and won that masters tokyo would have been way more competetive, and they also barely won lock in, fnatic obviously deserved to win but i just think it could have gone any other way and it wasnt really clear until they had the map pick advantage which they know how to abuse
Jwiw [#27]This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. You're just mad that NRG didn't make it to Madrid but if they did you'd say it wasn't a fluke. LOL
not an NRG fan unless my punjabi goats FNS and Chet are both in the team
shesh_ [#23]prx had to play with cgrs instead of something which was a huge nerf but idk about the other "nerfed" team
it wasnt like FNC didnt absolutely destroy them.
ShaoFeng [#3]U cant say lock isnt a fluke and madrid is, no tournaments are fake or flukes but if any were it would be fluke in
OP is saying that Lock//in results align with the tournaments before and after, which makes it not a fluke.
If the results of Madrid align with the results of Shanghai and/or Split 1, Madrid is not a fluke.
Seems to be what OP is trying to say. I'm not saying my opinion.
XiXiWiiPee [#10]the bigger fluke was winning Tokyo
EMEA was horrendous other than them ---> free pass to playoffs while showing little to no strats just running over EMEA bots (when your second best team is Liquid you know the region is doomed)The only real team they beat at Tokyo was NRG who had an EU spy (coincidence?)
EG didnt have any practice, demon1 had visa issues and wasnt supposed to be at the event, they were practicing with a sub until a week before the event
PRX had a stand inDespite all this they barely won against EG 13-11 0.1 seconds left in upper finals map 3 and grandfinals was 13-11 and 14-12
FNATIC dominance is the most greatly overexaggerated things in the valorant community
Do you remember that when Sen beat Fnc in the 2021 Reyk Javik grand finals, the maps were 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11? People overhyped Sen so much even though every map was a difference of 2 rounds.
valkin [#31]so much of their shit was close as fuck, if eg went ot in that split game and won that masters tokyo would have been way more competetive, and they also barely won lock in, fnatic obviously deserved to win but i just think it could have gone any other way and it wasnt really clear until they had the map pick advantage which they know how to abuse
When Sen beat Fnc in the 2021 Reyk Javik grand finals, the maps were 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11.
kanyefan4238173 [#28]no one says lock in is a fluke except retarded ppl
it was kinda mickey mouse but def not a fluke
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valkin [#31]so much of their shit was close as fuck, if eg went ot in that split game and won that masters tokyo would have been way more competetive, and they also barely won lock in, fnatic obviously deserved to win but i just think it could have gone any other way and it wasnt really clear until they had the map pick advantage which they know how to abuse
Im not so convinced, its like the Loud 3-1 in champs. Loud were so obviously the better team in that tournament and just because they had close maps doesnt mean anything. If you lose multiple maps in a grand finals and you arent able to pull out your 120% to win the game then youre just the worse team no 2 ways about it.
FNC winning 3 maps in a row just goes to show that theyre that much better regardless of the map scores. And if you wanna pull out the map scores to argue that had they won 1 more round they couldve posed a challenge then im sure i could look thhrough the match and make an even more bulletproof argument that FNC had more unlucky rounds that were taken away from them.
SEN in 2021 had a bunch of close maps in iceland but didnt lose a single one. That just goes to show how much better they are at closing out games than everyone else competing
Al-Mawsil [#39]aight u wanna be biased lil monkey boy, top 4 in lock in fnc, loud, drx, navi
next tourney
fnc - won (good on them won a proper tourney)
loud 0-2
drx 0-2
navi 0-2u are the definition of talking without thinking and im the definition of falling for baits
FNC won
LOUD always play poorly in the second stage of every year (2022 Copenhagen, 2023 Tokyo, 2024 Split 1 Shanghai)
DRX was actually 2-3
NAVI, well, idk.
