i legit feels bad for thailand, their represent org suck ass
how is one of the best Asian country if come to FPS fumble this hard, their literary tons of cracked thai players out there...but they cant even get 5 to Tier1 ? what going on in this orgs
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they went on interviews and discussed why they no go full thai:
- Reasons why talon didn’t go full Thai
- The players weren’t good enough (t2 and t3 players), and the players who were good enough were contract jailed
- The rookie players didn’t listen to comms
- Jit was getting bullied last year
- The culture in Thailand is toxic, they talk a lot of shit and it was a negative environment
found my source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
ZekaTheGoat [#3]Imagine Primmieyk, Garnets, Jitboys on the same team HOLY might be top 5 aimer team itw
top 4/5 fo sho
Al-Mawsil [#4]they went on interviews and discussed why they no go full thai:
- Reasons why talon didn’t go full Thai
- The players weren’t good enough (t2 and t3 players), and the players who were good enough were contract jailed
- The rookie players didn’t listen to comms
- Jit was getting bullied last year
- The culture in Thailand is toxic, they talk a lot of shit and it was a negative environment
found my source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
are u thai ? how u know this
point 2 i disagree their literally tons of t2 thai players, give a chance they will shine
SleepyBear [#10]are u thai ? how u know this
point 2 i disagree their literally tons of t2 thai players, give a chance they will shine
read first sentence boi took interviews and discussed this all he even said on stream, if u want to know something you'll go out and find out if u wanna complain u shout and nag without doing any research.
also like i said some players were good enough bu they were contract jailed
Al-Mawsil [#11]read first sentence boi took interviews and discussed this all he even said on stream, if u want to know something you'll go out and find out if u wanna complain u shout and nag without doing any research.
also like i said some players were good enough bu they were contract jailed
ohhhh i see
Al-Mawsil [#4]they went on interviews and discussed why they no go full thai:
- Reasons why talon didn’t go full Thai
- The players weren’t good enough (t2 and t3 players), and the players who were good enough were contract jailed
- The rookie players didn’t listen to comms
- Jit was getting bullied last year
- The culture in Thailand is toxic, they talk a lot of shit and it was a negative environment
found my source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
wdym jit was getting bullied
like by his own teamates?
quite literally?
is that fr?
BoF7ooM [#8]Remember Thailand from 2021? Undisputedly the best. Even in 2022, they were nasty, beating Optic and so on.
X10 beating ENVY was peak SEA valorant then, good times
Al-Mawsil [#11]read first sentence boi took interviews and discussed this all he even said on stream, if u want to know something you'll go out and find out if u wanna complain u shout and nag without doing any research.
also like i said some players were good enough bu they were contract jailed
he's gonna complain about anything without research about it, I experienced it while ago hahaha
xbiubiuuu [#7]their young players are toxic and egoistic as fck if u dont know. Hop on any apac radiant stream and u'll see snappykub, primmie, killua, etc talking shit and streamsniping everyone
damn idk that, well well well.... NVM then now i know why
CoCloudy [#13]wdym jit was getting bullied
like by his own teamates?
quite literally?
is that fr?
yes it is fr boi said it, plus foxz apologised for his behaviour so quite clearly someone was being verbally attacked i just managed to find out who.
Al-Mawsil [#11]read first sentence boi took interviews and discussed this all he even said on stream, if u want to know something you'll go out and find out if u wanna complain u shout and nag without doing any research.
also like i said some players were good enough bu they were contract jailed
i feel like garnets doesnt fit that tho. only one i heard who was truely was foxz and he apologized.
BoF7ooM [#8]Remember Thailand from 2021? Undisputedly the best. Even in 2022, they were nasty, beating Optic and so on.
