What makes him so good?
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Why is zekken so good
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skibidiyesyes [#4]He's just a great overall player, not much to say and I don't think he possesses any specific talent that makes him standout like how Alfajer and Demon1 were dominant in duels last year, which in itself can be seen as a good thing because that makes him more well rounded.
thats what makes sentinels so good, no is specifically a standout player but they are all good, no one plays bad
ckzera [#5]thats what makes sentinels so good, no is specifically a standout player but they are all good, no one plays bad
it also makes them kinda weak.
Its hard to win a tournament without a superstar.
LouBag [#6]it also makes them kinda weak.
Its hard to win a tournament without a superstar.
i mean zekken is the best player in NA, tenz isn't far off
ckzera [#8]i mean zekken is the best player in NA, tenz isn't far off
zekken isn't top 2 in americas and he's not particularly close to 1 or 2 either
LouBag [#3]he is like tenz
he lacks consistency and gets tilted easy
he is top 5 in the world in potential, but can he manage his emotions?
what? shut up 🤣
Psion [#10]zekken isn't top 2 in americas and he's not particularly close to 1 or 2 either
i’d say he’s easily top 5 americas 2024, and they’re all debatable and interchangeable but he’s def top 5 americas.
Shawn23 [#12]i’d say he’s easily top 5 americas 2024, and they’re all debatable and interchangeable but he’s def top 5 americas.
he's definitely top 5 but less and saadhak are a mile away from him
skibidiyesyes [#4]He's just a great overall player, not much to say and I don't think he possesses any specific talent that makes him standout like how Alfajer and Demon1 were dominant in duels last year, which in itself can be seen as a good thing because that makes him more well rounded.
He diffed demon1 twice
Psion [#13]he's definitely top 5 but less and saadhak are a mile away from him
when you say top 5 what are you meaning by that are you meaning Value? Skill? Rating ? bc sadhaak is a IGL he’s not better then zekken. and less lmao…. this isn’t 2023 less but seeing as the 2 names you just said i could see that your a brazil/Loud stan so it’s pointless to try to prove anything lmao.
Shawn23 [#15]when you say top 5 what are you meaning by that are you meaning Value? Skill? Rating ? bc sadhaak is a IGL he’s not better then zekken. and less lmao…. this isn’t 2023 less but seeing as the 2 names you just said i could see that your a brazil/Loud stan so it’s pointless to try to prove anything lmao.
bro, even if you only look at 2024 less has been better...
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff
Saadhak is the best igl in the game by a wide margin, and i am talking about value, MVP means most VALUABLE player not most skilled player, so i always include IGLing into who is the best in the world.
Psion [#16]bro, even if you only look at 2024 less has been better...
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff
Saadhak is the best igl in the game by a wide margin, and i am talking about value, MVP means most VALUABLE player not most skilled player, so i always include IGLing into who is the best in the world.
kinda odd you would sadhaak and less are better have the just dropped 80+ on the but hey what do i know
but if you’re going off that i guess sadhaak, boaster, johnqt, fns are the 4 biggest MVPs in the whole world rn but no thats not how mvp works its whoever the best player is. and zekken is 10x better then sadhaak lmak
Shawn23 [#17]kinda odd you would sadhaak and less are better have the just dropped 80+ on the but hey what do i know
but if you’re going off that i guess sadhaak, boaster, johnqt, fns are the 4 biggest MVPs in the whole world rn but no thats not how mvp works its whoever the best player is. and zekken is 10x better then sadhaak lmak
"kinda odd you would sadhaak and less are better have the just dropped 80+ on the but hey what do i know"
It was a rematch, SEN and it's players were supposed to do better and anyone who didn't predict SEN to win that match was stupid as in tier 1 the loser wins the rematch 2/3 of the time in significant matches
https://www.vlr.gg/314537/the-results-of-rematches-in-tier-1-a-study for 1.
(ps 80 across 5 maps is in average of 16 a map)
saadhak's igling is significantly better than boaster's(he's got boasters number now) & johnqt's and FNS is retired.
If i was picking between Less, Zekken, Johnqt, and saadhak to have on my team it'd go
Saadhak, less, zekken/johnqt
LouBag [#3]he is like tenz
he lacks consistency and gets tilted easy
he is top 5 in the world in potential, but can he manage his emotions?
lacks consistency? bruh has a 1.15 rating after playing 450+ rounds and also after throwing 2 maps against g2
Psion [#16]bro, even if you only look at 2024 less has been better...
