Demon1 >= qck
Ethan < saadhak
Crashies < caunzin
Victor < less
Marved < tuyz
Peu >>>>> Chet 🐍
Ez loud 2-0
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let me correct you
DEMON1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qck
Hyssopus1 [#4]let me correct you
DEMON1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qck
I literally said demon1 >qck
Hyssopus1 [#4]let me correct you
DEMON1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qck
he's having an off time, they might be equal,
KATARINA EFFECT
n1zf [#10]he's having an off time, they might be equal,
KATARINA EFFECT
ngl this have some truth because last act demon1 finished ascendant, the guy won champions started dating and forgot about the game
Steelz [#9]demon1 jett >>> qck jett
victor raze >>> qck raze
crashies < cauanzin
marved <<< tuyz
ethan > saadhak (flex)
ethan << saadhak (igl)
victor <<< less
chet >>> peu
Don’t ever say the 🐍 is better coach
Steelz [#9]demon1 jett >>> qck jett
victor raze >>> qck raze
crashies < cauanzin
marved <<< tuyz
ethan > saadhak (flex)
ethan << saadhak (igl)
victor <<< less
chet >>> peu
W takes
anyth2ng [#6]"peu" is just an excuse of a coach tbf, saadhak is doing everything in that team, if they had a real coach they wouldnt have overcooked the way they did imo
is there anything that backs this or is this just speculation
TheAceGamer30 [#14]Don’t ever say the 🐍 is better coach
The coaches of LOUD allegedly don’t do that much saadhak is in pretty much full control
Steelz [#9]demon1 jett >>> qck jett
victor raze >>> qck raze
crashies < cauanzin
marved <<< tuyz
ethan > saadhak (flex)
ethan << saadhak (igl)
victor <<< less
chet >>> peu
demon1 jett > qck jett
victor raze <<< qck raze
crashies <<<< cauanzin
marved <<<<<<<<<< tuyz
ethan > saadhak (flex)
ethan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< saadhak (igl)
victor <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< less
chet < peu (dont forget chet lost to bilili)
douradoxp [#20]i know its a bait but i will say my opinion. i think loud has too much VODs, what makes nrg able to antistrat them hard. it will depends if loud will be in kickoff form or madrid playoffs form
it depends if loud will change their stuff after madrid, hopefully sadhack will be just a tad less crazy
TheAceGamer30 [#12]That’s cus there’s a chance qck will diff him like he did to aspas
gold 2 take braindamaged individual alert ❌❌❌
douradoxp [#20]i know its a bait but i will say my opinion. i think loud has too much VODs, what makes nrg able to antistrat them hard. it will depends if loud will be in kickoff form or madrid playoffs form
It's been a long time. They can change it up
valkin [#17]is there anything that backs this or is this just speculation
This is vlr, only speculation is allowed
valkin [#17]is there anything that backs this or is this just speculation
im just saying random shit
Asuna_Yuuki [#18]The coaches of LOUD allegedly don’t do that much saadhak is in pretty much full control
facts
HelVini [#19]demon1 jett > qck jett
victor raze <<< qck raze
crashies <<<< cauanzin
marved <<<<<<<<<< tuyz
ethan > saadhak (flex)
ethan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< saadhak (igl)
victor <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< less
chet < peu (dont forget chet lost to bilili)
raze do qck nao é melhor q a do vic
e o cauan é melhor q o crashies mas dps do q eu vi do cauan nesse masters só me confirma oq eu ja achava, ele é all aim no brain total
recursando por exemplo o crashies é melhor, o cauan só tem mais mira (oq é mais importante pq nao adianta recursar bem e tomar todas as decisoes corretas mas nao ganhar a troca de frente quando precisa)
Demon1 >= qck (Demon1 is more mechanically skilled, but qck is also a crack aimer and has a better duelist map pool)
Victor <<<<<<<<<<<Less ( If you argue this, no one is gonna take you seriously anymore)
Crashies =< Cauanzin (I really dont know who is better, but based of current form its cauanzin)
Ethan > saadhak (as an initiator)
Ethan <<<<< Saadhak (as an igl, saadhak clears Ethan by miles)
Marved = Tuyz (All time marved is better, but tuyz is putting up better numbers currently)
Chet >> Peu (More titles + coaching experience and success)
Steelz [#32]raze do qck nao é melhor q a do vic
e o cauan é melhor q o crashies mas dps do q eu vi do cauan nesse masters só me confirma oq eu ja achava, ele é all aim no brain total