Xerxia beat Optic in 2022 and fell off. They bombed out of both Copenhagen and Champs
Al-Mawsil [#4]they went on interviews and discussed why they no go full thai:
- Reasons why talon didn’t go full Thai
- The players weren’t good enough (t2 and t3 players), and the players who were good enough were contract jailed
- The rookie players didn’t listen to comms
- Jit was getting bullied last year
- The culture in Thailand is toxic, they talk a lot of shit and it was a negative environment
found my source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
That's just an excuse. FS and MiTH are much better than TLN
Al-Mawsil [#17]yes it is fr boi said it, plus foxz apologised for his behaviour so quite clearly someone was being verbally attacked i just managed to find out who.
can you link the stream where boi says all this?
or a clip or smthg
PP12123213123 [#20]That's just an excuse. FS and MiTH are much better than TLN
ive said that good players were in contract jail, they did try to get thai players off season they were even going to try 4 thai players + boi so he could help some of them rookies grow because all the good players were inaccessible to them but unfortunately the rookie players just had behavioural issues
AzShun [#15]he's gonna complain about anything without research about it, I experienced it while ago hahaha
no one talking to you & no one asking your opinion on lil bro, why are u on my D1ck ? lmao
BoF7ooM [#8]Remember Thailand from 2021? Undisputedly the best. Even in 2022, they were nasty, beating Optic and so on.
good old days
CoCloudy [#21]can you link the stream where boi says all this?
or a clip or smthg
i didnt clip it but feel free to go on boi's next stream and ask him urself
Al-Mawsil [#22]ive said that good players were in contract jail, they did try to get thai players off season they were even going to try 4 thai players + boi so he could help some of them rookies grow because all the good players were inaccessible to them but unfortunately the rookie players just had behavioural issues
i refuse to believe they couldnt get 2 extra players from nkt mith or full sense. its just bad excuse. thats a 15 player sample and they could have gotten one and kept garnets or get 2 if your gonna remove garnets.
Al-Mawsil [#22]ive said that good players were in contract jail, they did try to get thai players off season they were even going to try 4 thai players + boi so he could help some of them rookies grow because all the good players were inaccessible to them but unfortunately the rookie players just had behavioural issues
how is contract jail actually work tho....like if u pay them enough or the buy out payment high enough they will let them go no ?
lez [#19]Xerxia beat Optic in 2022 and fell off. They bombed out of both Copenhagen and Champs
I mean it sound like copium, but they were in some very stacked groups imo. At champs they were in a group of masters winners FPX, an extremely hot KRU that dismantled the South American LCQ and XShit (by far the 2nd best team in NA). M2 they werent good.
SleepyBear [#27]how is contract jail actually work tho....like if u pay them enough or the buy out payment high enough they will let them go no ?
shits expensive
no org really wants pay buyouts
kirito5133 [#26]i refuse to believe they couldnt get 2 extra players from nkt mith or full sense. its just bad excuse. thats a 15 player sample and they could have gotten one and kept garnets or get 2 if your gonna remove garnets.
well believe what u wanna believe I just heard from one party go ask players on ntk mith or full sense if u really want to know
ZekaTheGoat [#3]Imagine Primmieyk, Garnets, Jitboys on the same team HOLY might be top 5 aimer team itw
idk bout garnets cz he seems inconsistent af
Al-Mawsil [#30]well believe what u wanna believe I just heard from one party go ask players on ntk mith or full sense if u really want to know
that one party obviously wont say they made the wrong decision so they are trying to save face. its just a horrible excuse from the management. thai as a sub region has so much potential but this shit org is ruining it....
Al-Mawsil [#22]ive said that good players were in contract jail, they did try to get thai players off season they were even going to try 4 thai players + boi so he could help some of them rookies grow because all the good players were inaccessible to them but unfortunately the rookie players just had behavioural issues
talon's fault tbh
Al-Mawsil [#22]ive said that good players were in contract jail, they did try to get thai players off season they were even going to try 4 thai players + boi so he could help some of them rookies grow because all the good players were inaccessible to them but unfortunately the rookie players just had behavioural issues
TLN sign lenne to be their igl and lets PTC to the FS ,And they ask MiTH to lets kadoom go for free. I think the main problem is Talon is broke
kirito5133 [#32]that one party obviously wont say they made the wrong decision so they are trying to save face. its just a horrible excuse from the management. thai as a sub region has so much potential but this shit org is ruining it....
ur just making assumptions plus b0i said it not talon officials ik there is bias but there is some truths rather than making things up I reccomend actually trying to find out if what he said is false if u care sm. If you dont then no need to talk about this situation
Al-Mawsil [#35]ur just making assumptions plus b0i said it not talon officials ik there is bias but there is some truths rather than making things up I reccomend actually trying to find out if what he said is false if u care sm. If you dont then no need to talk about this situation
???? what are you even talking about. boi said about foxz and his toxic activity. foxz accepted and apologised for it thats the end of matter with that. i am saying talon are giving excuse for not going full thai roster and trying to save face after making the wrong decision. also they said players werent good enough another lie when they lost to nkt in that off season event.
