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#27
endless1
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alecks - hasn't done shit w prx in how many years?
solo - you're basing it off one event?
frod - what has frod done w loud exactly? got carried by aspas and saadhak
chet - had a superteam roster last year and done shit w them, outplayed by blibli?
zikz - not even gonna comment on this one
mce - he's such a great coach, thats why hes on a literal uni team rn

idk if you actually believe what u said but damn youre delulu

#28
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What has ENGHHH done after 2021?

Pretty much nothing

All of the other players I’ve mentioned have actually had successful teams and done good things in the modern VALORANT era

Every coach I mentioned is much better

Enghhh did good in one event since 2021 and got exposed at Masters and now people think he is all that?

You can’t be serious

#31
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zikz had achievements bc of potter, frod got carried by saadhak and aspas, alecks didnt win shit except being 2nd or 3rd, chet hasnt won shit after 2022 so i assume hes shit too?, what success did mce have? solo coached one event?

engh scouted a whole tier2 team and made them competitive? if you think being competitive with prx and sen w a literal tier2 team, that ppl expected to be bottom of emea is exposed, idek what to tell you

#32
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The rest of consistent placements

Winning isn’t everything, placing consistently is good.

Most of the coaches I’ve mentioned have coached top teams for the past few years

And you are giving ENGHHH too much credit for scouting

He said in an interview that while he did have a say in KC’s rosters, it was actually management and rest of staff at KC that helped build the team

#33
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where did mce, solo, frod with mibr, place consistently? not even counting zikz placements as an AC

#36
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Frod was very good with LOUD last year and exceeded expectations with MIBR

Solo has done insane work transforming this GEN G team, much better than ENGHHH with KC

MCE has coached many top teams with good placements such as GUARD and c9

ENGHHH hasn’t done anything for past 3 years, comes back wins kick off but loses on LAN getting exposing their region as weak.

Everyone else I mentioned has actually been consistently good and didn’t find all of their success in 2021.

#39
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how is gen.g's transition better than kc's?

mce only coached tgrd and c9 and hasn't done shit w either of them apart from the qualification to masters?

frod exceeded what expectations exactly? beating a fraudulent c9 team?

you cant be serious

#35
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I agree with u that enghh is the goat but to say he scouted them was disingenuous, all 3 of the T2 players he got were all already well known talent; marteen was literally the only good player on his team and the only reason they reached ascension; N4RRATE was an insane entry fragger and was getting trialed by NRG and G2; Tomaszy is the greatest portuguese player to touch this game. If anything his greatest achievement with this roster is making magnum an actually insanely well thought out IGL.

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there's a lot more to it than just being a known talent, marteen destroyed italy's challenger league, yes but so did other people like wackie, whos still stuck in tier2. n4rrate was known yes, ill give you that. tomaszy being the greatest portuguese player is kinda yap, everyone on saw was great, including fizzy. but even then, making a duelist player completely take on another role as tomaszy did, engh and magnum did a great job, no?

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Again, I want to say I agree, if KC keep performing how they have, enghh is probably going to be the greatest coach to touch this game unless potter/alecks or kaplan (would need to win multiple events and place high in champs but even then I would probably give credit to JohnQT) can pull something (I don't say chet because pretty much every team hes joined or been on has what are considered the best players in NA), but I think that you misunderstand how much T2 duelist -> another role has happened. Mako, TenZ, demon1, Jawgemo, Tuyz, Less (short time period), Asuna, Zellsis, Life, Bang, Boostio, Cryo, Zyppan, Ardiis, Starxo, Sheydos, Jampii, Sayf, and Trexx are only some of the examples of this trend. I genuinely think that enghh probably had it a lot easier with the 3 rookies than it was to make magnum successful within his system. If N4RRATE, Tomaszy or Marteen did not get picked up by Karmine Corp, I guarantee they would have been picked up. Tomaszy was also definitely the best portuguese player, I do not think that is debatable lmao, he is an incredible player.

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