recursando por exemplo o crashies é melhor, o cauan só tem mais mira (oq é mais importante pq nao adianta recursar bem e tomar todas as decisoes corretas mas nao ganhar a troca de frente quando precisa)
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victor é muito 8 ou 80 de raze tem partida que ele é um bot e tem outras que ele amassa o qck é mais consistente então ponto pra ele
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cauan nesse masters realmente entregou algumas situações principlamente na sunset contra a sentinels, mas acho que foi um erro pontual, tanto que um elogio comum a ele desde a época da nip é que ele sempre foi um jogador "adulto", e o crashies era muito bom em 2022 mas tem caido muito em performance, mas talvez isso tenha sido culpa do ardiis a nrg jogou pouco esse ano ainda tá dificil de saber
Senfanboy [#33]Demon1 >= qck (Demon1 is more mechanically skilled, but qck is also a crack aimer and has a better duelist map pool)
Victor <<<<<<<<<<<Less ( If you argue this, no one is gonna take you seriously anymore)
Crashies =< Cauanzin (I really dont know who is better, but based of current form its cauanzin)
Ethan > saadhak (as an initiator)
Ethan <<<<< Saadhak (as an igl, saadhak clears Ethan by miles)
Marved = Tuyz (All time marved is better, but tuyz is putting up better numbers currently)Chet >> Peu (More titles + coaching experience and success)
Judging players based of kickoff is the literal most brain dead thing to do. Don't get me wrong even in general Loud players still clears us lol
0fcuZ [#35]Judging players based of kickoff is the literal most brain dead thing to do. Don't get me wrong even in general Loud players still clears us lol
I mean half the team has only played after like 3 months, so there's that
HelVini [#34]
victor é muito 8 ou 80 de raze tem partida que ele é um bot e tem outras que ele amassa o qck é mais consistente então ponto pra ele
cauan nesse masters realmente entregou algumas situações principlamente na sunset contra a sentinels, mas acho que foi um erro pontual, tanto que um elogio comum a ele desde a época da nip é que ele sempre foi um jogador "adulto", e o crashies era muito bom em 2022 mas tem caido muito em performance, mas talvez isso tenha sido culpa do ardiis a nrg jogou pouco esse ano ainda tá dificil de saber
krl, como eu vejo o msm cenario q vc e nao consegui concordar com nada
primeiro, qck e consistente na msm frase nao combina, ele sempre foi TOTALMENTE INCONSISTENTE, totalmente, desde team one de duelista, furia de duelista, furia de flex, furia de sentinela e furia de chamber/ duelista (sim ele foi duelista nessa epoca pq foi o player q mais jogou mapas de duelista no ano, mais mapas q o mazin) na loud agora ele teve a estreia boa pra 3 games voltando a ser totalmente mediano e continuou inconstante e dando over na estreia de madrid e dando over em diversas situações q a torcida nao pegou mt no pé por causa da vitoria, contra edg e sen ele jogou bem MAS voltou a ser inconstante como sempre contra prx (msm com a entregada do 4x1 eu ainda acho q a loud nao ganharia aquele mapa pq a sunset da prx era melhor) e la ele ficou 2/7 de fk fd, simplesmente nao conseguiu jogar o jogo
o cauan nunca foi esse player adulto q falam, alias as maiores entregadas da loud foram com ele protagonizando (logico q teve momentos q ele salvou como no clutch contra nrg mas ele tem mais casos de indisciplina do q heroismo) por exemplo no 2x1 da icebox contra fnatic ele trocando tiro solo contra o derke, ele puxando a faca fazendo o lurker e morrendo pro alfa, na eliminação pra eg no champions ele tomar +17 contra o demon sendo o iniciador do time e quem deveria ser mais proximo de anular ele no jogo com as skills (mas ele nunca recursou bem e nao vem mostrando isso nessa nova loud)
valkin [#17]is there anything that backs this or is this just speculation
Peu interview, saadhak vlog, loud vlog all confirm this. Although he exaggerated a little its still true, saadhak makes the decisions in that team and even peu ( the head coach ) himself said he tried to deny this new comp saadhak cooked but saadhak just went through with it lol
0fcuZ [#30]I ma give you humble take
Demon1 >>> qck
Ethan === saadhak
Crashies <<< cauanzin
Victor <<< Less
Marved <<< Tuyz
Chet >>> ??