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff
Saadhak is the best igl in the game by a wide margin, and i am talking about value, MVP means most VALUABLE player not most skilled player, so i always include IGLing into who is the best in the world.
Brother, they are the same rating with zekken sporting way higher ADR, ACS, FK/FD ratio, etc on a far higher sample size. Zekken also outperformed Less on both of their match-ups against each other. There is no way that Less is "a mile away" from zekken; they're on the same level.
edit: Forgot to mention zekken even trolled two maps (vs. G2). Without those the rating would have been something like 1.20.
Onyx_FPS [#22]Brother, they are the same rating with zekken sporting way higher ADR, ACS, FK/FD ratio, etc on a far higher sample size. Zekken also outperformed Less on both of their match-ups against each other. There is no way that Less is "a mile away" from zekken; they're on the same level.
edit: Forgot to mention zekken even trolled two maps (vs. G2). Without those the rating would have been something like 1.20.
if you remove less's worst series (grand finals) less has a 1.25 rating, while if you remove zekken's worse series (g2) he has a 1.20 rating.
head to head does not matter(via head to head Russ and koldamenta were better than prime yay in 2022) , especially given #19 (how rematches work)
edit: ADR, ACS, FK/FD are all stats that duelists should be higher in than a lurker/anchor. i can bring up stats that less is higher in too(less has better CL%, KAST, APR, and K/D) it serves no purpose
Psion [#23]if you remove less's worst series (grand finals) less has a 1.25 rating, while if you remove zekken's worse series (g2) he has a 1.20 rating.
head to head does not matter(via head to head Russ and koldamenta were better than prime yay in 2022) , especially given #19 (how rematches work)
edit: ADR, ACS, FK/FD are all stats that duelists should be higher in than a lurker/anchor. i can bring up stats that less is higher in too(less has better CL%, KAST, APR, and K/D) it serves no purpose
Less is also on a worse team player wise so obviously he would have better stats
Louds Ratings
less - 1.15
tuyz - 1.10
cauzin - 1.01
qck - 0.96
Saadhak - 0.89
Sentinels Ratings
zekken - 1.15
TenZ - 1.10
Zellsis - 1.09
JohnQT - 1.08
Sacy - 1.06
bricky_ [#26]anything that makes zekken so good, demon1 does it better
Demon1 with the goat satchel movement
moshimoshiman24 [#9]good in every aspect maybe outside of his op which is improving every time we c him. he can play every agent just not breach (never wanna c that again).
His op has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY better since the XSET days.
Psion [#23]if you remove less's worst series (grand finals) less has a 1.25 rating, while if you remove zekken's worse series (g2) he has a 1.20 rating.
head to head does not matter(via head to head Russ and koldamenta were better than prime yay in 2022) , especially given #19 (how rematches work)
edit: ADR, ACS, FK/FD are all stats that duelists should be higher in than a lurker/anchor. i can bring up stats that less is higher in too(less has better CL%, KAST, APR, and K/D) it serves no purpose
You're the one saying they're a mile away from each other when the stats don't show it. I'm not saying zekken is better; I'm showing you you're wrong. Additionally, you're removing 5 maps from a series that mattered (vs. SEN, btw) to get that rating; zekken's two worst maps were completely inconsequential after they won the first against G2.
Head-to-head does start to matter with increased sample size. Less and zekken played 7 maps against each other this year, with Loud 4-3 against SEN, and zekken's performance was still much better than Less'. OpTic got 2-0'd by Guild.
What is your actual argument for why Less is better? It's not stats.
bricky_ [#26]anything that makes zekken so good, demon1 does it better
Zekken diffed him twice pls stop
Onyx_FPS [#33]You're the one saying they're a mile away from each other when the stats don't show it. I'm not saying zekken is better; I'm showing you you're wrong. Additionally, you're removing 5 maps from a series that mattered (vs. SEN, btw) to get that rating; zekken's two worst maps were completely inconsequential after they won the first against G2.
Head-to-head does start to matter with increased sample size. Less and zekken played 7 maps against each other this year, with Loud 4-3 against SEN, and zekken's performance was still much better than Less'. OpTic got 2-0'd by Guild.
What is your actual argument for why Less is better? It's not stats.
i never meant to say less was a mile better at Kickoff, just that he was better at kickoff. My original statement of "less and saadhak are a mile better than zekken" includes more than kickoff. Zekken did nothing of note last year(im not including lock\in, its too far away but it was easier to word it like this)
AloneSolstice [#30]His op has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY better since the XSET days.
fr it has although cryo has a much better op when he was on chamber. still think his op still at like b tier
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