SleepyBear [#27]how is contract jail actually work tho....like if u pay them enough or the buy out payment high enough they will let them go no ?
Remember AE woman
ZekaTheGoat [#3]Imagine Primmieyk, Garnets, Jitboys on the same team HOLY might be top 5 aimer team itw
wait why did Garnets get kick tho ? Toxic ?
CoCloudy [#21]can you link the stream where boi says all this?
or a clip or smthg
aight i didnt wanna see like a lying bitch with no source so I managed to find the stream on yt vods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
PP12123213123 [#34]TLN sign lenne to be their igl and lets PTC to the FS ,And they ask MiTH to lets kadoom go for free. I think the main problem is Talon is broke
probably
kirito5133 [#36]???? what are you even talking about. boi said about foxz and his toxic activity. foxz accepted and apologised for it thats the end of matter with that. i am saying talon are giving excuse for not going full thai roster and trying to save face after making the wrong decision. also they said players werent good enough another lie when they lost to nkt in that off season event.
were u there on stream bro, since im clearly not explaining hard enough here is boi's rant any questions ask him or another thai t2 player since ur clearly care sm about the thai scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
Al-Mawsil [#42]were u there on stream bro, since im clearly not explaining hard enough here is boi's rant any questions ask him or another thai t2 player since ur clearly care sm about the thai scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
so what are you trying to prove because some statement are obviously made to save face
said players werent good enough for tier1. its a lie if they werent good enough then they wouldnt lose to tier 2 thai team. if they are dogshit and you lose to them then how shit you must be. dont forget they are not a good angel as well. they tried to get kadoom to retire so they can get him for free. if the environment is toxic its because of their own fucking fault. they are not helping the thai culture but actively fueling it
kirito5133 [#43]so what are you trying to prove because some statement are obviously made to save face
said players werent good enough for tier1. its a lie if they werent good enough then they wouldnt lose to tier 2 thai team. if they are dogshit and you lose to them then how shit you must be. dont forget they are not a good angel as well. they tried to get kadoom to retire so they can get him for free. if the environment is toxic its because of their own fucking fault. they are not helping the thai culture but actively fueling it
whatever u say man me personally i couldnt care go talk to someone who does
Al-Mawsil [#44]whatever u say man me personally i couldnt care go talk to someone who does
you cared enough to make 10 comment on this thread so take the L and talon is a dogshit organization and the reason why thai scene is so toxic.
CoCloudy [#29]shits expensive
no org really wants pay buyouts
yo i remember... i hear a romors also say Talon tried to get kadoom to retire so they can get him for free and not pay the BuyOut
so whos fault here Talon being broke & shit Orgs / Thai orgs being shit...tough ?
kirito5133 [#45]you cared enough to make 10 comment on this thread so take the L and talon is a dogshit organization and the reason why thai scene is so toxic.
i care about the players on talon not the org or thailand scene, ic u have a problem with the org more so rlly no point going on forth plus guaranteed u havent watch the whole rant shit goes on for at least 20 minutes and u replied so quickly.
shinehh [#2]Talon proves that my king cgrs is the best thai player to ever grace valorant
respect the gift of thai esports patiphan
Al-Mawsil [#47]i care about the players on talon not the org or thailand scene, ic u have a problem with the org more so rlly no point going on forth plus guaranteed u havent watch the whole rant shit goes on for at least 20 minutes and u replied so quickly.
i dont wanna waste 20m of my time when the first point he makes is obviously a lie. fuck the org. no hate to the players. they got chance they will take it. i will always blame the management for their incompetence.
kirito5133 [#49]i dont wanna waste 20m of my time when the first point he makes is obviously a lie. fuck the org. no hate to the players. they got chance they will take it. i will always blame the management for their incompetence.
fair enough I respect that opinion
SleepyBear [#23]no one talking to you & no one asking your opinion on lil bro, why are u on my D1ck ? lmao
Been years here but you still yapping
SleepyBear [#27]how is contract jail actually work tho....like if u pay them enough or the buy out payment high enough they will let them go no ?
remember Kush from AE can go to franchised team but he got contract jailed?
