SEN fans will and should celebrate this win because:
Zerphyr1 [#2]and fnc lost to acend and geekay in an off season tournament and still won lockin.
100T won homeground but ended up in almost last place in vct americas.
off season results have little correlation to a teams performance in the actual season. Just like scrims.
umh... fnatic didn't have chronicle and they won the superdome regardless ☝🤓 (also the match agaisnt acend and geekay was a best of one, on the same map)
Zerphyr1 [#2]and fnc lost to acend and geekay in an off season tournament and still won lockin.
100T won homeground but ended up in almost last place in vct americas.
off season results have little correlation to a teams performance in the actual season. Just like scrims.
So you're saying that a team that went from winning nothing even losing to TSM to beating good teams is not an improvement?
number1_cned_hater [#3]johnqt has to be god sent, bro changed sentinels too much
Perfect calls and reads
spectre300 [#5]So you're saying that a team that went from winning nothing even losing to TSM to beating good teams is not an improvement?
has nothing to do with improvement. You took my post way out of context.
dandinotro [#4]umh... fnatic didn't have chronicle and they won the superdome regardless ☝🤓 (also the match agaisnt acend and geekay was a best of one, on the same map)
look at liquid instead then, they placed last at redbull home ground but did great in the regular season.
Zerphyr1 [#7]has nothing to do with improvement. You took my post way out of context.
as a SEN fan i still don't expect the team to win everything this year that's not realistic but at least it says we are improving
and 100T when they won RB homeground they weren't coming from a season with 0-5 and early elimination from lcq like SEN but they were an established team who won lcq and went to champions and beat fnatic there
but if your point is that winning this doesn't guarentee winning in the season then we agree but still it's a reason to celebrate
spectre300 [#9]as a SEN fan i still don't expect the team to win everything this year that's not realistic but at least it says we are improving
and 100T when they won RB homeground they weren't coming from a season with 0-5 and early elimination from lcq like SEN but they were an established team who won lcq and went to champions and beat fnatic there
but if your point is that winning this doesn't guarentee winning in the season then we agree but still it's a reason to celebrate
All I'm trying to say is that off season results don't matter that much when predicting a teams strength strength for the actual season.
They do indicate some level of strength in a team but as time has shown the results of these off season tournaments don't matter that much.
Do you agree with this and if not what parts?
Zerphyr1 [#10]All I'm trying to say is that off season results don't matter that much when predicting a teams strength strength for the actual season.
They do indicate some level of strength in a team but as time has shown the results of these off season tournaments don't matter that much.Do you agree with this and if not what parts?
i agree with most of it. all i'm saying is SEN are now better than ever but it still not a GUARANTEE for success in the actual seaon but it's a guarantee they will do better than last season at least and that's enough for a SEN fan
spectre300 [#11]i agree with most of it. all i'm saying is SEN are now better than ever but it still not a GUARANTEE for success in the actual seaon but it's a guarantee they will do better than last season at least and that's enough for a SEN fan
I agree with what u said apart from the "it's a guarantee they will do better than last season at least"
Sen didn't verse any T1 NA teams and these teams could have improved even more than SEN but I do agree that sen will do better this year compared to last.
Zerphyr1 [#12]I agree with what u said apart from the "it's a guarantee they will do better than last season at least"
Sen didn't verse any T1 NA teams and these teams could have improved even more than SEN but I do agree that sen will do better this year compared to last.
where are T1 NA teams now ?
most of them don't have a full roster besides C9 and even if they do a new roster won't be as good as PRX or DRX yet
Zerphyr1 [#12]I agree with what u said apart from the "it's a guarantee they will do better than last season at least"
Sen didn't verse any T1 NA teams and these teams could have improved even more than SEN but I do agree that sen will do better this year compared to last.
But also do you know why i think SEN is better here's some facts from AVL:
Zerphyr1 [#8]look at liquid instead then, they placed last at redbull home ground but did great in the regular season.
Liquid didnt have a full roster either, they were missing nats and redgar :’)
Come on man its just one search away
zen-o [#17]Liquid didnt have a full roster either, they were missing nats and redgar :’)
Come on man its just one search away
my point still stands
Zerphyr1 [#19]my point still stands
It could all just be “chance variations” in the end. But SEN has shown considerable improvements over their 2023 run. Lock In was a single elim and some teams have said they didn’t prep much or that rosters just came together, and FNC won, we know how good they played and made pretty good predictions on how far their run is going to be.
donkkomong [#18]Who cares SEN will lose to LEV and Fnatic lmfao. And NRG if they can get Demon1 Ethan Crashies Victor Marved, best team NA.
downvoted for speaking the truth 🗿
Confidence boost sure, Offseason events have no correlation to actual performance in regular season Lockin was not an offseason but still talon looked like absolute beast and turn out to be 2nd worst performing team. Heretics looked like they gonna damage Eu in offseason event and we all know what happened same with 100T. When teams will antistrat you and you don’t have suprises to pull it is a different ball game and can turn out anyway + transfer window is not even closed any team can pull out a demon1 Top2 is open ground.