XiXiWiiPee [#15]3/4 of fnatics games at tokyo the opponents were heavily nerfed (4 if we count ardiis)
true or false?
meanwhile OPTIC had the easiest tournament ever (Reykjavik 2022) with 0 of the good EMEA teams being in full form at the event (FPX couldnt attend cuz of visa issues, FNC had 2 subs)
OPTIC also had the easiest Copenhagen run:
(washed up LOUD that got grouped, KRU, XSET (who looked like hot fkn garbage and everyone thought NA was doomed after the game), DRX (chokers that got 5th/6th again))
while GUILD, who 2-0'd OPTIC, faced PRX and FPX (the finalists of the event) as soon as they entered playoffs, going 0-2 in playoffs...
but somehow Tokyo is a fluke (this is when FNC was shitting on everyone and maintaining their position as the best team in the world, despite how hard this is because everyone watches you)
sentinelmain377 [#43]FNC won
LOUD always play poorly in the second stage of every year (2022 Copenhagen, 2023 Tokyo, 2024 Split 1 Shanghai)
DRX was actually 2-3
NAVI, well, idk.
thats true mb bout drx tell u what u right lock in is all good
sentinelmain377 [#34]it wasnt like FNC didnt absolutely destroy them.
doesnt matter. with something prx would have a much higher chance against fnatic. prx almost went to final with a sub.
kirito5133 [#47]doesnt matter. with something prx would have a much higher chance against fnatic. prx almost went to final with a sub.
it wasnt even a nerf tho. PRX played at pretty much the same level they did with something. Why do you think CGRS was given such massive praise by everyone at the event and everyone watching it?
The level of play didnt significantly increase with Something and if anything they were far less disciplined and overheated WAAAY more when something came back which cost them key rounds in many games and even during the GF against EG.
The only thing that changed was their consistency map to map and their comp prep which again really wouldnt have made much of a difference considering their oppositions best maps and perma bans
XiXiWiiPee [#26]not arguing with someone who cant read
do you realize what you wrote in your own comment? This is hella ironic im genuinely laughing so hard rn
ShaoFeng [#12]Most of those came into 23 with different rosters besides loud and drx
the core players are still the same though
TheAceGamer30 [#42]Ignore him he is just jealous that sen owned his team
"Owned"
NRG almost won with some week of practice which was crazy and defines how good that team is.
Loomer [#8]
fnc was just the best team undisputed, fluke or no fluke
lock in favored teams that were intact for much longer with the exception of fnc so ofc it would be the same teams as champs 2022.
3-11 is both a crumble and a fluke
this is literally the most expected trend based on prep time and footage
we don't know yet
ItsHunter [#48]it wasnt even a nerf tho. PRX played at pretty much the same level they did with something. Why do you think CGRS was given such massive praise by everyone at the event and everyone watching it?
The level of play didnt significantly increase with Something and if anything they were far less disciplined and overheated WAAAY more when something came back which cost them key rounds in many games and even during the GF against EG.
The only thing that changed was their consistency map to map and their comp prep which again really wouldnt have made much of a difference considering their oppositions best maps and perma bans
ignoring the player quality which gap is unimaginably . they needed to change their whole gameplan. they needed to switch multiple roles and much more. cgrs was a good sub but with something its a different team. prx games were won by heroics. saying it wasnt a nerf its almost makes me think if the comment was a bait
Manas_o_0 [#51]"Owned"
NRG almost won with some week of practice which was crazy and defines how good that team is.
almost won? LMAO nrg was never gonna win buddy
Al-Mawsil [#39]aight u wanna be biased lil monkey boy, top 4 in lock in fnc, loud, drx, navi
next tourney
fnc - won (good on them won a proper tourney)
loud 0-2
drx 0-2
navi 0-2u are the definition of talking without thinking and im the definition of falling for baits
group of death happened, also just look a the regular season which happened right after loc//in
Manas_o_0 [#51]"Owned"
NRG almost won with some week of practice which was crazy and defines how good that team is.
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