SleepyBear [#38]ye what about it ? Enerii ?
yeah their contract said they couldnt join a different team in val for the next few years unless insane buyouts
ChowChow [#6]Only sscary and patiphan is good Thailand player that I remember.
Maybe the past XIA is good, but now TH team all bad.
Do you even watch the Thai scene? Just wait till Ascension.
iframedeez [#52]remember Kush from AE can go to franchised team but he got contract jailed?
yeah maybe, but i think it's just a rumors...cuz no official statement has said franchised team want Kush
soonwookong [#53]yeah their contract said they couldnt join a different team in val for the next few years unless insane buyouts
if u want someone that still under contract u need to pay more
it's not contract jail...that how contract work in every team no ?
SleepyBear [#55]yeah maybe, but i think it's just a rumors...cuz no official statement has said franchised team want Kush
bruh it's a business at the end of the day, no one really want to air a dirty laundry. iirc some journalist whistle blowing it tho, I could be wrong
iframedeez [#57]bruh it's a business at the end of the day, no one really want to air a dirty laundry. iirc some journalist whistle blowing it tho, I could be wrong
wdym a dirty laundry, if u want someone that still under contract u need to pay the buyout...that how contract work no ? i dont understand how is that a contract jail
SleepyBear [#58]wdym a dirty laundry, if u want someone that still under contract u need to pay the buyout...that how contract work no ? i dont understand how is that a contract jail
ya but any team can increase the buy out
aburnie [#54]Do you even watch the Thai scene? Just wait till Ascension.
Nope, but from all these comments from this thread I don't think it's worth to watch.
And most regional scene will looks good, even the ID scene. But not much can prove in bigger stage.
iframedeez [#59]ya but any team can increase the buy out
its means that Franchise team is broke & dogshit then...because Riot is giving $1.5 million to every teams that join their partnership program (Franchise)...if im not mistaken
Al-Mawsil [#40]aight i didnt wanna see like a lying bitch with no source so I managed to find the stream on yt vods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
Honestly, as a Thai, I can see it and agree with most points he made. The mechanical skill is there no doubt but with that comes the ego and stubborn-ness and also downright stupid plays. I think this may also be similar in other Southeast Asian countries where this mindset is prevalent in the gaming sphere. There is also a culture of seniority as with most Asian countries, you have to listen to the "eldest" or most experienced. Anyone could see that Jitboys was by far the best player and also a very smart one at that regardless of his mechanic
I think emotions need to managed and the toxic environment was harbored due to successive losses and having no clear point to blame. Perhaps b0i is too direct and cares only about facts not feelings which affected the players and while I don't think b0i is an insane coach nor player, he still comes from a successful region and has played with top players with top mentalities and knows that a certain professional standard must be held. I think the Thai mindset is also of "Who are you to come in here from NA and boss us around" and then people just refuse to listen. There is no use shitting on people and calling them stupid, if you disagree with how they played civil discussions should be held.
SleepyBear [#61]its means that Franchise team is broke & dogshit then...because Riot is giving $1.5 million to every teams that join their partnership program (Franchise)...if im not mistaken
dont forget the bundle with minimum guarantee. its just they are cheap and they have no ambition
ChowChow [#60]Nope, but from all these comments from this thread I don't think it's worth to watch.
And most regional scene will looks good, even the ID scene. But not much can prove in bigger stage.
I am not denying toxic mentalities nor egotistical players. I am simply saying that the level of play in the Thai T2 scene is not bad and the two current top teams atm FS and MiTH actually play a smart and methodical game.
xbiubiuuu [#7]their young players are toxic and egoistic as fck if u dont know. Hop on any apac radiant stream and u'll see snappykub, primmie, killua, etc talking shit and streamsniping everyone
That's just all of APAC though, our region is like this as a whole. Full of young, egotistical kids who found their talents in a newfound game. This is definitely not a Thai-exclusive issue either so don't make it out like that. The whole region is fucked.
aburnie [#65]That's just all of APAC though, our region is like this as a whole. Full of young, egotistical kids who found their talents in a newfound game. This is definitely not a Thai-exclusive issue either so don't make it out like that. The whole region is fucked.
true that tho, indos are toxic to lmao
Qenny [#67]Ngl the good ones are contract jailed
contract jailed or Talon just Broke ? last year they tried to get Kadoom for free...Talon told kadoom to pretend to be retired so they not pay the Buyout...its massive Drama on thai scene back then
aburnie [#64]I am not denying toxic mentalities nor egotistical players. I am simply saying that the level of play in the Thai T2 scene is not bad and the two current top teams atm FS and MiTH actually play a smart and methodical game.
