i think he is because i dont wanna say d0rke or yay
chronicle still good tho, it can be him
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is tenz the goat?
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paulinmagic [#4]GOAT OF WHAT?????
are you still in 2021?
my bro was frozen for like 2 years, then he wins something and all of a sudden hes the goat
damn
the games only been out for like 4 years and he was the best player for two of those lol
cboomer [#6]the games only been out for like 4 years and he was the best player for two of those lol
2024 is not over yet, how can you say that?
paulinmagic [#4]GOAT OF WHAT?????
are you still in 2021?
my bro was frozen for like 2 years, then he wins something and all of a sudden hes the goat
damn
but the fact he came back proves he does have longevity, unlike yay (for example) who was only good from mid 2021 to 2022.
tenz also has the high peak necessary
cboomer [#9]2020, 2021
there weren't any internacional tournaments in 2020
plus, he was playing against milkmen.
Alexsei [#7]you cant be the goat when you have good performance at farmers event then go missing for 2 years, come back and play good for 1 event.
well ur russian so you might say chronicle, i think thats very fair cause hes won the most in valorant. also has the longevity cause he was very good at kickoff despite d0rke selling him
paulinmagic [#11]there weren't any internacional tournaments in 2020
plus, he was playing against milkmen.
no valorant scene developed really fast lol there was the entire NA t2/3 CS scene within a few months lmfao
its not like he had an unfair advantage
cboomer [#13]no valorant scene developed really fast lol there was the entire NA t2/3 CS scene within a few months lmfao
its not like he had an unfair advantage
INTERNACIONAL EVENTS BRO.
how can he be the goat of 2020 if there was no one to compete against?(internacionally)
SquareMars [#2]no, but close
all these dumbass takes below
2 championships are still 2 championships
4 total events holds him back tho
Only people I'd put above are Derke and Chronicle (Maybe Aspas)
Asuna_Yuuki [#16]No
It is Saadhak and it isn’t even debatable
Yeah I guess you are delusional holy fuck
paulinmagic [#14]INTERNACIONAL EVENTS BRO.
how can he be the goat of 2020 if there was no one to compete against?(internacionally)
wym nobody to compete against na was closer to sentinels than the rest of the world was lol
SquareMars [#18]Yeah I guess you are delusional holy fuck
Bro name one player with the same amount of consistency and top placements as him
GOAT rewards consistency
Just because TenZ won 2 tournaments and hasn’t done anything else doesn’t make him the GOAT
This is objective analysis
Asuna_Yuuki [#20]Bro name one player with the same amount of consistency and top placements as him
GOAT rewards consistency
Just because TenZ won 2 tournaments and hasn’t done anything else doesn’t make him the GOAT
This is objective analysis
Didn't say Tenz was the goat
Derke has done more than Saadhak
SquareMars [#18]Yeah I guess you are delusional holy fuck
saadhak is the clear #1 what are u even on about
plenty of places and reasons to call him #1 and this is NOT one of them
SquareMars [#21]Didn't say Tenz was the goat
Derke has done more than Saadhak
bro said d0rke I'm dead😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
kanyefan4238173 [#10]but the fact he came back proves he does have longevity, unlike yay (for example) who was only good from mid 2021 to 2022.
tenz also has the high peak necessary
This is such a weird argument, cause I mean it's not like y0y can't come back. Would he then be the goat? Realistically the goat has to be someone consistent and amazing. And frankly, neither have proven they are consistent yet.
SquareMars [#21]Didn't say Tenz was the goat
Derke has done more than Saadhak
Imo saadhak clears just because of the many iterations of rosters he has done it with
Multiple top 4 finishes with 3 different iterations of LOUD
Derke only found success with the FNC superteam
I know FOR A FACT that saadhak is the reason behind LOUD’s success but I can’t say the same about Derke for FNC
SquareMars [#21]Didn't say Tenz was the goat
Derke has done more than Saadhak
derke has
- 1 less event apperearance
- 1 more playoff apperance
- 1 less podium finish
- 1 more event win
- no championships
- no igling ability (compared to the greatest igl in terms of calling and everything like that, invented viper harbor meta and got top 4 ITW with the phoenix comp)
explain where the fuck derke has done more
Asuna_Yuuki [#26]Imo saadhak clears just because of the many iterations of rosters he has done it with
Multiple top 4 finishes with 3 different iterations of LOUD
Derke only found success with the FNC superteam
I know FOR A FACT that saadhak is the reason behind LOUD’s success but I can’t say the same about Derke for FNC
bro why is he choosing to argue with you on THIS of everything. you have so many delusional takes the 1 time u talk some sense this happens though lmao
Asuna_Yuuki [#26]Imo saadhak clears just because of the many iterations of rosters he has done it with
Multiple top 4 finishes with 3 different iterations of LOUD
Derke only found success with the FNC superteam
I know FOR A FACT that saadhak is the reason behind LOUD’s success but I can’t say the same about Derke for FNC
Derke made many international events with different rosters in FNC, almost winning the first masters with them.
