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all those commenting him or her............... some places in the world dont recognize other genders, why is it so hard to respect their culture/religon?
They can choose to recognize u as a man or a woman, does not mean that they are transphobic.
transphobic definition: having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.
They never said anything about disliking flor, just that they dont recognize her gender
Why is this so hard for people to accept?
smthlikeyou11 [#7]all those commenting him or her............... some places in the world dont recognize other genders, why is it so hard to respect their culture/religon?
They can choose to recognize u as a man or a woman, does not mean that they are transphobic.
transphobic definition: having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.
They never said anything about disliking flor, just that they dont recognize her gender
Why is this so hard for people to accept?
Why is this so hard for people to accept?
or maybe people stop being hateful idiots and respect others
smthlikeyou11 [#7]all those commenting him or her............... some places in the world dont recognize other genders, why is it so hard to respect their culture/religon?
They can choose to recognize u as a man or a woman, does not mean that they are transphobic.
transphobic definition: having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.
They never said anything about disliking flor, just that they dont recognize her gender
Why is this so hard for people to accept?
personally, i only recognize the binary definition of gender. however, as other humans, i believe there's a level decent respect that we should show others. although i will never advocate for anything outside of the binary standard we've held for so long, i'll still call people by their preferred pronouns because it's not a trouble for me.
i'd probably end up avoiding that person because that's a trait i happen to dislike, but just because i happen to dislike, say extremely stupid people, doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to disrespect/put them down.
smthlikeyou11 [#7]all those commenting him or her............... some places in the world dont recognize other genders, why is it so hard to respect their culture/religon?
They can choose to recognize u as a man or a woman, does not mean that they are transphobic.
transphobic definition: having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.
They never said anything about disliking flor, just that they dont recognize her gender
Why is this so hard for people to accept?
This argument goes both ways though, except the people misgendering are the ones disrespecting someone's culture first
Triibal [#8]Why is this so hard for people to accept?
or maybe people stop being hateful idiots and respect others
"hateful idiots" so if a person is not willing to compromise their own worldview they become hateful idiots???????
respect others: others should also respect a person's right to recognize or not recognize something especially if it has to do with their culture/personal reasons
TSMC [#9]personally, i only recognize the binary definition of gender. however, as other humans, i believe there's a level decent respect that we should show others. although i will never advocate for anything outside of the binary standard we've held for so long, i'll still call people by their preferred pronouns because it's not a trouble for me.
i'd probably end up avoiding that person because that's a trait i happen to dislike, but just because i happen to dislike, say extremely stupid people, doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to disrespect/put them down.
this.
although u cant go around pleasing everyone you see
Conceit [#10]This argument goes both ways though, except the people misgendering are the ones disrespecting someone's culture first
yes this argument does go both ways.
however, its not the people "misgendering" that are the ones disrespecting someone's culture first, at the equal and same time you also compromise your own culture and beliefs, because they are forcing u to adhere to their traditions.
the best way is to not argue and just stick to your own preferred pronouns of the other person, granted its not something disrespectful (calling someone's assigned sex at birth is not respectful)
gender dysmorphia or whatever its called is a mental condition anyways, so no I wont go around encouraging them.
That's just me tho, I'm not forcing any one of you to copy what I do or whatever, just to respect each other's mutal worldviews and coexist in peace.
smthlikeyou11 [#15]yes this argument does go both ways.
however, its not the people "misgendering" that are the ones disrespecting someone's culture first, at the equal and same time you also compromise your own culture and beliefs, because they are forcing u to adhere to their traditions.
the best way is to not argue and just stick to your own preferred pronouns of the other person, granted its not something disrespectful (calling someone's assigned sex at birth is not respectful)
gender dysmorphia or whatever its called is a mental condition anyways, so no I wont go around encouraging them.
That's just me tho, I'm not forcing any one of you to copy what I do or whatever, just to respect each other's mutal worldviews and coexist in peace.
I agree with most of what you're saying, in my opinion, in general it's just the nice thing to do to refer to someone by their preferred pronouns if you know them, and if you don't do it you're (most of the time) just being an asshole. If you do it by accident, no big deal, nobody actually cares unless you double down cause then you're being rude. Also, as you said it is a mental condition, so purposefully disrespecting someone with a mental condition just because you don't believe them I guess(? I might be straw manning so feel free to correct me) is a bit odd no?
This though really bugs me kinda? The "so no I wont go around encouraging them", you don't need to "encourage" them, that's not really what most people are asking for. Really you just need to accept them and respect how they feel about themselves. That's what has been shown in plenty of studies to be the best way of treatment for them, along with gender conforming care.
I also don't really think using the culture argument as a shield is a very good tactic. There are plenty of cultures throughout history that had views that most would now consider incorrect (slavery and racism being easy examples).
Again though, I agree to live and let live, you're not that bad and I have nothing against you. I just deal with this a lot and have trans friends and the such so I have a lot of opinions :3
smthlikeyou11 [#7]all those commenting him or her............... some places in the world dont recognize other genders, why is it so hard to respect their culture/religon?
They can choose to recognize u as a man or a woman, does not mean that they are transphobic.
transphobic definition: having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.