Fair point, but still they're in regional scene. Hard to compare when they play in International scene.
Now you do mention FS, I remember that they used to be good. Can even almost rivaling PRX at that time.
SleepyBear [#56]if u want someone that still under contract u need to pay more
it's not contract jail...that how contract work in every team no ?
no, the contract details include the few years after it expires unless you renew - including if u don't renew cause there's no offer to renew
soonwookong [#70]no, the contract details include the few years after it expires unless you renew - including if u don't renew cause there's no offer to renew
bruh wdym no -_- that is exacly what i said... someone that still under contract (1/2 year), they need to Buyout that
SleepyBear [#71]bruh wdym no -_- that is exacly what i said... someone that still under contract (1/2 year), they need to Buyout that
what part of "after it expires" do you not understand
aburnie [#65]That's just all of APAC though, our region is like this as a whole. Full of young, egotistical kids who found their talents in a newfound game. This is definitely not a Thai-exclusive issue either so don't make it out like that. The whole region is fucked.
no man. In radiant lobbys, apart from some indian kids, almost everyone are polite and mature. idk about u but i watch a lot of apac radiant streamers and their lobbys are pretty chill. What ure talking about is sg server in general, not in high elo
Al-Mawsil [#4]they went on interviews and discussed why they no go full thai:
- Reasons why talon didn’t go full Thai
- The players weren’t good enough (t2 and t3 players), and the players who were good enough were contract jailed
- The rookie players didn’t listen to comms
- Jit was getting bullied last year
- The culture in Thailand is toxic, they talk a lot of shit and it was a negative environment
found my source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
so i watched from the timestamps u posted there because I don't really have time to watch the whole thing but tbh i do agree with the points he made about the thai scene lacking new ideas and professionalism, I've been complaining about the same thing for the past few years. however, it doesn't explain talon's bizarre roster-making decisions. like how do you explain picking up not one but TWO na imports as well as a singaporean player who has never been more than above average and was regularly getting rolled by xerxia while also playing with two imports on his team. I've always liked ban from when he played in na as well as when he was on t1 last year but no way both him and governor got picked up over all the other players because of another reason other than some sort of nepotism (or something like that, english isn't my first language so the correct isn't coming to mind). Like, the Thai scene isn't like the Indian scene where you need to have a bunch of imports to surround one great mechanical player to have a competitive team (no offense to the indian fans btw, for the record i've always thought that ge should have always been majority indian, and from watching the scene on and off myself i think that there's a bunch of players who deserve a shot but aren't getting one). We've always been a top region in asia and either the best or second best in SEA (and its not just my own bias, I've seen many non-Thai fans echo the same sentiment) we have talent here, you can't just throw in a bunch of imports who weren't super hyped up, call it a day, and expect the fanbase to be happy with it.
This roster just feels kind of lazy and comprised of players that the coaches knew could play well enough without actually putting in the work to find hidden gems (yes, i know they said they did go through a pretty extensive trial process) but there are a bunch of players on big thai teams that the fans have wanted to see on the next level for a while now and the fact that they picked up none of them feels so discouraging. boi basically ignored the whole drama about talon being shady and trying to get players out of their contracts without paying the buyout. like this is just looks like such a lazy view of the thai scene. we have a scene with a healthy level of org representation and talon can't just strong-arm their way into getting players just because they're in franchising, it's not our fault that good players in the country are on orgs instead of fa teams like na.
And even if they really can not afford to buy the players, simply dismissing young more unknown players with raw skill but maybe unrefined in terms game sense by saying they're just not good enough is just lazy roster building. Karon was literally someone nobody knew about who was picked from ranked, you're telling me he's the player that he is today the moment solo or hsk scouted him out? no way he was. you are supposed to find those types of players and turn them into stars and teach them about the game and teach them about being in a team, isn't that what they're saying they're trying to do? why not do it then? The xerxia/x10 core were able to do that with surf and brought him up from being an unknown ranked demon to a player who could at least hold his own internationally back in 2022 and even had some insane mechanical peaks, why can't they do that with someone else?
