lets be fr, Champions > Masters + LOCK//IN

Before i say anything else, I still think FNC were the best team this year specifically because they had the highest peak (Masters).

But for the mfs saying Champions <= Masters + LOCK//IN, you guys have to be trolling. LOCK//IN was completely single elim Bo3s until the Bo5 playoffs where there was just semis and a final Bo5. Idk why we're hyping up a tourney that was literally a one-time experiment with just a 500k prize pool (winner gets only 100k). I understand the argument for Masters of course but it's just not on the same lvl compared to Champions even with the inclusion of LOCK//IN.

The winning prize pool for Champions 2023 was more than DOUBLE than Masters + LOCK//IN and the Champs winner gets a 50% cut from the champs skin ( likely would amount to even more than 1 mill thanks to the game releasing in China), the comparison shouldn't even be close. VCT is literally named after the final tourney for a reason, it'll be like saying MSI + an experimental season-opening tourney > Worlds, it's just a different level of prestige. No player or org wouldn't say that they would prefer to be in EG spot this year compared to FNATIC.

Only emea cucks think masters and flockins count to anything... Same thing as considering redbull homegrounds and sentinels invitational as international trophys 😴

in prestige yes, in competition no

nah not even. The hardest thing is not to win a event, its to consistently win events.

ionlyHave1Zuni [#2]

Only emea cucks think masters and flockins count to anything... Same thing as considering redbull homegrounds and sentinels invitational as international trophys 😴

Maybe you would have a point if your flag wasn't Brazilian.
Basically lets people know you're still coping from being embarrassed at LOCK//IN and Masters.

Brimstan [#3]

in prestige yes, in competition no

this

2ainnn [#4]

nah not even. The hardest thing is not to win a event, its to consistently win events.

LOCK//IN has never existed prior to this year though, you can argue that 2021 SEN or 2022 OPTIC wouldve won their LOCK//IN, it's just another reason to downgrade it since it was literally just a 1 time thing with a bad format and a small prize pool.

Brimstan [#3]

in prestige yes, in competition no

you think any player would say competition > prestige lol, be fr bro

TheMasterfulBonzai233 [#5]

Maybe you would have a point if your flag wasn't Brazilian.
Basically lets people know you're still coping from being embarrassed at LOCK//IN and Masters.

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lets be fr, Champions > Masters + LOCK//IN in General Discussion
Maybe you would have a point if your flag wasn't Brazilian.
Basically lets people know you're still coping from being embarrassed at LOCK//IN and Masters.

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who won WC, who didn't?
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That's like saying Yay is the GOAT of VALORANT despite only ever winning a fluke Masters and falling off right after. Meanwhile even fucking Boaster has more tournament wins than Yay.

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Knights monthly > Mickey mouse LOCK//lN

cartixuzi [#7]

LOCK//IN has never existed prior to this year though, you can argue that 2021 SEN or 2022 OPTIC wouldve won their LOCK//IN, it's just another reason to downgrade it since it was literally just a 1 time thing with a bad format and a small prize pool.

winning 2 events in a row and finishing 4th in champs is way more impressive than just winning champs

ionlyHave1Zuni [#2]

Only emea cucks think masters and flockins count to anything... Same thing as considering redbull homegrounds and sentinels invitational as international trophys 😴

only brazil and NA cucks try to downplay masters and lock in for obvious reasons

Kkonakorner [#11]

winning 2 events in a row and finishing 4th in champs is way more impressive than just winning champs

you can argue but im valuing the prestigiousness of each tourney as that's literally all that would matter to any org and player (can be debated upon if ur just a viewer).

cartixuzi [#13]

you can argue but im valuing the prestigiousness of each tourney as that's literally all that would matter to any org and player (can be debated upon if ur just a viewer).

ofc its more prestigious,but the formats are exactly the same with masters and so is the level of competition, winning 2 events so dominantly makes their case for being the best team in the word way stronger,if eg or loud won lock in and tokyo and came 4th in champs EVERYONE would say they dominated this year and were the best team in the world,ut now since fnc couldn't literally 3 peat every all the haters are trying to downplay their dominance this season lol

yes plus I don’t like fnatic

Kkonakorner [#14]

ofc its more prestigious,but the formats are exactly the same with masters and so is the level of competition, winning 2 events so dominantly makes their case for being the best team in the word way stronger,if eg or loud won lock in and tokyo and came 4th in champs EVERYONE would say they dominated this year and were the best team in the world,ut now since fnc couldn't literally 3 peat every all the haters are trying to downplay their dominance this season lol

