Heretics as a franchised org

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Can this failure of an org finally get relegated from franchise? They sign bots, have no legacy in any discipline and no fans outside of Spain, add Virtus.Pro
or Spirit to franchise and they will make a top 3 team itw easily.

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Fut is a top 3 emea team and They have a completely new roster calm down

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so does FUT

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but I agree. Heretics did decent last year. not every team can win

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Heretics was completely shit last year. Not decent

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true. franchising is rough

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LMAO

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Akukko

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Fut legit upgraded from last year

cNed is very experienced so it makes adaptations so much easier compared to 3 new youngsters

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Sentinel and duelist are the easiest roles to replace

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No they don't tho

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they have a new roster but with superior players with previous tier 1 experience, wo0t, miniboo and riens are tier two players

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Lecadi

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Top 3?????? You mean Top 5

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They are easily top 3 if not top 2.

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thats because the level of competition in EMEA is awful outside of Fnatic.

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exactly

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They are giving chance to new talent
If virtus or spirit come they will do the same .... It's a gamble , and also the org is good and it's first map new roster
I'll bomb u

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Virtus pro would sign all the cis talent like nAts/Suygetsu kr1stal chronicle something/demon1 and sheydos/shao, they won't sign bots.

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cholikarr

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And why would all those players leave their team and join virtus ?

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To speak their mothertongue obviously, also not having to carry bots from their previous teams a nice bonus. VP have more money than most orgs anyway so salary is a factor too.

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Falcons and BetBoom also have insane cash. They could get these 5 (-Chronichel cause he isnt leaving fnc) easily.

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MneMaloMaloMaloTebya

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если бы они пришли в лигу, мы бы выиграли всё 😅 это несправедливо

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patuj

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What? There's nothing wrong with Heretics team building this year. They got great signings. First game with little practise, young team, against a team that has good core + cNed who is top tier Jett.

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Oh wow, last year also was a new team,we should give them time to place top 10 EMEA and not qualify anywhere again.

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Holy new level of brain rot

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patuj

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I hated their team building last year. Difference is that they are actually signing young talent with big potential this time around.

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Minib0t is for sure a young talent with 0.84 rating in ascension, gets a franchised slot instead of players like b1sk izzy or sociablee

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patuj

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MiniBoo had weak Ascension performance, but outside of that he has been performing well for most part

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What's there outside of ascension 💀

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patuj

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Regional leagues? Ofc the competition isn't as high, but performing well in those definitely shows you have potential. Constantly being top player and MVP in league like Spain is promising.

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hard to find talent within such a dreadful talentless region but i respect the try

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CIS is the best region on valorant by far, but there's no CIS representation in franchise, in every EMEA team cis players have to carry eu bots.

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i mean there is kind of a war over there...

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Kirya

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wow bro it matters so much
politics and esports are surely related!

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bro is delulu

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Laski

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Hmmm, it seems to me that MiniBoo was hired as a duelist most likely because he is a blood relative of Boo. And he never did well at EMEA Ascension.

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I remembered that generally ppl from turkey love ascent and are good at it. Am I wrong? So fut was destined to win from the start.

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xou6s

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are the virtus.pro fans outside russia here in the room with us?

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Kirya

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me

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Itsover

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There are Spirit as well with way bigger esports legacy than Heretics will ever achieve.

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Alexziin

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Never bro

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if you mean 5 likes per twitter post, then yeah

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Itsover

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If you mean 400k USD in 5 years in all disciplines combined then yeah

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xou6s

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they are not relevant since 2017, just let it go brother

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Itsover

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VP won a cs major recently, spirit won a 15 mil DotA tournament and are about to win their second ti. Better than anything Heretics will ever achieve

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Mortadelo

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You realize TH just bought a 30M dollar LEC spot last year right

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Itsover

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Wow bro, too bad they can't buy titles.

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Stick to have cgrs my Russian friend

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Stick to taking siesta during elimination VCC games, my Brazilian friend.

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Flair

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Itsover

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Best team to ever exist in Valorant, what's wrong with the flair?

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the best team wouldve won two internationals in a row

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Itsover

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D3ffo got a brainlag at 12-11 2-1 championship point, shit happens.

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Er3ngenes1s

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well they were the best pre-franchising team then cuz they were close to winning back to back titles

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Er3ngenes1s

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dont focus on fokus 🗿

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I agree. Big died for this

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Remember how FUT was absolute crap in the off-season last year and made it to both Tokyo and Los Angeles with the same team in VCT

Stop evaluating teams based on their off-season performances. Teams with new players need time.

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if you guys did this then EMEA would only have 3/4 teams in franchising lol

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widepeepofrosty

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i wholeheartedly agree, cis carries eu's ass and forever will

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Mortadelo

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Bro's clearly still salty about this https://www.vlr.gg/30063/gydom-galva-vs-gambit-esports-dreamhack-beyond-europe-lr7

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Mickey mouse tournament where Gambit clearly didn't care.

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Mortadelo

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Even if they weren't trying they went on to win masters 3 3 months later, that was prime GMB getting clapped by a 15 year old

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Er3ngenes1s

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the best teams in the world sometimes do have bad games bozo. let this be embedded in ur brain

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Mortadelo

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And means the other guys didn't play well? Does that take the credit away?

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Er3ngenes1s

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Nobody is saying that they didnt play well, it's just gambit is one of the best teams in history of valorant and losses like that doesnt mean that they arent good

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Mortadelo

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So you think by pulling a random bo1 game stats I'm implying GMB is not good?
Bro I'm trynna tell this dude he's clueless if he thinks TH's rosters doesn't have an insane potential, this is not about GMB

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Er3ngenes1s

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ok sorry my bad. i thought of it the other way 👍

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Mortadelo

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All good then

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Mortadelo how do you have so many posts

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BUMP!!!!!!

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Ryukzerr

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Bro went looking for this smh

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bump

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spykje

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nt

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Itsover

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now i think we should kick botvi tbh, but anyway Spirit and VP to franchise