wtf is this? gekko+kayo and jett?? you're picking a duelist but no sova, your ONLY plant agent is the gekko, and where tf is yuran sending lil bro on the A hits because bomb keeps going down in fuckass nowhere, and can't get the plant down because no harbor, no sage, just a wingman with legit zero assistance
sugarzero creating zero mid pressure too
also someone update me when hiroronn binds his util
vastiraa [#2]this is the same exact comp geng and sen played
ya and it sucks
the plant util is weak as fuck and even still hiroronn is severely underusing his util
yuran also shit wingman usage
Targu1n [#4]just the new meta comp atm
we'll see if itll end up beating out the traditional sage comps but it has a ton of potential
ehhh not really lol teams that run double initiator are often taking out the duelist in exchange, harbor also has like a 40-50% pickrate?
the comp just lacks direct plant assistance that requires the team to compensate by fighting with the flash util and zeta havent used a flash in their entire lives it seems
finnwithtwons [#3]ya and it sucks
the plant util is weak as fuck and even still hiroronn is severely underusing his util
yuran also shit wingman usage
Two out the 3 things you just mentioned are player related. Maybe it's just a player gap.
finnwithtwons [#5]ehhh not really lol teams that run double initiator are often taking out the duelist in exchange, harbor also has like a 40-50% pickrate?
the comp just lacks direct plant assistance that requires the team to compensate by fighting with the flash util and zeta havent used a flash in their entire lives it seems
Erm no they're not. its either double initiator or double smokes. every good team always runs a duelist
Manaphy [#8]Two out the 3 things you just mentioned are player related. Maybe it's just a player gap.
ya maybe im judging too harshly, but i still think the comp has some pretty significant deficiencies that zeta clearly do not know how to compensate for
i also generally dislike duelist on icebox
Sir_Johnny123 [#9]Erm no they're not. its either double initiator or double smokes. every good team always runs a duelist
the very team you are repping does not run a duelist
https://www.vlr.gg/318915/fnatic-vs-team-heretics-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w1/?game=164100&tab=overview
wtf are you talking about my guy
finnwithtwons [#11]the very team you are repping does not run a duelist
https://www.vlr.gg/318915/fnatic-vs-team-heretics-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w1/?game=164100&tab=overviewwtf are you talking about my guy
double sentinel double initiator is very uncommon. find me 3 other teams that run that comp
finnwithtwons [#3]ya and it sucks
the plant util is weak as fuck and even still hiroronn is severely underusing his util
yuran also shit wingman usage
Bait used to be believable
Sir_Johnny123 [#12]double sentinel double initiator is very uncommon. find me 3 other teams that run that comp
did i argue for double senti specifically?? please attempt reading sometime this year
finnwithtwons [#14]did i argue for double senti specifically?? please attempt reading sometime this year
You listed an anomoly team running no duelist and being sucessful.
Sir_Johnny123 [#15]You listed an anomoly team running no duelist and being sucessful.
ok, evil geniuses run deadlock
tons of tier 2 teams are also playing no duelist
no duelist was even something teams such as nrg were playing before icebox got taken out(still an identical map with an added window btw)
it also doesnt matter what little qualifiers you put on it dawg you said "every good team" when YOUR VERY TEAM doesnt follow your dumbass statement and beat fnatic with it, by the way
like you're just wrong and still replying
finnwithtwons [#16]ok, evil geniuses run deadlock
tons of tier 2 teams are also playing no duelist
no duelist was even something teams such as nrg were playing before icebox got taken out(still an identical map with an added window btw)
it also doesnt matter what little qualifiers you put on it dawg you said "every good team" when YOUR VERY TEAM doesnt follow your dumbass statement and beat fnatic with it, by the way
like you're just wrong and still replying
No teams at madrid ran 0 duelist. Most commone was double Initiator than followed by double controller But guess what. They all ran a duelist.
teams that run double initiator are often taking out the duelist in exchange
That statement is just not true. 0 Duelist icebox since it been released is really uncommon.
"You're just wrong and still replying" Terrible and weak attempt to dismiss your wrong statement
vastiraa [#2]this is the same exact comp geng and sen played
doesn't mean its a perfect or ideal comp lol. i personally think harbor viper is the best but apparently no one besides tuyz can play harbor anymore
Sir_Johnny123 [#17]No teams at madrid ran 0 duelist. Most commone was double Initiator than followed by double controller But guess what. They all ran a duelist.
teams that run double initiator are often taking out the duelist in exchange
That statement is just not true. 0 Duelist icebox since it been released is really uncommon.
"You're just wrong and still replying" Terrible and weak attempt to dismiss your wrong statement
someone needs to come tell this heretics fan team heretics was at madrid
finnwithtwons [#19]someone needs to come tell this heretics fan team heretics was at madrid
Show me when they played icebox at madrid then????
Psion [#18]doesn't mean its a perfect or ideal comp lol. i personally think harbor viper is the best but apparently no one besides tuyz can play harbor anymore
forsakennnn
TheAceGamer30 [#13]Bait used to be believable
? in what way is my comment bait lmao the comp is designed to fight aggressively in pre-plant situations because their only plant util is wingman, but zeta used their util really poorly and took a ton of dry fights and struggled to get bomb down cleanly on A site, and did not have number advantage postplants, which should be the goal of the gekko/kayo/jett comp
i also think that the goal of the comp does not flow well with how icebox is structured - fighting aggressively in that way is risky and when you are zeta and seemingly can't use your util, the comp is even worse
i would so much rather see a harbor or a sova or a sage over one of kayo/jett both in general and based on how zeta played
icebox is the simplest map in the game theres honestly not that much room to fuck this up imo
Psion [#18]doesn't mean its a perfect or ideal comp lol. i personally think harbor viper is the best but apparently no one besides tuyz can play harbor anymore
exactly two good teams can run the comp and it can still be bad or not optimal
i beg to just see one more team run harbor gekko so they can actually plant top site instead of blindly sending lil bro to his death on the regular
Sir_Johnny123 [#20]Show me when they played icebox at madrid then????
"no teams that were at madrid ran a duelist on icebox" heretics played icebox two days ago and did not run a duelist
i know they werent there for long(neither were kc sadly) but heretics were in fact also at madrid!
Psion [#25]PRX hasn't played icebox since April last year lol
yea we lost to GE on it although we were kinnda comp testing
smthlikeyou11 [#26]yea we lost to GE on it although we were kinnda comp testing
yeah that was almost a year ago im not considering forsaken to play harbor on icebox if they haven't played it in a year lol
Psion [#18]doesn't mean its a perfect or ideal comp lol. i personally think harbor viper is the best but apparently no one besides tuyz can play harbor anymore
no1 said its perfect or ideal, its definitely not bad
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