Actually based
justo [#37]NRGs issue is approach to maps rather than players. If they figure out what to do with Demon1 and Victor on those maps they are not good at, then I could see them be back to at least top 3. Loud might lose that first matchup because there is so much tape on them
That’s what they said about sen against NRG this narrative needs to stop lol
TheAceGamer30 [#12]That’s cus there’s a chance qck will diff him like he did to aspas
Each bad take you make sets Sentinels fans back for decades. I'm convinced ur a big part of why Sen fans have such bad rep 😭😭
Hades_Loves_Rb [#27]W id just change demon1<qck but other than that perfect list
NRG fans will get mad if that happens
AlexSMTxx [#43]Each bad take you make sets Sentinels fans back for decades. I'm convinced ur a big part of why Sen fans have such bad rep 😭😭
lmao 😂 , come back when qck diffs aspas again
TheAceGamer30 [#5]I literally said demon1 >qck
demon1 is definitely > not >= because qck is inconsistent but he's diffed or done better than zekken in 2/3 matches between SEN and LOUD
TheAceGamer30 [#42]That’s what they said about sen against NRG this narrative needs to stop lol
Which narrative? With Loud having a chance to lose to NRG because they can study LOUDs approach? it is true and it is a real disadvantage to teams when they have so much info about them out there. SEN beat NRG because they had many more ideas then what they showed and they had fantastic individual performances. The narrative of preparation exists in all team-related competition because it is crucial to winning. Its why coaches get so little sleep during these tight tournaments as they have preparation processes important for teams winning
justo [#48]Which narrative? With Loud having a chance to lose to NRG because they can study LOUDs approach? it is true and it is a real disadvantage to teams when they have so much info about them out there. SEN beat NRG because they had many more ideas then what they showed and they had fantastic individual performances. The narrative of preparation exists in all team-related competition because it is crucial to winning. Its why coaches get so little sleep during these tight tournaments as they have preparation processes important for teams winning
Although it’s possible I don’t think NRG will do it
TheAceGamer30 [#15]qck has the potential diff him like zekken did
and an ant has the potential to kill a gorilla but we dont say gorilla >= ant in a fight do we
finnwithtwons [#52]and an ant has the potential to kill a gorilla but we dont say gorilla >= ant in a fight do we
what sort of comparison is this
TheAceGamer30 [#53]what sort of comparison is this
its incredibly obvious to literally everyone reading it but you
finnwithtwons [#54]its incredibly obvious to literally everyone reading it but you
qck to demon1 is not that comparison what?