So becoming that annoying sen fan once again to be humbled later is not good claiming Madrid just because of offseason is wild
Hockey-Stick [#24]Confidence boost sure, Offseason events have no correlation to actual performance in regular season Lockin was not an offseason but still talon looked like absolute beast and turn out to be 2nd worst performing team. Heretics looked like they gonna damage Eu in offseason event and we all know what happened same with 100T. When teams will antistrat you and you don’t have suprises to pull it is a different ball game and can turn out anyway + transfer window is not even closed any team can pull out a demon1 Top2 is open ground.
So becoming that annoying sen fan once again to be humbled later is not good claiming Madrid just because of offseason is wild
Ok read comment #9 and #11 and #14 again then come back
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#25]"They beat PRX twice"
yeah and 100T won homeground last year
Old SEN would've been 13-0 twice
Zerphyr1 [#2]and fnc lost to acend and geekay in an off season tournament and still won lockin.
100T won homeground but ended up in almost last place in vct americas.
off season results have little correlation to a teams performance in the actual season. Just like scrims.
eu supporter and fnc fan
SEN are clearly in form, and will continue to be so, as long as they don't lose their coach like 100T, they'll stay at the top for a while. definitely not the best in the world yet. well it depends which tournaments they play, if you play some showmatches, sure, that has little correlation. but against teams who had clearly prepared and were clearly trying, such as TL, T1, and DRX (ig you can say PRX are in a reduced form because they're in the middle of adjusting their roster), SEN dominated.
Hockey-Stick [#24]Confidence boost sure, Offseason events have no correlation to actual performance in regular season Lockin was not an offseason but still talon looked like absolute beast and turn out to be 2nd worst performing team. Heretics looked like they gonna damage Eu in offseason event and we all know what happened same with 100T. When teams will antistrat you and you don’t have suprises to pull it is a different ball game and can turn out anyway + transfer window is not even closed any team can pull out a demon1 Top2 is open ground.
So becoming that annoying sen fan once again to be humbled later is not good claiming Madrid just because of offseason is wild
well it depends on the tournament, and what happens in between. teams go downhill for a variety of reasons, had 100T remained in the same form they played at homeground 2022 then they would've done very well at lock//in and the season. however, mainly due to sgares leaving the team, they were not in the same form and so did not win. sure, teams do not necessarily try AS hard, but anyone with an ounce of understanding on what makes pro-teams good can see that SEN dominated pretty difficult competition. it's nothing to do with antistratting, the conditions will be the same at the start of the season next year as they are now. most of what won SEN this tournament was not "surprises" rather good synergy, teamplay, everyone being in form (something that we should trust will continue, given the calibre of their players), few mistakes and literally pioneering the development of the new breach meta on sunset lol.
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#25]"They beat PRX twice"
yeah and 100T won homeground last year
but 100T lost their coach, this is literally false equivalence. if you look at how 100T played at champions, and their trajectory, it makes sense that with their coach they peaked and then with sgares' leaving they went downhill again. a lot of what made them great were prepared entire rounds, devised by gares, none of which their new guy has implemented with success.
wiki [#31]but 100T lost their coach, this is literally false equivalence. if you look at how 100T played at champions, and their trajectory, it makes sense that with their coach they peaked and then with sgares' leaving they went downhill again. a lot of what made them great were prepared entire rounds, devised by gares, none of which their new guy has implemented with success.
wiki [#31]but 100T lost their coach, this is literally false equivalence. if you look at how 100T played at champions, and their trajectory, it makes sense that with their coach they peaked and then with sgares' leaving they went downhill again. a lot of what made them great were prepared entire rounds, devised by gares, none of which their new guy has implemented with success.
They already lost sgares when they won homeground tho?
Zerphyr1 [#2]and fnc lost to acend and geekay in an off season tournament and still won lockin.
100T won homeground but ended up in almost last place in vct americas.
off season results have little correlation to a teams performance in the actual season. Just like scrims.
FNC didnt have full roster and were playing diff roles, 100t lost Sgares and chamber was still meta
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#34]They already lost sgares when they won homeground tho?
true, but coaches don't have an immediate effect. when they leave their team it is not as if the team will instantly go to shit. most of sgares pre-planned rounds were still being played etc, his lasting impact on the players individual skill was still there, but by start of the new season this was dissipated due to antistratting, developments by other teams, and form decline.
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