Also I really don't like the attitude he's had throughout the whole time he's talking about this stuff, where he was painting himself and frost as like the americans saviors of the thai scene (they did this in the interview on the talon esports channel as well) and that the players were straight up stupid and didn't know how to think about the game (they also said this in that video). like excuse me? I'll agree with you when you say that the players got better but not when you say they were shit before. The xerxia/x10 core achieved more than b0i ever did as both player and coach and had a way more sustained period of success than frost did, surely they were doing at least something right. surely they weren't straight up dumb when it came to the mental aspect of the game. hell, talon looked like a great team at lock in and that was way before b0i joined the team.
Edit: jesus christ why the fuck did I write that much bruh
BLJY [#74]so i watched from the timestamps u posted there because I don't really have time to watch the whole thing but tbh i do agree with the points he made about the thai scene lacking new ideas and professionalism, I've been complaining about the same thing for the past few years. however, it doesn't explain talon's bizarre roster-making decisions. like how do you explain picking up not one but TWO na imports as well as a singaporean player who has never been more than above average and was regularly getting rolled by xerxia while also playing with two imports on his team. I've always liked ban from when he played in na as well as when he was on t1 last year but no way both him and governor got picked up over all the other players because of another reason other than some sort of nepotism (or something like that, english isn't my first language so the correct isn't coming to mind). Like, the Thai scene isn't like the Indian scene where you need to have a bunch of imports to surround one great mechanical player to have a competitive team (no offense to the indian fans btw, for the record i've always thought that ge should have always been majority indian, and from watching the scene on and off myself i think that there's a bunch of players who deserve a shot but aren't getting one). We've always been a top region in asia and either the best or second best in SEA (and its not just my own bias, I've seen many non-Thai fans echo the same sentiment) we have talent here, you can't just throw in a bunch of imports who weren't super hyped up, call it a day, and expect the fanbase to be happy with it.
This roster just feels kind of lazy and comprised of players that the coaches knew could play well enough without actually putting in the work to find hidden gems (yes, i know they said they did go through a pretty extensive trial process) but there are a bunch of players on big thai teams that the fans have wanted to see on the next level for a while now and the fact that they picked up none of them feels so discouraging. boi basically ignored the whole drama about talon being shady and trying to get players out of their contracts without paying the buyout. like this is just looks like such a lazy view of the thai scene. we have a scene with a healthy level of org representation and talon can't just strong-arm their way into getting players just because they're in franchising, it's not our fault that good players in the country are on orgs instead of fa teams like na.
And even if they really can not afford to buy the players, simply dismissing young more unknown players with raw skill but maybe unrefined in terms game sense by saying they're just not good enough is just lazy roster building. Karon was literally someone nobody knew about who was picked from ranked, you're telling me he's the player that he is today the moment solo or hsk scouted him out? no way he was. you are supposed to find those types of players and turn them into stars and teach them about the game and teach them about being in a team, isn't that what they're saying they're trying to do? why not do it then? The xerxia/x10 core were able to do that with surf and brought him up from being an unknown ranked demon to a player who could at least hold his own internationally back in 2022 and even had some insane mechanical peaks, why can't they do that with someone else?
Also I really don't like the attitude he's had throughout the whole time he's talking about this stuff, where he was painting himself and frost as like the americans saviors of the thai scene (they did this in the interview on the talon esports channel as well) and that the players were straight up stupid and didn't know how to think about the game (they also said this in that video). like excuse me? I'll agree with you when you say that the players got better but not when you say they were shit before. The xerxia/x10 core achieved more than b0i ever did as both player and coach and had a way more sustained period of success than frost did, surely they were doing at least something right. surely they weren't straight up dumb when it came to the mental aspect of the game. hell, talon looked like a great team at lock in and that was way before b0i joined the team.
