Who's the brazilian GOAT

only 2 players can be in the debate:
ASPAS(A) and SACY(S)
Rating:
A: 1.23 (Best T1 Brazilian player) S: 1.15 (2nd T1 brazilian player)
Rating with their best agent:
A: 1.25 with Jett (2nd best T1 Brazilian player) S: 1.28 with Sova (Best T1 Brazilian player)
Important Titles:
A: BR Challengers Stages 1, 2 (2022), Valorant Champions, Americas League
S: BR Masters (2021), BR Challengers Stages 2 (2021), BR Challengers Stages 1, 2 (2022), Valorant Champions
International events qualified:
A: Masters Reykjavík (2022), Masters Copenhagen (2022), Champions 2022, Masters Tokyo (2023), Champions 2023 (5)
S: Masters Reykjavík (2021), Champions (2021), Masters Reykjavík (2022), Masters Copenhagen (2022), Champions 2022 (5)
Most Kills in a Map:
A: 33 vs 100T https://www.vlr.gg/183809/loud-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w6
S: 32 vs OPTC https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf
KAST:
A: 75% (3rd best T1 Brazilian player) S: 77% (Best T1 brazilian player) [pANcada is n°2]
ACS:
A: 253.8 (2nd best T1 Brazilian player) S: 224.3 (6th best T1 brazilian player) [mwzera is n°1]

3 questions:
what other stat should i put?
what other comparison should I make?
WHO IS THE BR GOAT?

Less

poweredjay [#2]

Less

XD

Sacy for the fact that he put us on the map with Saadhak, he's the FalleN of Valorant

Definitely Aspas or Less or maybe Saadhak.

Sacy was unsuccessful in 2023, so we can't count on him.

atid555 [#5]

Definitely Aspas or Less or maybe Saadhak.

Sacy was unsuccessful in 2023, so we can't count on him.

same for ASPAS and LESS in 2021
and Saadhak is Argentinian xD
and rn Sacy is in great form.

mwzera

widepeepofrosty [#7]

mwzera

i guess is meme

Aspas is the GOAT

PINTO0 [#8]

i guess is meme

no its truth 😠😠😠

widepeepofrosty [#10]

no its truth 😠😠😠

how in the world is mwzera the BR GOAT?
max top 6 (behind pANcada, Less, Aspas, Sacy and Heat)

shzuo [#9]

Aspas is the GOAT

yeah, i mean it's very very hard to decide, so close

saadhak

!stats

Im sorry but you display a complete lack of awareness and unfamiliarity, to put it mildly, bordering on blatant ignorance about the Brazilian scene.

Mwzera should be acknowledged here.

Mwzera isn't just a player; he's an icon, an entity. Literally all the good br players were inspired by him, he teached them a new way of aiming, they looked at him as a god, as a superstar, a rolemodel (and he was only 19yo at that time).

I'm thrilled about the legacy he established. He empowered a generation of players to achieve their utmost potential.

Regarded as the most mechanically gifted player in the world, his movements transcend ordinary skill, as stated by c9 (https://www.vlr.gg/170998/mwzera-is-the-most-mechanically-gifted-player).

When you think about raze, you think of mwzera. Even riot himself admitted it. In their advertising video of raze in brazil there's a mention to mwzera (https://youtu.be/L36C5IoA0KA?t=43) "duar bala", an expression named after him because of the way he shoots and move

He still holds the title of the best player statistically worldwide
He is the most talented player in Brazil

EdsonTresPernas [#13]

saadhak

bro, he's argentinian. i know he's the GOAT of the region but he's not from there

trembolonaRage [#15]

Im sorry but you display a complete lack of awareness and unfamiliarity, to put it mildly, bordering on blatant ignorance about the Brazilian scene.

Mwzera should be acknowledged here.

Mwzera isn't just a player; he's an icon, an entity. Literally all the good br players were inspired by him, he teached them a new way of aiming, they looked at him as a god, as a superstar, a rolemodel (and he was only 19yo at that time).

I'm thrilled about the legacy he established. He empowered a generation of players to achieve their utmost potential.

Regarded as the most mechanically gifted player in the world, his movements transcend ordinary skill, as stated by c9 (https://www.vlr.gg/170998/mwzera-is-the-most-mechanically-gifted-player).