They never said anything about disliking flor, just that they dont recognize her gender
Why is this so hard for people to accept?
cultural relativism is a really slippery slope.
i dont accept you as a human
you do not get equal rights as a human
its part of my culture so you must accept it
Conceit [#16]I agree with most of what you're saying, in my opinion, in general it's just the nice thing to do to refer to someone by their preferred pronouns if you know them, and if you don't do it you're (most of the time) just being an asshole. If you do it by accident, no big deal, nobody actually cares unless you double down cause then you're being rude. Also, as you said it is a mental condition, so purposefully disrespecting someone with a mental condition just because you don't believe them I guess(? I might be straw manning so feel free to correct me) is a bit odd no?
This though really bugs me kinda? The "so no I wont go around encouraging them", you don't need to "encourage" them, that's not really what most people are asking for. Really you just need to accept them and respect how they feel about themselves. That's what has been shown in plenty of studies to be the best way of treatment for them, along with gender conforming care.
I also don't really think using the culture argument as a shield is a very good tactic. There are plenty of cultures throughout history that had views that most would now consider incorrect (slavery and racism being easy examples).
Again though, I agree to live and let live, you're not that bad and I have nothing against you. I just deal with this a lot and have trans friends and the such so I have a lot of opinions :3
respect how they feel about themselves: I WOULD if it werent for the fact that its a medical condition and that what they feel about themselves isnt right and should be corrected.
I ma not disrespecting them by calling them by their biological sex, thats just how humans were created to be and meant to be. If I all of a sudden feel that im trapped in the wrong body and felt i should be created as a 8'6 monster, or all of a sudden I just feel like im a 90 year old hispanic dude, would you respect my pronouns that I desire u to call me? Would u not think I have some sort of medical condition?
As for the culture shield thing that also goes both ways. How do you know that this LGBT culture isnt the one that is incorrect?
A bit of a bizzare example (to u guys but to some people its just as bizzare as demanding pronouns) if my pronouns go by 2342352432423 or awdjawdjaowjdoj and u HAD to call me that because I feel connected to it, and if u didnt that would be extremely disrespectful to me and transphobic, how would u think of this? to me its the same as demanding people to call people by their pronouns.
j3bx5597 [#17]cultural relativism is a really slippery slope.
i dont accept you as a human
you do not get equal rights as a human
its part of my culture so you must accept it
thats how it is in NK, thats why this subject is sensitive to deal with
TSMC [#9]personally, i only recognize the binary definition of gender. however, as other humans, i believe there's a level decent respect that we should show others. although i will never advocate for anything outside of the binary standard we've held for so long, i'll still call people by their preferred pronouns because it's not a trouble for me.
i'd probably end up avoiding that person because that's a trait i happen to dislike, but just because i happen to dislike, say extremely stupid people, doesn't mean i'll go out of my way to disrespect/put them down.
Ironically enough most people who use different pronouns don’t care as long as ur not being a dick head on purpose
yaiima0 [#20]Ironically enough most people who use different pronouns don’t care as long as ur not being a dick head on purpose
this is just not true at all try calling clove a she and see how many people correct you
smthlikeyou11 [#21]this is just not true at all try calling clove a she and see how many people correct you
Most people don't care if you accidentally refer to clove as she, the reason most people correct it is if you're doing it on purpose.
froggy_lol [#22]Most people don't care if you accidentally refer to clove as she, the reason most people correct it is if you're doing it on purpose.
how do u assume if someones doing it on purpose or not?
By judging them based on how they sound act etc
so u dont really know if theyre doing it on purpose, ur just judging them and steryotyping them.
smthlikeyou11 [#23]how do u assume if someones doing it on purpose or not?
By judging them based on how they sound act etc
so u dont really know if theyre doing it on purpose, ur just judging them and steryotyping them.
If they continue to do it after the correction.
froggy_lol [#24]If they continue to do it after the correction.
which would mean that u corrected them the first time, which means u cared.
smthlikeyou11 [#25]which would mean that u corrected them the first time, which means u cared.
There is a major difference between respectfully correcting someone and stating that someone is transphobic. I feel like a respectful correction is usually followed by one of two things, either the person says they didn’t know or they double down. If the person says they didn’t know, then most people don’t care. If the person doubles down, then people care.
froggy_lol [#26]There is a major difference between respectfully correcting someone and stating that someone is transphobic. I feel like a respectful correction is usually followed by one of two things, either the person says they didn’t know or they double down. If the person says they didn’t know, then most people don’t care. If the person doubles down, then people care.
ok that logic makes sense but why care about what pronouns u call a fictional character lol just play the game and not make the topic of discussion about what pronouns ppl call them.
smthlikeyou11 [#7]all those commenting him or her............... some places in the world dont recognize other genders, why is it so hard to respect their culture/religon?
They can choose to recognize u as a man or a woman, does not mean that they are transphobic.
transphobic definition: having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.
They never said anything about disliking flor, just that they dont recognize her gender
Why is this so hard for people to accept?
How would you know what "culture/religion" someone is? Do you go around taking note of everyone's ethnicity? Are you even the real something? You could be a Jewish neo-nazi for all I know.
smthlikeyou11 [#27]ok that logic makes sense but why care about what pronouns u call a fictional character lol just play the game and not make the topic of discussion about what pronouns ppl call them.
I agree that correcting pronoun usage in-game is a waste of time. However, I believe having these discussions outside of the game can be beneficial to educate those debating the gender of Clove, and can lead to positivity outside of the game.
smthlikeyou11 [#21]this is just not true at all try calling clove a she and see how many people correct you
Those people generally do it on purpose to be dicks
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