Edit: jesus christ why the fuck did I write that much bruh
Chill bro this team not gonna go anyway
Al-Mawsil [#4]they went on interviews and discussed why they no go full thai:
- Reasons why talon didn’t go full Thai
- The players weren’t good enough (t2 and t3 players), and the players who were good enough were contract jailed
- The rookie players didn’t listen to comms
- Jit was getting bullied last year
- The culture in Thailand is toxic, they talk a lot of shit and it was a negative environment
found my source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdAEjsUEVE
4:35:00 where it kinda starts a lil irrelvant but it starts with how he views the thai scene currently
4:50:30 is where it starts to explain everything i said i dont remeber how long the rant goes on for but evrything over this should answer ur questions
i didnt know that jit got bullied last year, but i think this is true if u look at jit career he was shit in old talon
melon_fan [#76]talon has full korean r6 team lmao
Also a HK/TW LOL team, an org can be in multiple regions
SleepyBear [#23]no one talking to you & no one asking your opinion on lil bro, why are u on my D1ck ? lmao
tard mad he cant read LOL
melon_fan [#76]talon has full korean r6 team lmao
Talon is a org based in hk/tw but each division is from different country
BLJY [#74]so i watched from the timestamps u posted there because I don't really have time to watch the whole thing but tbh i do agree with the points he made about the thai scene lacking new ideas and professionalism, I've been complaining about the same thing for the past few years. however, it doesn't explain talon's bizarre roster-making decisions. like how do you explain picking up not one but TWO na imports as well as a singaporean player who has never been more than above average and was regularly getting rolled by xerxia while also playing with two imports on his team. I've always liked ban from when he played in na as well as when he was on t1 last year but no way both him and governor got picked up over all the other players because of another reason other than some sort of nepotism (or something like that, english isn't my first language so the correct isn't coming to mind). Like, the Thai scene isn't like the Indian scene where you need to have a bunch of imports to surround one great mechanical player to have a competitive team (no offense to the indian fans btw, for the record i've always thought that ge should have always been majority indian, and from watching the scene on and off myself i think that there's a bunch of players who deserve a shot but aren't getting one). We've always been a top region in asia and either the best or second best in SEA (and its not just my own bias, I've seen many non-Thai fans echo the same sentiment) we have talent here, you can't just throw in a bunch of imports who weren't super hyped up, call it a day, and expect the fanbase to be happy with it.
This roster just feels kind of lazy and comprised of players that the coaches knew could play well enough without actually putting in the work to find hidden gems (yes, i know they said they did go through a pretty extensive trial process) but there are a bunch of players on big thai teams that the fans have wanted to see on the next level for a while now and the fact that they picked up none of them feels so discouraging. boi basically ignored the whole drama about talon being shady and trying to get players out of their contracts without paying the buyout. like this is just looks like such a lazy view of the thai scene. we have a scene with a healthy level of org representation and talon can't just strong-arm their way into getting players just because they're in franchising, it's not our fault that good players in the country are on orgs instead of fa teams like na.
And even if they really can not afford to buy the players, simply dismissing young more unknown players with raw skill but maybe unrefined in terms game sense by saying they're just not good enough is just lazy roster building. Karon was literally someone nobody knew about who was picked from ranked, you're telling me he's the player that he is today the moment solo or hsk scouted him out? no way he was. you are supposed to find those types of players and turn them into stars and teach them about the game and teach them about being in a team, isn't that what they're saying they're trying to do? why not do it then? The xerxia/x10 core were able to do that with surf and brought him up from being an unknown ranked demon to a player who could at least hold his own internationally back in 2022 and even had some insane mechanical peaks, why can't they do that with someone else?
Also I really don't like the attitude he's had throughout the whole time he's talking about this stuff, where he was painting himself and frost as like the americans saviors of the thai scene (they did this in the interview on the talon esports channel as well) and that the players were straight up stupid and didn't know how to think about the game (they also said this in that video). like excuse me? I'll agree with you when you say that the players got better but not when you say they were shit before. The xerxia/x10 core achieved more than b0i ever did as both player and coach and had a way more sustained period of success than frost did, surely they were doing at least something right. surely they weren't straight up dumb when it came to the mental aspect of the game. hell, talon looked like a great team at lock in and that was way before b0i joined the team.
Edit: jesus christ why the fuck did I write that much bruh
allat but if u bring Lenne to ur team & your coach saying Tier 2 Thai doesnt have much talent thats GG, they dont even know what they are talking about.
i think they need some Thai coach instead of NA guy that doesnt know APAC scene
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