Only thing though is that Saadhak isn't carrying these games, it's Aspas and Less mainly.
Not saying he isn't in the running, which I fs think he is and COULD be one day, I just think he's been carried too much and Derke carried FNC to those lans.
Psion [#28]bro why is he choosing to argue with you on THIS of everything. you have so many delusional takes the 1 time u talk some sense this happens though lmao
My takes are very sensible wdym
SquareMars [#29]Derke made many international events with different rosters in FNC, almost winning the first masters with them.
Only thing though is that Saadhak isn't carrying these games, it's Aspas and Less mainly.
Not saying he isn't in the running, which I fs think he is and COULD be one day, I just think he's been carried too much and Derke carried FNC to those lans.
bro what? derke was no where close to winning champions 2021.....
Psion [#27]derke has
- 1 less event apperearance
- 1 more playoff apperance
- 1 less podium finish
- 1 more event win
- no championships
- no igling ability (compared to the greatest igl in terms of calling and everything like that, invented viper harbor meta and got top 4 ITW with the phoenix comp)
explain where the fuck derke has done more
No championships is not relavent, I'd argue that Champions is easier to win in than Masters because a third of the teams are from LCQ and don't even belong there.
Podium finishing really doesn't matter, I guarantee you no one is sitting there saying "If only he placed one spot higher he'd be good"
Igling ability is subjective, different people have different roles. I could argue that Saadhak can entry on the same level as Derke.
Psion [#31]bro what? derke was no where close to winning champions 2021.....
Masters 1 Iceland, I edited my original post for clarity
SquareMars [#34]Masters 1 Iceland, I edited my original post for clarity
championship- a contest for the position of champion in a sport, often involving a series of games or matches.
the champions of 2021 were acend, not SEN, not GMB
LMAO crazy u edited both posts awww
Psion [#35]championship- a contest for the position of champion in a sport, often involving a series of games or matches.
the champions of 2021 were acend, not SEN, not GMB
LMAO crazy u edited both posts awww
my brother in christ winning masters is prob harder than winning champions
SquareMars [#37]my brother in christ winning masters is prob harder than winning champions
this is just delusion
SquareMars [#33]No championships is not relavent, I'd argue that Champions is easier to win in than Masters because a third of the teams are from LCQ and don't even belong there.
Podium finishing really doesn't matter, I guarantee you no one is sitting there saying "If only he placed one spot higher he'd be good"
Igling ability is subjective, different people have different roles. I could argue that Saadhak can entry on the same level as Derke.
Derke never being a champion not mattering is crazy, if you choke at the final hurdle in the biggest tournaments (like Derke did in 2021, 2022, and 2023)
- 2021 map 3 vs KRU
https://www.vlr.gg/51293/fnatic-vs-kr-esports-valorant-champions-qf/?game=57974&tab=overview - 2022 map 3 vs DRX
https://www.vlr.gg/130689/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2022-lr2/?game=95147&tab=overview - 2023 map 3 vs LOUD
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3/?game=137658&tab=overview
IT HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING
igling is its own thing, seperate from things like entrying and anchoring idk why you are comparing them. IGLing is leading a team, saadhak is the smartest player in valorant's history and it shows in his igling
Psion [#41]Derke never being a champion not mattering is crazy, if you choke at the final hurdle in the biggest tournaments (like Derke did in 2021, 2022, and 2023)
- 2021 map 3 vs KRU
https://www.vlr.gg/51293/fnatic-vs-kr-esports-valorant-champions-qf/?game=57974&tab=overview- 2022 map 3 vs DRX
https://www.vlr.gg/130689/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2022-lr2/?game=95147&tab=overview- 2023 map 3 vs LOUD
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3/?game=137658&tab=overview
IT HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING
igling is its own thing, seperate from things like entrying and anchoring idk why you are comparing them. IGLing is leading a team, saadhak is the smartest player in valorant's history and it shows in his igling
like i said in another thread that you are brainlessly arguing with me in, champions is easier to win in than Masters, the size of the bracket doesn't matter
Asuna_Yuuki [#36]They really are
Its just that a lot of you guys hate NRG
bro i remembering you saying YAY was gonna be great on either C9 or disguised i forget which, there is at least some delusion in there (same with me and FUT in 2021)
SquareMars [#42]like i said in another thread that you are brainlessly arguing with me in, champions is easier to win in than Masters, the size of the bracket doesn't matter
you have said NOTHING to support the idea of champs being easier to win. either way you have to beat everybody to win(and LCQ teams have gotten top 4 at international events before too) and there is MORE pressure at champs
Psion [#43]bro i remembering you saying YAY was gonna be great on either C9 or disguised i forget which, there is at least some delusion in there (same with me and FUT in 2021)
I dont remember but even if I said that it was a completely reasonable take
In hindsight, he was bad, but based on the information we had on yay up until that point also considering the fact that he dominated 2022, it was not a bad take
Just because a take was wrong doesn’t mean it was necessarily bad for its time.
