TSM vs. Team Mystic | Champions Tour North America Stage 3: Challengers 2 | Open Qualifier | Valorant match

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#TSMWIN

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#TSMLOSE

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Netero [#2]

#TSMLOSE

rent free

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TSM 13-0

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#TSMLOSE

TSM is rent free in your head KEKW

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13-2 tsm

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tsm wins these no kappa

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free win for tsm this time, but it is futile since they will be crushed by Squirtle Squad later on

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TSM vs T1 , cmon ska autimatic and brax show who tf u all r . gonna be redemtion arc for brax . Good luck T1 kick tsm's ass particularly Tier 2 Player" bang's" ass.

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TSM 0-13 EZ

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When TSM will confirm the signing of Leviathan, is even here already.

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Noone12 [#11]

When TSM will confirm the signing of Leviathan, is even here already.

July 21st

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Whe do TSM apways get the hardest brackets?
ABX RO16
DZ RO8
Doubt they will face DZ tho

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TSM Don't trade

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ILL [#14]

Whe do TSM apways get the hardest brackets?
ABX RO16
DZ RO8
Doubt they will face DZ tho

they get the hardest brackets because of their results, bad results = lower seed!

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ILL [#14]

Whe do TSM apways get the hardest brackets?
ABX RO16
DZ RO8
Doubt they will face DZ tho

Not even the hardest bracket. NRG have to face LG then C9 if they want to qualify which I doubt. And Soniqs, Ghost, FaZe, and IMT are in the same bracket. And any of them could theoretically pop off. I think TSM do have a hard bracket. But it's because they are just a bad team which makes t2 teams look t1. Which in turn gives them a worse seed which makes them have even worse showings against decent teams.

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TSM not going far in these qualies
ps: TSM fan

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Watch Tsm not qualify for ro16 lol.

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abhay [#9]

TSM vs T1 , cmon ska autimatic and brax show who tf u all r . gonna be redemtion arc for brax . Good luck T1 kick tsm's ass particularly Tier 2 Player" bang's" ass.

downbad huh?

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I believe in TSM.

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casual team mystic W

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Aris [#5]

TSM is rent free in your head KEKW

rent free losing ye

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TM 13-0 TSM

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EZ for Wardell

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Asphyxia [#17]

Not even the hardest bracket. NRG have to face LG then C9 if they want to qualify which I doubt. And Soniqs, Ghost, FaZe, and IMT are in the same bracket. And any of them could theoretically pop off. I think TSM do have a hard bracket. But it's because they are just a bad team which makes t2 teams look t1. Which in turn gives them a worse seed which makes them have even worse showings against decent teams.

Andbox and C9 are probably the best teams in these qualifiers.

If TSM can beat Andbox, they have a realistic shot at Berlin.

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Andbox and C9 are probably the best teams in these qualifiers.

If TSM can beat Andbox, they have a realistic shot at Berlin.

IF they can.

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Asphyxia [#27]

IF they can.

Yeah Every match up every team has a chance, TSM if just a bigger IF than other teams

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hope TSM loses so they can actually make real changes

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helohelo [#29]

hope TSM loses so they can actually make real changes

what is a real change to u

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ILL [#14]

Whe do TSM apways get the hardest brackets?
ABX RO16
DZ RO8
Doubt they will face DZ tho

DZ wont make it

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Aris [#30]

what is a real change to u

if tsm loses this what do you think they should do? i know that roster changes arent nessessary with losses, do you think they should swap something with there roster, swap roles, or just keep the same thing and hope that it was just a weird upset? not specifically for this match but for the rest of the open if they lose. want the perspective from a tsm fan bc u prob follow the team more then most ppl shit talking them

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beefcakermaker [#33]

if tsm loses this what do you think they should do? i know that roster changes arent nessessary with losses, do you think they should swap something with there roster, swap roles, or just keep the same thing and hope that it was just a weird upset? not specifically for this match but for the rest of the open if they lose. want the perspective from a tsm fan bc u prob follow the team more then most ppl shit talking them

there are several things that could cause tsm to lose.
1) bang isn’t the real deal and continues to struggle, despite being more comfortable in TSM’s comp. so obviously tsm would have to look for a replacement.
2) subroza has a bad tournament, which means he still struggles with consistency. he would need to be dropped for the sake of the team and himself (so he can find another team in need of a duelist).
3) hazed loses his consistent fragging power and has stale calls again. so we would at least need to find a new IGL and possibly drop hazed altogether.
4) leviathan struggles, but that’s to be expected.
5) wardell struggles, but he’s our best player and his support staff probably let him down. can’t really cut wardell.