LOCK//IN was very much not a dominant tourney for FNC though due to the final + the shitty bracket and the teams they faced. Again you can argue about it but prestige is all that matters to these players and their orgs. If LoL esports had smth similar to LOCK//IN, nobody's gonna be saying that they'll prefer a back-to-back LOCK//IN and MSI win over Worlds, you're making it sound like competition is more important than prestige and it really isn't. Champions is THE tournament with the highest stakes and the highest pressure to perform.

If you think about money and prestige, yes, Champions > Masters + Lock//In

In terms of competition, Champions and Masters are roughly the same simply because of the teams and format.

I think people saying Masters + Lock//In > Champions are saying that to support their argument that Fnatic was the best team (in terms of results/wins, not prize money) of 2023, not to claim Fnatic to be the most prestigious team.

TheMasterfulBonzai233 [#5]

Maybe you would have a point if your flag wasn't Brazilian.
Basically lets people know you're still coping from being embarrassed at LOCK//IN and Masters.

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EntryKJ [#17]

If you think about money and prestige, yes, Champions > Masters + Lock//In

In terms of competition, Champions and Masters are roughly the same simply because of the teams and format.

I think people saying Masters + Lock//In > Champions are saying that to support their argument that Fnatic was the best team (in terms of results/wins, not prize money) of 2023, not to claim Fnatic to be the most prestigious team.

yeah I'm trying to highlight the importance of Champions this year pretty much that a lot of ppl are downgrading. EG had the better year, but FNC were the best team. I've been a diehard FNC fan since 2015 but I would easily prefer if FNC had EG's year 100%.

cartixuzi [#16]

LOCK//IN was very much not a dominant tourney for FNC though due to the final + the shitty bracket and the teams they faced. Again you can argue about it but prestige is all that matters to these players and their orgs. If LoL esports had smth similar to LOCK//IN, nobody's gonna be saying that they'll prefer a back-to-back LOCK//IN and MSI win over Worlds, you're making it sound like competition is more important than prestige and it really isn't. Champions is THE tournament with the highest stakes and the highest pressure to perform.

the difference is in league msi format is completely mickey mouse compared to worlds and its the only event expect worlds,masters literally has the exact same format as champs but with less low tier teams,if u wanna be regarded as the best in the world then winning masters and lock in has a stronger case for u,if u wanna win the most prestigious event then champs,even boostio still after winning champs said fnatic is the best team itw and better than them,its personal preference at that point which u prefer with ur legacy

cartixuzi [#19]

yeah I'm trying to highlight the importance of Champions this year pretty much that a lot of ppl are downgrading. EG had the better year, but FNC were the best team. I've been a diehard FNC fan since 2015 but I would easily prefer if FNC had EG's year 100%.

agreed

Kkonakorner [#20]

the difference is in league msi format is completely mickey mouse compared to worlds and its the only event expect worlds,masters literally has the exact same format as champs but with less low tier teams,if u wanna be regarded as the best in the world then winning masters and lock in has a stronger case for u,if u wanna win the most prestigious event then champs,even boostio still after winning champs said fnatic is the best team itw and better than them,its personal preference at that point which u prefer with ur legacy

MSI's format is better than Worlds now but I can see where ur coming from even though I don't agree with it. Also Boostio's just being humble lol don't take stuff like that literally, I mean they just won Champions idk how anyone can say FNC are currently better than EG that's not a troll.

cartixuzi [#22]

MSI's format is better than Worlds now but I can see where ur coming from even though I don't agree with it. Also Boostio's just being humble lol don't take stuff like that literally, I mean they just won Champions idk how anyone can say FNC are currently better than EG that's not a troll.

bruh who are u to say what hes saying seriously and what not lol,do u really think boostio is the type of guy to say something like that

Kkonakorner [#23]

bruh who are u to say what hes saying seriously and what not lol,do u really think boostio is the type of guy to say something like that

so you're saying, because Boostio said so, that FNC > EG right now even though EG placed 1st and FNC placed 4th. Be fr bro its obvious to spot when sm1 is humble, he glazed PRX the same way after their lost to them and look what happened in the finals.

