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mattgg2015

Which of these old NA CS teams would be the best in VALORANT?

Complexity

  • dephh
  • ANDROID
  • ShahZaM
  • yay
  • stanislaw

Ghost

  • steel
  • subroza
  • koosta
  • WARDELL
  • neptune

Cloud9

  • daps
  • autimatic
  • TenZ
  • koosta
  • mixwell

Swole Patrol

  • brax
  • Zellsis
  • Subroza
  • yay
  • neptune

CLG

  • Ethan
  • hazed
  • koosta
  • reltuC
  • subroza
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sampenn1
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prob c9 but none of them are STACKED

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PicKaRuu
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C9 or CLG

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plas
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id say c9 or col

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HeyClassic
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Complexity for sure

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atmajitxD
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c9 (T_T)

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blicey
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complexity no diff

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BirdB0i
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Ibuypower

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josef
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  1. Cloud 9(Probably the strongest team , along with a pretty good igl , daps' contribution and impact has become clear after how much NRG has fallen off since he left , when he was there , even if they weren't placing top , they didn't get bombed out in ways that the current roster is , along with how clueless this current NRG roster looks sometimes , despite having pretty good individual players.Having a star player in TenZ who could on his best day probably beat anyone in the world that isn't cNed in terms of server and individual domination on their best day. Autimatic another pretty good awper given his recent performances and a good fill for the secondary duelist role and someone who can flex, will be able to play well off TenZ creating space and awp/rifle alongside him given the roles they might be playing , very good fragger as well. mixwell , another dangerous fragger who has somehow become a godly impactful lurker and another reliable flex in koosta )

Possible 2. Complexity (this team could give no.1 a run for its money but only if stanislaw is a solid player , which I'm not sure how I'd quantify , along with the fact that dephh while an impressive igl , isn't exactly the best individually , pretty good sometimes , decent most of the time , but he won't be igling , ShahZam will be , yay has no problems , another star player , probably 2nd or 3rd best in the teams given, ShahZam is a very good awper , but can be inconsistent sometimes with his fragging and performance , one tournament he'll look like top 2 awper another he'll look like just a decently impactful awper , along with this , there's also role clash between yay and him and yay hasn't exactly player any other duelist besides Jett and Reyna who both work on the same principle of getting aggressive and getting away , which other duelists won't provide , he'll probably still frag well , but will definitely be less effective , which might affect how he can individually perform , unless ShahZam gives up on Jett on most maps like with TenZ , which can work well too , but then that reduces ShahZam's own impact , since Yay uses Jett on slightly more maps than TenZ does , Android is good , but has been unimpressive in the roles he's player besides viper )

Actual 2.Ghost(steel is a solid igl who can bring structure to the team and mid round very well, a dedicated and powerful awper in wardell , a reliable entry in neptune who doesn't necessarily need to frag too much , but can occasionally , but at the very least does the job of an entry effectively as he should,subroza playing the role that he is on TSM right now , would be very effective , and Koosta a very decent sova and a good flex player , and dedicated sentinel with tricky but effective cheese setups . )

  1. Swole Patrol(The main problem with this team is a lack of a good igl , none of the players have shown any special traits which would hint at they'd be good igls either , but a team with pretty good firepower that could take on the teams above just based on that , but just having firepower is simply not enough if there's no structure to it , along with the fact that on an individual the teams above could definitely at-least match them or near-match them , in which case the igl, structure ,strategy etc. diff works in their favour.

  2. CLG , weakest team by far in terms of firepower , very obvious , might just lose based on that , cutler's ability to be effective as an Igl has been very questionable for most of his later time on TSM , along with the fact that his lack of fragging in any given instance being extremely detrimental can effect the team in many cases . No star player that can dominate the game and win a match or edge out a match that isn't going in the team's favour .Ethan , hazed subroza and koosta can play their roles pretty well , but lack of any direction (especially given that ethan is still new to the game , and will definitely require some capable guidance in what to do as a player) along with the fact that subroza by himself can be inconsistent , and even when consistent , cannot create enough single handed impact for his team.(Edit forgot the possibility that Hazed could igl , again , not a very huge upgrade , better , but still won't be a difference maker compared to the teams above , he hasn't shown any special traits as an igl so far, his calling can sometimes be questionable , and lot of the reason TSM has become better is also due to chet not hazed, but self-sufficient in his own role and more than enough in that regard)