When you think about raze, you think of mwzera. Even riot himself admitted it. In their advertising video of raze in brazil there's a mention to mwzera (https://youtu.be/L36C5IoA0KA?t=43) "duar bala", an expression named after him because of the way he shoots and move

He still holds the title of the best player statistically worldwide
He is the most talented player in Brazil

talent doesn't means GOAT
Football examples: Ronaldinho, Neymar, Robinho, Jesé, Bale, Balotelli etc.
also he lit did NOTHING in international events
Sacy was MVP in a CHAMPS FINAL
Aspas was the best player of that LOUD
Mwzera

trembolonaRage [#15]

Im sorry but you display a complete lack of awareness and unfamiliarity, to put it mildly, bordering on blatant ignorance about the Brazilian scene.

Mwzera should be acknowledged here.

Mwzera isn't just a player; he's an icon, an entity. Literally all the good br players were inspired by him, he teached them a new way of aiming, they looked at him as a god, as a superstar, a rolemodel (and he was only 19yo at that time).

I'm thrilled about the legacy he established. He empowered a generation of players to achieve their utmost potential.

Regarded as the most mechanically gifted player in the world, his movements transcend ordinary skill, as stated by c9 (https://www.vlr.gg/170998/mwzera-is-the-most-mechanically-gifted-player).

When you think about raze, you think of mwzera. Even riot himself admitted it. In their advertising video of raze in brazil there's a mention to mwzera (https://youtu.be/L36C5IoA0KA?t=43) "duar bala", an expression named after him because of the way he shoots and move

He still holds the title of the best player statistically worldwide
He is the most talented player in Brazil

when you think about raze you think about Keznit or Jinggg.
a C9 achievement is nothing. is like Ronaldo's Arabic individual titles
and is not the best player in stats (ASPAS)

PINTO0 [#16]

bro, he's argentinian. i know he's the GOAT of the region but he's not from there

he is more Brazilian than me so he is my BR Goat

EdsonTresPernas [#19]

he is more Brazilian than me so he is my BR Goat

i mean, he's the Argentinian GOAT and the GOAT of BR scene

PINTO0 [#17]

talent doesn't means GOAT
Football examples: Ronaldinho, Neymar, Robinho, Jesé, Bale, Balotelli etc.
also he lit did NOTHING in international events
Sacy was MVP in a CHAMPS FINAL
Aspas was the best player of that LOUD
Mwzera

He is an absolute monster

mwzera shocked the world when he single handedly beat ACE (former world champions), odds were like 1.01
I received more than 400 downvotes because I said he would destroy them (https://www.vlr.gg/post/400854/acend-vs-keyd-stars-valorant-champions-opening-a)

He also shocked the world when he dropped a 60 bomb against FNATIC (the best team to ever touch the game) on LOCKIN
He was the best statistically player in the match and had more kills than any player in the server, including Derke and dgzin who played duelists

trembolonaRage [#21]

He is an absolute monster

mwzera shocked the world when he single handedly beat ACE (former world champions), odds were like 1.01
I received more than 400 downvotes because I said he would destroy them (https://www.vlr.gg/post/400854/acend-vs-keyd-stars-valorant-champions-opening-a)

He also shocked the world when he dropped a 60 bomb against FNATIC (the best team to ever touch the game) on LOCKIN
He was the best statistically player in the match and had more kills than any player in the server, including Derke and dgzin who played duelists

zeek lit was better than him.
and Acend shocked the world winning against GAMBIT who cared about a Acend vs Vivo Keyd. that match was just relevant by the polemic
SACY SHOCKED THE WORLD WINNING ALONE A MAP AGAINST OPTIC IN CHAMPS FINAL
who cares about FNC winning FUR??? lit is the most normal thing. the important match was this: https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf even people care more about this match: https://www.vlr.gg/167368/sentinels-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-ro16

Also any 2022 LOUD player trascend more than mwzera. Is the most viewed team in val history
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2023-lock-sao-paulo lit top 3 matches SEN vs FNC, NRG vs LOUD, LOUD vs FNC (all with LOUD 2022 players)

PINTO0 [#11]

how in the world is mwzera the BR GOAT?
max top 6 (behind pANcada, Less, Aspas, Sacy and Heat)

ill spell it out for you:

STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)

widepeepofrosty [#23]

ill spell it out for you:

STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)

xd i know it was a meme

Piter [#4]

Sacy for the fact that he put us on the map with Saadhak, he's the FalleN of Valorant

what other comparison should I make?