TL;DR it’s likely subroza or hazed get benched

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WitLitning [#34]

there are several things that could cause tsm to lose.
1) bang isn’t the real deal and continues to struggle, despite being more comfortable in TSM’s comp. so obviously tsm would have to look for a replacement.
2) subroza has a bad tournament, which means he still struggles with consistency. he would need to be dropped for the sake of the team and himself (so he can find another team in need of a duelist).
3) hazed loses his consistent fragging power and has stale calls again. so we would at least need to find a new IGL and possibly drop hazed altogether.
4) leviathan struggles, but that’s to be expected.
5) wardell struggles, but he’s our best player and his support staff probably let him down. can’t really cut wardell.

TL;DR it’s likely subroza or hazed get benched

I agree. I feel like they should do the C9 treatment though where they just keep on putting in better talent that is replacing it correctly so they can build a core naturally instead of like it being forced like NRG having too many players replaced too quickly. I think they should honestly cut subroza though first. Because even though he has a brand. Wardell literally can carry as a content creator no matter what because he's such a big figure in the community so they'll never drop him even if he does bad. Subroza. Just is kinda ehh at the moment. His agent pool is too confusing. Either they put him on omen which he actually looked amazing on. But he went back to phoenix for a bit which looks ehh bc he lurks too much. And then he plays lurking skye. Which has too many problems with the meta. He should be dropped if he doesn't look good this tournament honestly. TSM won't even be able to go to LCQ anyways if they fail this time so they might as well just start making changes for Stage 1 next year.

They kinda already are starting the C9 treatment. But what I mean by this is first removing subroza if he does shit. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised. And then wait after the LCQ for an IGL which is probably gonna happen because teams are going to prepare for next year already and then they can start building their core effectively.

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Team mystic 2-0 ez

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helohelo [#29]

hope TSM loses so they can actually make real changes

They will make a real change anyways if they dont make it to lsst chance

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Team mystic ez 2-0, will be a total one sided game

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TSM made it to the closed qualifier in stage 2 with Cutler and Drone. If the two new recruitments in the form of Bang and Leviathan are upgrades, then they can get through if they click. They've had a couple of weeks to reset and move forward in a new mindset so hopefully they can do well. If Subroza starts doing well again, then maybe TSM can make it to at least closed.

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we got this

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Team Solo mid

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Hopefully there is a stream?

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So many pathetic eu sen 100t andbox tear 9 fans brigading this page lolol can’t wait to see them cry when tsm wins Berlin

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Excited to see leviathan

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ez for team mystic

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will they stream?

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Last comment before I go on break. TSM 2-0 all the way to berlin

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GetsystheGr8 [#47]

Last comment before I go on break. TSM 2-0 all the way to berlin

dont go on a break =(

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IS THERE A STREAM?

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TSM with the excuse already lmao

https://twitter.com/chetsingh/status/1418288864309952512

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k1ng1namo [#50]

TSM with the excuse already lmao

https://twitter.com/chetsingh/status/1418288864309952512

Lol not sure why he would say that. Doesn't inspire the most confidence

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k1ng1namo [#50]

TSM with the excuse already lmao

https://twitter.com/chetsingh/status/1418288864309952512

lmao! they had MONTHS and hes saying this shit?

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k1ng1namo [#50]

TSM with the excuse already lmao

https://twitter.com/chetsingh/status/1418288864309952512

i’m so sick of this failure of a coach.

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stream?

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TSM with the excuse already lmao

https://twitter.com/chetsingh/status/1418288864309952512

Its not might be the team that's bad. It might be the coach. After all he is the one giving you ideas and orders of what you need to do. And I guess he is making the team comp as well

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TSM will likely lose to 303 or Squirtle Squad.

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ChupappiWardell [#3]

rent free

win free*

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yana-banana [#55]

Its not might be the team that's bad. It might be the coach. After all he is the one giving you ideas and orders of what you need to do. And I guess he is making the team comp as well

you are describing a position for a useless person

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So who's going to stream this?