It was wrong, but perfectly reasonable with the info available at that point
Asuna_Yuuki [#46]I dont remember but even if I said that it was a completely reasonable take
In hindsight, he was bad, but based on the information we had on yay up until that point also considering the fact that he dominated 2022, it was not a bad take
Just because a take was wrong doesn’t mean it was necessarily bad for its time.
It was wrong, but perfectly reasonable with the info available at that point
by c9 or diguised i meant after lock\in and i forget if yay was alr dropped from C9 and picked up by DSG or not and you could tell from lock\in he was bad
Psion [#44]you have said NOTHING to support the idea of champs being easier to win. either way you have to beat everybody to win(and LCQ teams have gotten top 4 at international events before too) and there is MORE pressure at champs
There is not as much pressure when I'm playing against Poverty franchise Kru and Fut in the first round of a tournament versus prime FNC at Tokyo. Most of the round 1 games at Champions are heavy favorites and no good games to watch.
If I get a horrid group like FNC did in 2023 It's basically a bye round into a top 8 bracket anyway, and they got so much time off for beating Zeta and BiliBili. While other teams had to play way more games to stay alive while they were learning from them. If I'm EDG or DRX in Champions I'm having to pull out every strat I have to make it out while FNC basically get a bye
SquareMars [#48]There is not as much pressure when I'm playing against Poverty franchise Kru and Fut in the first round of a tournament versus prime FNC at Tokyo. Most of the round 1 games at Champions are heavy favorites and no good games to watch.
If I get a horrid group like FNC did in 2023 It's basically a bye round into a top 8 bracket anyway, and they got so much time off for beating Zeta and BiliBili. While other teams had to play way more games to stay alive while they were learning from them. If I'm EDG or DRX in Champions I'm having to pull out every strat I have to make it out while FNC basically get a bye
crazy how there is not as much pressure but derke has choked in map 3 of an elimination game every single time.
historically you literally get a bye past groups if you are top seed in masters, meaning you only need to win 4 games to win the event (as compared to a minimum of 6 at champs for #1 seeds)
you can get a horrid group with 2 dominant teams in masters too such as:
Group A masters reykjavik 2022
group B masters copenhagen
Group B masters berlin
group C masters berlin
group D masters berlin
etc.
ps. KRU literally got farther at champs than FNC have ever gonna (tied for 3rd compared to 4th)
Psion [#49]crazy how there is not as much pressure but derke has choked in map 3 of an elimination game every single time.
historically you literally get a bye past groups if you are top seed in masters, meaning you only need to win 4 games to win the event (as compared to a minimum of 6 at champs for #1 seeds)
you can get a horrid group with 2 dominant teams in masters too such as:
Group A masters reykjavik 2022
group B masters copenhagen
Group B masters berlin
group C masters berlin
group D masters berlin
etc.
ps. KRU literally got farther at champs than FNC have ever gonna (tied for 3rd compared to 4th)
I'm just gonna agree to disagree on this one I got better stuff to do.
You make some good points and are not entirely brainless.
Have a great night
SquareMars [#50]I'm just gonna agree to disagree on this one I got better stuff to do.
You make some good points and are not entirely brainless.
Have a great night
you also have a great night dude, group stages are a thing of the past anyway as riot is switching to swiss format permanently if they are smart
Psion [#51]you also have a great night dude, group stages are a thing of the past anyway as riot is switching to swiss format permanently if they are smart
honestly yeah swiss>Group stage imo
I just wish the kickoff playoffs were double elimination
have a great one
SquareMars [#53]honestly yeah swiss>Group stage imo
I just wish the kickoff playoffs were double elimination
have a great one
swiss>>>>> group stage. Champs with 16 teams should be win 3 games to make playoffs which is SUCH an upgrade over 2 games won
Chronicle disrespect is so annoying tbh
3 international titles
2 different teams
got cucked in 2022
Hardest role in the team
2nd best rated player at masters Berlin which they won
4th best rated players at champs 2021 (2nd place)
1.11 rating (300+ rounds) at lock-in which they won
3rd best rated at masters tokyo which they won
Lowest placement at an international tournament was 4th at champs in which he underperformed for the first time in his career
False narrative that he got carried in his title wins
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