Aspaszin 🐐

TxoziN 🐐. and it's not even close

We all know it's trembo

PINTO0 [#25]

what other comparison should I make?

Best smokes players in 2023

honestly sacy taught brazil how to play valorant and he understand the game before everyone so he can be the BR goat, aspas is what he is today because of sacy

Piter [#29]

Best smokes players in 2023

https://www.vlr.gg/291997/who-was-the-best-smoker-in-vct-2023

SmartPerson [#30]

honestly sacy taught brazil how to play valorant and he understand the game before everyone so he can be the BR goat, aspas is what he is today because of sacy

Agree

PINTO0 [#20]

i mean, he's the Argentinian GOAT and the GOAT of BR scene

He has BR citizenship + He considers himself a Brazilian as well since Brazil gave everything to him (specially job and wife)

SmartPerson [#30]

honestly sacy taught brazil how to play valorant and he understand the game before everyone so he can be the BR goat, aspas is what he is today because of sacy

Agreed. Mobinha our king👑

PINTO0 [#22]

zeek lit was better than him.
and Acend shocked the world winning against GAMBIT who cared about a Acend vs Vivo Keyd. that match was just relevant by the polemic
SACY SHOCKED THE WORLD WINNING ALONE A MAP AGAINST OPTIC IN CHAMPS FINAL
who cares about FNC winning FUR??? lit is the most normal thing. the important match was this: https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf even people care more about this match: https://www.vlr.gg/167368/sentinels-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-ro16

Also any 2022 LOUD player trascend more than mwzera. Is the most viewed team in val history
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2023-lock-sao-paulo lit top 3 matches SEN vs FNC, NRG vs LOUD, LOUD vs FNC (all with LOUD 2022 players)

Being in a better team makes the illusion that you are a better player than you actually are

PINTO0 [#31]

https://www.vlr.gg/291997/who-was-the-best-smoker-in-vct-2023

Nice

The only GOAT from Brazil and South America is ASPAS. Don't even compare anyone. Top3 player in the World CONSISTENTLY.

aspas is def the goat of brazil
incredibly consistent+lev r gonna farm so his case gets better

donkkomong [#37]

The only GOAT from Brazil and South America is ASPAS. Don't even compare anyone. Top3 player in the World CONSISTENTLY.

if you only look at numbers, sure. But saadhak (one of the worlds best IGL) has stated many times how sacy helped the whole team not only in fundamentals but he was also the core part in developing brazils 2 best talents (Less and Aspas).

anyth1ng [#39]

if you only look at numbers, sure. But saadhak (one of the worlds best IGL) has stated many times how sacy helped the whole team not only in fundamentals but he was also the core part in developing brazils 2 best talents (Less and Aspas).

i think those metrics are harder to quantify. a player like krimz in csgo has similar out of game impact in terms of being stable and filling many roles, but nobody argues that he was better than olofmeister who just killed everyone. respect to sacy but i think the way most ppl use "goat" applies best to aspas

afflict3d [#40]

i think those metrics are harder to quantify. a player like krimz in csgo has similar out of game impact in terms of being stable and filling many roles, but nobody argues that he was better than olofmeister who just killed everyone. respect to sacy but i think the way most ppl use "goat" applies best to aspas

fair enough, aspas is my favorite player and I think he will only grow more and more

anyth1ng [#39]

if you only look at numbers, sure. But saadhak (one of the worlds best IGL) has stated many times how sacy helped the whole team not only in fundamentals but he was also the core part in developing brazils 2 best talents (Less and Aspas).

Best player goes to Aspas. Ngl the goat after aspas for brazil is saadhak. But I respect what you're saying.

anyth1ng [#41]

fair enough, aspas is my favorite player and I think he will only grow more and more

he has a good chance to win back to back americas mvps

kbkdark [#33]

He has BR citizenship + He considers himself a Brazilian as well since Brazil gave everything to him (specially job and wife)

he stills argentinian, i know he's a idol in BR and has BR citizenship an all that
but he's argentinian and that's it

donkkomong [#37]

The only GOAT from Brazil and South America is ASPAS. Don't even compare anyone. Top3 player in the World CONSISTENTLY.

cause in 2021 he was top 3 players itw no?
and 2023 he was better than Demon1, Alfajer, Leo
o yeah he wasn't top 3
is really close this, but South America GOAT is Saadhak

Probably Sacy, brazil is what it is because of him

Sacy crawled so that Aspas could run