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SerPneu [#59]

So who's going to stream this?

nobody since TSM obviously asked for NO STREAM since they know they suck.

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dont have to watch, I already know TSM will dominate.

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k1ng1namo [#50]

TSM with the excuse already lmao

https://twitter.com/chetsingh/status/1418288864309952512

brooo thats called a "JOKE"

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stream
https://www.twitch.tv/beast3po

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rent free losing ye

like 100t losing to sen and xset

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SerPneu [#59]

So who's going to stream this?

go to cutlers stream

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EndOfWorld [#60]

nobody since TSM obviously asked for NO STREAM since they know they suck.

i dont think brimstone gaming fan should be the one talking KEKW

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like 100t losing to sen and xset

idc they played very good

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TSM 0-13 EZ

L

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Hopefully there is a stream?

Yea got to cutlers stream

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Elol [#38]

Team mystic ez 2-0, will be a total one sided game

L

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So who's going to stream this?

Cutler

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What is the point of picking up bang, a smokes main, only to put him on duelist. I want TSM to do well but i don't think this is the play

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win free*

you right free win for tsm

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still lost

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SsageDell??????????

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TBH, TSM FTX is going aginst a washed iron team, no wonder they are winning 13-1, however when they go against actually skilled teams, its over for TSM KEKW

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tsm looking saucy rn

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NithProYT_TSMLOSE [#77]

TBH, TSM FTX is going aginst a washed iron team, no wonder they are winning 13-1, however when they go against actually skilled teams, its over for TSM KEKW

KEEP WISHING KEKW

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+36... smurfing

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Netero [#2]

#TSMLOSE

EZ WIN

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hacklesacka [#22]

casual team mystic W

CASUAL L EZ W FOR TSM

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when wardell is on w op, hes actually GOATEd

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KEEP WISHING KEKW

wish what? it happened before, they lost against NOBLE, a no name

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Team mystic 2-0 ez

L KEKW

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wish what? it happened before, they lost against NOBLE, a no name

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ez for team mystic

L

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NithProYT_TSMLOSE [#87]

wish what? it happened before, they lost against NOBLE, a no name

noble was number 11 NA before disbanding and mostly doing well in teir 2 tourneys. Not saying tsm should have lost that but they arnt a no name at all

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levi 4 hs% on map 2 KEKW

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levi 4 hs% on map 2 KEKW

it says 17% tho???

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noble was number 11 NA before disbanding and mostly doing well in teir 2 tourneys. Not saying tsm should have lost that but they arnt a no name at all

They act like noble is a t3 team. Even 100t the literal 2nd best team in NA had to go to a 3rd map with them, and ALMOST lost too. I'd say that TSM will go to ro16 pretty easily and from there, idk. I hope the best for them them

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it says 17% tho???

he meant map 1 i guess

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wish what? it happened before, they lost against NOBLE, a no name

you were saying?

	Trauhmatic TM	Tayz TM	Volt TM	Bayonet TM	Apqa TM
hazed TSM	10 3 +7	6 0 +6	5 1 +4	3 1 +2	2 0 +2
LeviathanAG TSM	2 3 -1	3 2 +1	2 2 +0	6 3 +3	4 1 +3
Subroza TSM	3 3 +0	5 6 -1	7 3 +4	7 2 +5	7 3 +4
WARDELL TSM	8 2 +6	8 2 +6	10 0 +10	7 0 +7	11 4 +7
bang TSM	5 2 +3	7 3 +4	5 1 +4	5 1 +4	4 2 +2

	Trauhmatic TM	Tayz TM	Volt TM	Bayonet TM	Apqa TM
hazed TSM	0 1 -1
LeviathanAG TSM				2 0 +2	1 0 +1
Subroza TSM	1 1 +0	4 2 +2	2 1 +1		1 0 +1
WARDELL TSM	1 0 +1	3 0 +3	1 0 +1		1 1 +0
bang TSM	2 0 +2	2 0 +2	1 0 +1	1 0 +1

	Trauhmatic TM	Tayz TM	Volt TM	Bayonet TM	Apqa TM
hazed TSM
LeviathanAG TSM
Subroza TSM		0 1 -1
WARDELL TSM	4 0 +4	6 0 +6	6 0 +6	3 0 +3	7 0 +7
bang TSM

