SEN is the best NA team and beat the top 4 best teams in NA, SEN just has overall better players and played in a tougher region and better teams, Sen's Split is looking like 2023 FNC Lotus and OPTIC 2022 Bind, I think their Icebox is fine, yes they lost to LOUD but that's cuz is LOUD the best Icebox team and should've beat FNC if they didn't choke, their Ascent/Breeze/Bind needs change and that is mostly agent swapping and vod reviewing, TenZ should be playing Yoru on Breeze while Zekken is on Kay/o (he played breeze kay/o on Xset) Bind Sacy to Gekko, just practicing on it would be good could be their best map potentially, They were def hiding strats on this map. IF anyone from EMEA wants to provide their case for Heretics feel free I only watched a couple of their maps, but looks like a ton of MiniBoo Benjiy and Boo fragging out.
is SEN vs Heretics actually a debate EMEA NA come
idk bout heretics but i kind of disagree with some your points. I think they should just perma ban ascent (dont think they have enough time to fix it) tenz on that map his smokes r either late or not in the best spots and overall the team just doesnt look good on it. I think there icebox is either mid or bad bc i thought it was mostly loud throwing rounds and not really sen outplaying them. Icebox is crappy map tho and tbh basically every team is mid on it other then fnatic. I like your point with sacy gekko on bind (not sure tho if its good solo imitator tho and if they will need to change other stuff). The only point I heavy disagree about is breeze. I dont think they should switch tenz onto yoru and zekken kayo bc imma b real i dont think we ever want to c tenz solo duelist again and it limits zekken whos basically sen best player.
moshimoshiman24 [#6]idk bout heretics but i kind of disagree with some your points. I think they should just perma ban ascent (dont think they have enough time to fix it) tenz on that map his smokes r either late or not in the best spots and overall the team just doesnt look good on it. I think there icebox is either mid or bad bc i thought it was mostly loud throwing rounds and not really sen outplaying them. Icebox is crappy map tho and tbh basically every team is mid on it other then fnatic. I like your point with sacy gekko on bind (not sure tho if its good solo imitator tho and if they will need to change other stuff). The only point I heavy disagree about is breeze. I dont think they should switch tenz onto yoru and zekken kayo bc imma b real i dont think we ever want to c tenz solo duelist again and it limits zekken whos basically sen best player.
I agree on ur Breeze take, but I think they've def tried it, because so many teams have found success on the Yoru Breeze, me personally he brings more impact than jett on the map, he can take space by himself, and entry while being a initiator hybrid. Icebox I could see your point on it, I think Icebox you can def run the TenZ Yoru and a Zekken Kayo, because on Icebox the chokepoints are literally huge like no amount of util can stall the choke long enough and you have a gekko flash for that is fucking broken, Zekken is better at entry fragging than TenZ for sure, but I think you really need that entry frag potential on maps like Ascent, Split, Bind, Breeze, on icebox you're not going to get stalled on the choke for long periods of time as it is literally retake simulator. Bind could work but the lack of info would call for more aggression on both CT and T, since you have only info long if you're running gekko, I think they could also do TenZ gekko Sacy Fade and just scrap the yoru. Perma banning ascent should be the call but it can be fixed with cleaning up a few things and vod reviewing.
envyz [#11]I agree on ur Breeze take, but I think they've def tried it, because so many teams have found success on the Yoru Breeze, me personally he brings more impact than jett on the map, he can take space by himself, and entry while being a initiator hybrid. Icebox I could see your point on it, I think Icebox you can def run the TenZ Yoru and a Zekken Kayo, because on Icebox the chokepoints are literally huge like no amount of util can stall the choke long enough and you have a gekko flash for that is fucking broken, Zekken is better at entry fragging than TenZ for sure, but I think you really need that entry frag potential on maps like Ascent, Split, Bind, Breeze, on icebox you're not going to get stalled on the choke for long periods of time as it is literally retake simulator. Bind could work but the lack of info would call for more aggression on both CT and T, since you have only info long if you're running gekko, I think they could also do TenZ gekko Sacy Fade and just scrap the yoru. Perma banning ascent should be the call but it can be fixed with cleaning up a few things and vod reviewing.
i actually like your point of tenz on gekko. I never thought of that and I think that would b really good for bind if he could play gekko. Maybe on breeze they just switch tenz from kayo to yoru and play double duelist. I just dont think u can go solo duelist with tenz anymore unless u r going to sack someone every single round which probably isnt the best idea. Ascent they just dont have enough time to fix in time to play at an international level
moshimoshiman24 [#13]i actually like your point of tenz on gekko. I never thought of that and I think that would b really good for bind if he could play gekko. Maybe on breeze they just switch tenz from kayo to yoru and play double duelist. I just dont think u can go solo duelist with tenz anymore unless u r going to sack someone every single round which probably isnt the best idea. Ascent they just dont have enough time to fix in time to play at an international level
only way this is possible is if they give up cypher, you need Kay/o for executing onto cypher's site its so important or ur just gonna have to split on the site, its really hard to say but i think tenz can do it, like even if he dies he's drawn so much attention to himself entrying his team can just trade him or you put Zekken on the yoru, I think you need yoru (Yoru Kayo Gekko Cypher Viper) either way they need changes and the TenZ gekko would be perfect, but I wouldn't use it until playoffs.
envyz [#16]only way this is possible is if they give up cypher, you need Kay/o for executing onto cypher's site its so important or ur just gonna have to split on the site, its really hard to say but i think tenz can do it, like even if he dies he's drawn so much attention to himself entrying his team can just trade him or you put Zekken on the yoru, I think you need yoru (Yoru Kayo Gekko Cypher Viper) either way they need changes and the TenZ gekko would be perfect, but I wouldn't use it until playoffs.
idk breeze is rough if they cant find any improvements with their current default comp. sen just suck on all the maps that they cant play zekken raze so they gotta find improvement on some non raze map
LouBag [#25]player quality is overwhelmingly in sens favor.
sen should win 70/30 odds
it is literally because SEN has played in a far more competitive region off season was so important to these guys for experience and they're showing it.
envyz [#26]it is literally because SEN has played in a far more competitive region off season was so important to these guys for experience and they're showing it.
'far more'
yeah ok bro, your third best team has garbage players like victor, crashies and marved, that says a lot.
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