loloscum [#39]Peu interview, saadhak vlog, loud vlog all confirm this. Although he exaggerated a little its still true, saadhak makes the decisions in that team and even peu ( the head coach ) himself said he tried to deny this new comp saadhak cooked but saadhak just went through with it lol
thats crazy LMAO
valkin [#57]thats crazy LMAO
Atp i think loud has a coach because they would look bad if they didnt lmao dude doesnt even do anything
justo [#37]NRGs issue is approach to maps rather than players. If they figure out what to do with Demon1 and Victor on those maps they are not good at, then I could see them be back to at least top 3. Loud might lose that first matchup because there is so much tape on them
if this is about kickoff, LOUD PLAYED 3 MAPS BEFORE THE MATCH VS EG WHAT TAPE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
if this isn't. ITS SAADHAK HE WILL INVENT NEW SHIT
loloscum [#59]Atp i think loud has a coach because they would look bad if they didnt lmao dude doesnt even do anything
stk does help them with VOD analysis and shit, not sure what the fuck peu does though
Psion [#60]if this is about kickoff, LOUD PLAYED 3 MAPS BEFORE THE MATCH VS EG WHAT TAPE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
if this isn't. ITS SAADHAK HE WILL INVENT NEW SHIT
I mean EG killed their ascent comp and so have others. Saadack did amazing to anti strat EGs Sunset and their Icebox using the tape from EGs group games. The argument is that its a battle of preparation and if there is a lot of tape and the team doesnt keep coming up with new ideas they put themselves at a disadvantage. This is the issue FNC had where they have been doing the same boring stuff from last year and they got stomped by a well prepared team
Hyssopus1 [#11]ngl this have some truth because last act demon1 finished ascendant, the guy won champions started dating and forgot about the game
He doesn't play ranked that much , but yah his gameplay when he streamed was kinda shit NGL, not even the shell of that guy i supported in 2023. Maybe he is having an off time , he'll probably bounce back
justo [#62]I mean EG killed their ascent comp and so have others. Saadack did amazing to anti strat EGs Sunset and their Icebox using the tape from EGs group games. The argument is that its a battle of preparation and if there is a lot of tape and the team doesnt keep coming up with new ideas they put themselves at a disadvantage. This is the issue FNC had where they have been doing the same boring stuff from last year and they got stomped by a well prepared team
bro you can't just beat a team by anti strats when you have only seen 3 maps though, because via simple logic you can't play 2 of those maps if they are that anti-strattable (ban map 1 of 3, pick map 2 of 3, ban map 3 of 3)
Hyssopus1 [#11]ngl this have some truth because last act demon1 finished ascendant, the guy won champions started dating and forgot about the game
Demon1 was never a ranked player
Even on EG
Psion [#65]bro you can't just beat a team by anti strats when you have only seen 3 maps though, because via simple logic you can't play 2 of those maps if they are that anti-strattable (ban map 1 of 3, pick map 2 of 3, ban map 3 of 3)
That’s true if you read my messages in this thread you would know I never said full anti strat. Teams continue to win on their good maps because they fix their problems and create new setups. Anti strat is only a problem if you have blind confidence in a comp like Loud did on Ascent against EG causing them to not plan as much to counter potential anti strating like the double Odin or if you have shown everything you can think of like SEN did which caused the loses on Split against PRX and GenG
justo [#67]That’s true if you read my messages in this thread you would know I never said full anti strat. Teams continue to win on their good maps because they fix their problems and create new setups. Anti strat is only a problem if you have blind confidence in a comp like Loud did on Ascent against EG causing them to not plan as much to counter potential anti strating like the double Odin or if you have shown everything you can think of like SEN did which caused the loses on Split against PRX and GenG
only potter would come up with the double odin strat lets be honest
Psion [#68]only potter would come up with the double odin strat lets be honest
I mean no if you watched any of the analysis content guys, I forget which one was saying pre map on the day that he hopes they go with double Odin. It was either sliggy or tmv. If they can come up with it, other coaches can
0fcuZ [#30]I ma give you humble take
Demon1 >>> qck
Ethan === saadhak
Crashies <<< cauanzin
Victor <<< Less
Marved <<< Tuyz
Chet >>> ??
saadhak igl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ethan igl
right?
anyth2ng [#61]stk does help them with VOD analysis and shit, not sure what the fuck peu does though
presses the timeout button when told
tamamamamamduacs [#71]saadhak igl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ethan igl
right?
Flash initiator*
loloscum [#39]Peu interview, saadhak vlog, loud vlog all confirm this. Although he exaggerated a little its still true, saadhak makes the decisions in that team and even peu ( the head coach ) himself said he tried to deny this new comp saadhak cooked but saadhak just went through with it lol
wait out of curiosity, was frod the same way?
valkin [#76]wait out of curiosity, was frod the same way?
I dont think so. Frod was hired because he was giving 'tips' to loud when he wasnt their coach and it seemed to help loud a lot, i think they actually cared about his opinions and vision
valkin [#76]wait out of curiosity, was frod the same way?
not at all, frod was an actual coach and not just some fodder
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