	2K	3K	4K	1v1	1v3	1v4	ECON	PL	DE
WARDELL TSM	7	6	2				149	3	0
hazed TSM	6	1		1			88	3	2
Subroza TSM	6	2					79	1	1
bang TSM	7	2					77	4	1
LeviathanAG TSM	1		1			1	39	4	2
Tayz TM	1	1					37	2	0
Volt TM	2						31	3	0
Bayonet TM							22	1	0
Trauhmatic TM	1		1	1	1		35	0	0
Apqa TM	1						44	2	1

	Trauhmatic TM	Tayz TM	Volt TM	Bayonet TM	Apqa TM
hazed TSM	9 1 +8	4 0 +4	3 1 +2	2 0 +2	1 0 +1
LeviathanAG TSM	0 1 -1	2 0 +2	0 1 -1	4 3 +1	0 1 -1
Subroza TSM	1 2 -1	3 3 +0	4 1 +3	2 1 +1	5 2 +3
WARDELL TSM	3 1 +2	3 1 +2	4 0 +4	3 0 +3	5 2 +3
bang TSM	1 1 +0	2 2 +0	3 0 +3	2 0 +2	2 1 +1

	2K	3K	1v1	ECON	PL	DE
WARDELL TSM	5 Round 1 Trauhmatic Bayonet Round 3 Bayonet Apqa Round 6 Tayz Bayonet Round 11 Tayz Apqa Round 13 Trauhmatic Volt	2 Round 2 Tayz Volt Apqa Round 9 Trauhmatic Volt Apqa		81	3	0
hazed TSM	6 Round 3 Trauhmatic Volt Round 4 Tayz Trauhmatic Round 8 Trauhmatic Bayonet Round 9 Tayz Bayonet Round 10 Trauhmatic Volt Round 11 Trauhmatic Volt	1 Round 12 Tayz Apqa Trauhmatic	1 Round 4 Trauhmatic	105	2	1
Subroza TSM	2 Round 8 Volt Apqa Round 13 Apqa Bayonet	2 Round 1 Tayz Apqa Volt Round 5 Tayz Volt Bayonet		75	1	1
bang TSM	3 Round 7 Tayz Volt Round 10 Bayonet Apqa Round 14 Volt Trauhmatic			64	3	0
LeviathanAG TSM				37	3	0
Tayz TM				42	1	0
Volt TM				28	0	0
Bayonet TM				26	1	0
Trauhmatic TM	1 Round 4 LeviathanAG WARDELL			38	0	0
Apqa TM	1 Round 7 WARDELL Subroza			55	0	1

	2K	3K	4K	1v1	1v3	1v4	ECON	PL	DE
WARDELL TSM	2 Round 4 Tayz Volt Round 13 Apqa Bayonet	4 Round 1 Tayz Bayonet Trauhmatic WARDELL Round 3 Tayz Bayonet Apqa Round 10 Apqa Trauhmatic Volt Round 11 Volt Tayz Apqa	2 Round 5 Volt Apqa Trauhmatic Bayonet Round 8 Tayz Trauhmatic Volt Apqa				217	0	0
hazed TSM							71	1	1
Subroza TSM	4 Round 6 Tayz Bayonet Round 7 Apqa Bayonet Round 9 Bayonet Volt Round 11 Bayonet Trauhmatic						82	0	0
bang TSM	4 Round 2 Bayonet Tayz Round 10 Tayz Bayonet Round 13 Trauhmatic Tayz Round 15 Bayonet Trauhmatic	2 Round 7 Tayz Volt Trauhmatic Round 9 Trauhmatic Tayz Apqa					90	1	1
LeviathanAG TSM	1 Round 6 Apqa Trauhmatic		1 Round 14 Bayonet Volt Apqa Trauhmatic			1 Round 14 Apqa Trauhmatic Volt Bayonet	40	1	2
Tayz TM	1 Round 13 LeviathanAG Subroza	1 Round 1 Subroza LeviathanAG bang					31	1	0
Volt TM	2 Round 8 Subroza LeviathanAG Round 14 Subroza bang						34	3	0
Bayonet TM							17	0	0
Trauhmatic TM			1 Round 2 Subroza LeviathanAG hazed bang	1 Round 1 WARDELL	1 Round 2 bang LeviathanAG hazed		32	0	0
Apqa TM							32	2	0