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josef [#9]
  1. Cloud 9(Probably the strongest team , along with a pretty good igl , daps' contribution and impact has become clear after how much NRG has fallen off since he left , when he was there , even if they weren't placing top , they didn't get bombed out in ways that the current roster is , along with how clueless this current NRG roster looks sometimes , despite having pretty good individual players.Having a star player in TenZ who could on his best day probably beat anyone in the world that isn't cNed in terms of server and individual domination on their best day. Autimatic another pretty good awper given his recent performances and a good fill for the secondary duelist role and someone who can flex, will be able to play well off TenZ creating space and awp/rifle alongside him given the roles they might be playing , very good fragger as well. mixwell , another dangerous fragger who has somehow become a godly impactful lurker and another reliable flex in koosta )

Possible 2. Complexity (this team could give no.1 a run for its money but only if stanislaw is a solid player , which I'm not sure how I'd quantify , along with the fact that dephh while an impressive igl , isn't exactly the best individually , pretty good sometimes , decent most of the time , but he won't be igling , ShahZam will be , yay has no problems , another star player , probably 2nd or 3rd best in the teams given, ShahZam is a very good awper , but can be inconsistent sometimes with his fragging and performance , one tournament he'll look like top 2 awper another he'll look like just a decently impactful awper , along with this , there's also role clash between yay and him and yay hasn't exactly player any other duelist besides Jett and Reyna who both work on the same principle of getting aggressive and getting away , which other duelists won't provide , he'll probably still frag well , but will definitely be less effective , which might affect how he can individually perform , unless ShahZam gives up on Jett on most maps like with TenZ , which can work well too , but then that reduces ShahZam's own impact , since Yay uses Jett on slightly more maps than TenZ does , Android is good , but has been unimpressive in the roles he's player besides viper )

Actual 2.Ghost(steel is a solid igl who can bring structure to the team and mid round very well, a dedicated and powerful awper in wardell , a reliable entry in neptune who doesn't necessarily need to frag too much , but can occasionally , but at the very least does the job of an entry effectively as he should,subroza playing the role that he is on TSM right now , would be very effective , and Koosta a very decent sova and a good flex player , and dedicated sentinel with tricky but effective cheese setups . )

  1. Swole Patrol(The main problem with this team is a lack of a good igl , none of the players have shown any special traits which would hint at they'd be good igls either , but a team with pretty good firepower that could take on the teams above just based on that , but just having firepower is simply not enough if there's no structure to it , along with the fact that on an individual the teams above could definitely at-least match them or near-match them , in which case the igl, structure ,strategy etc. diff works in their favour.

  2. CLG , weakest team by far in terms of firepower , very obvious , might just lose based on that , cutler's ability to be effective as an Igl has been very questionable for most of his later time on TSM , along with the fact that his lack of fragging in any given instance being extremely detrimental can effect the team in many cases . No star player that can dominate the game and win a match or edge out a match that isn't going in the team's favour .Ethan , hazed subroza and koosta can play their roles pretty well , but lack of any direction (especially given that ethan is still new to the game , and will definitely require some capable guidance in what to do as a player) along with the fact that subroza by himself can be inconsistent , and even when consistent , cannot create enough single handed impact for his team.(Edit forgot the possibility that Hazed could igl , again , not a very huge upgrade , better , but still won't be a difference maker compared to the teams above , he hasn't shown any special traits as an igl so far, his calling can sometimes be questionable , and lot of the reason TSM has become better is also due to chet not hazed, but self-sufficient in his own role and more than enough in that regard)

yay can play sage as well so I think that can work for some maps. C9 def would be the strongest though.

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josef
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yay can play sage as well so I think that can work for some maps. C9 def would be the strongest though.

yea I took that into consideration but shaz would def want the star player to play the duelist , yay won't be able to bring out his best without that and we've already seen what happens when people try to stifle star players into support roles in most cases.Maybe he could on split , but on Ascent Shaz considers Jett very powerful , so he'd probably have him on Jett there too. Problem is stanislaw is unquantifiable , so that messes everything up , since Android or dephh fill different roles and aren't good sovas , Shahz will need to be on it depending on what stanislaw plays , very messy to analyze the strength of a team like this.

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