hard truth is champions will always be 10x more valuable than masters / lock in type tournaments solely because its champions. take cs for example so greatest players eg niko, guardian, elige have won tons of championships but have never won the major so theyll be excluded from goat convo, worlds for val is same as major for cs

cartixuzi [#24]

so you're saying, because Boostio said so, that FNC > EG right now even though EG placed 1st and FNC placed 4th. Be fr bro its obvious to spot when sm1 is humble, he glazed PRX the same way after their lost to them and look what happened in the finals.

apparently winning 1 tournament makes u objectively better than the team who won 2 and beat u 4/5 maps

Kkonakorner [#26]

apparently winning 1 tournament makes u objectively better than the team who won 2 and beat u 4/5 maps

because Champions is just another tournament like Masters and LOCK//IN, ty for forgetting the entire point of my post lol

cartixuzi [#8]

you think any player would say competition > prestige lol, be fr bro

players care about competition orgs care about prestige

cartixuzi [#27]

because Champions is just another tournament like Masters and LOCK//IN, ty for forgetting the entire point of my post lol

u went from saying u can see how winning lock in and masters and finishing top 4 in champs is more impressive than just winning champs to saying it basically doesn't make the team that did it more impressive apparently??

Kkonakorner [#29]

u went from saying u can see how winning lock in and masters and finishing top 4 in champs is more impressive than just winning champs to saying it basically doesn't make the team that did it more impressive apparently??

i dont even know what you're arguing about anymore, I can understand why ppl think FNC's year is better than EG's but I disagree with it because of what I said in my post. You literally just compared Champions as just a tourney like LOCK//IN 20 min ago, you're too hung up on urself bro. You even brought up Boostio out of nowhere then dropped all that once you realized it made no sense lol.

ionlyHave1Zuni [#2]

Only emea cucks think masters and flockins count to anything... Same thing as considering redbull homegrounds and sentinels invitational as international trophys 😴

masters and Lock/in counts too much i think, Lock/in not much because its a fun tournament basically, the format doesnt bring a true competition, but masters its a big tournament to the teams show how good they are

cartixuzi [#30]

i dont even know what you're arguing about anymore, I can understand why ppl think FNC's year is better than EG's but I disagree with it because of what I said in my post. You literally just compared Champions as just a tourney like LOCK//IN 20 min ago, you're too hung up on urself bro. You even brought up Boostio out of nowhere then dropped all that once you realized it made no sense lol.

u said that because eg won champs they are the better team this year? And boostio seems to disagree with u so u just deny it and say he was "being humble" ,if there was any legitimacy to whos the better team based on 1 event fnc should have dominated champs,but they didnt,they can have the more prestigious trophy but they werent objectively a better valorant team than fnc are this year

Kkonakorner [#32]

u said that because eg won champs they are the better team this year? And boostio seems to disagree with u so u just deny it and say he was "being humble" ,if there was any legitimacy to whos the better team based on 1 event fnc should have dominated champs,but they didnt,they can have the more prestigious trophy but they werent objectively a better valorant team than fnc are this year

If you actually read my post (literally the first line) instead of being a blind EU dickrider, you would know that I still think FNC was the best team this year even though EG had the better year. You are arguing with no one right now, so gl with that 👍👍👍

cartixuzi [#33]

If you actually read my post (literally the first line) instead of being a blind EU dickrider, you would know that I still think FNC was the best team this year even though EG had the better year. You are arguing with no one right now, so gl with that 👍👍👍

then wtf are u saying lmaoooo,u are constantly jumping form saying u believe fnatic was the best team this year to saying eg is better because they won champs try to make up ur mind,do u agree with what boostio said or nah?? (also considering u have 1/11th of my posts in about a week i know damn well u will be reading this u aren't fooling anyone👍👍👍)

Which trophy is bigger? Exactly!

two trophies > one trophy

No one cares about prestige, competition matters all here. all the 3 tournaments have the same competition or roughly the same.

yoccuu [#36]

two trophies > one trophy

they are two passing trophies for the circuit to be competitive, but everything is still preparation for champions.