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if the world was right

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#1
balax

after seeing the meL news and this website's meltdown lets see if the points people make, make sense.

for the sake of this we will be using the 2023 rosters (whatever the teams were b4 champs) and we will go across the franchised leagues and go with teams that speak english (to my knowledge, tell me if i miss out on any teams).
lets say she wants to igl even willing to co igl and or midround.
she will be playing control and senti.
she also gets a fair chance and all we have to see is the games she has played for V1 and C9W, (we will also consider the 'skill gap' between GC and T1/T2)
im not considering female/male friendships or whatever people are saying because as the title says. if the world is right, so in this hypothetical world everyone is friends

so lets see who she would possibly replace if there was trials

teams that speak english
Paper Rex d4v41 mindfreak something f0rsakeN Jinggg
do i need to say more??? do they need an igl??? mindfreak(smokes)? d4v41(senti)?

Global Esports AYRIN Bazzi WRONSKI t3xture Monyet Lightningfast SkRossi
aryin? sure ill give you guys that one

Fnatic Mistic Boaster Alfajer Chronicle Derke
FNATIC? she replace boaster(igl)? chronicle(smokes)? alfa (senti)???

Team Liquid Jamppi soulcas Sayf Redgar nAts
TL: i can hear an argument for Redgar if im closing both eyes. i can hear people saying she could replace soulcas as well

Sentinels TenZ marved zekken sacy pANcada
replacing champs winning pANcada on senti or even smokes?? marved as an igl? maybe sure but fragging? i dont think so

Cloud9 jakee leaf Xeppaa Zellsis runi
maybe with MCE's coaching she could do what jakee did and with runi igling both of which are first year pros picked out of college.

100 Thieves Asuna Cryocells bang Stellar Derrek
bang? i can hear that. stellar as well? sure

Evil Geniuses Boostio demon1 jawgemo C0M Ethan
maybe she can be a better igl then boostio but is she better then demon1 and jawgemo when they play smokes

NRG Victor s0m FNS Crashies Ardiis
FNS? THE MASTERMIND? REALLY??? s0ms in 2023? the form he was on? yeah no

so in total if im being lenient and she got trials the players she could replace are
AYRIN
Redgar
soulcas
marved(????????????)
jakee
runi
bang
stellar
boostio

that is 9 people who she could possibly replace if there were trials.

we also have to note that slasher could be on the freeze pipe and that her old org did not want to let her go.

personally if you want to eventually reach T1 you have to show you can work it out in the lower tiers or have some prior experience which is at the T2 or T3 level
may not be the right comparison but its like a high school kid going to the nba out from high school, other then lebron and kobe who else can say theyve been as sucessful.
everyone goes to college (T2/T3) before reaching the big time. maybe she could make the jump maybe not

this is how i see it, of course i could be on some freeze pipe as i type this as well but let me know what you think.

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SEN_brasileiros
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MeL cannot replace anyone, sadly.

Imagine if she had Sacy as teammate.. "Sacy is toxic, I'll go to court against him!"
Also, too hard to be harsh against woman because she 100% would cry and tell things to her bf, making even more beef.
Any other pro player would be called misogynist or some shit if they argue or complain too much
Males are already used to this scenario of competition since childhood, its our instinct.
Status, conquer, fame.
Mix = male scene, accept this fucking fact.

#5
avenger50000
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This makes no sense whatsoever. What in the world? 😂😂😂

#6
SEN_brasileiros
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nah bro
I just said that if Les was a girl and the way Sacy treated him, Sacy would have been canceled for his life.
It's just too much difference, we treat man and woman different.

#9
Typer
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True lol.

#14
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer
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good point holy

#16
SEN_brasileiros
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:D

#17
TheHardStuckImmortal
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Thats just a bad faith argument based on random assumptions.

#24
propulsion
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huh? bros lost🙏

#31
TheHardStuckImmortal
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How? His entire argument that meL cannot be on a team is based on a bad faith assumption that she would blame misogyny if there was any conflict. Why are people assuming that this is the case from the getgo.

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bonkashi
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what did i even just read holy fucking brainrot

#32
CoCloudy
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generalising an entire gender like that is crazy bro
your telling me literally the most discriminated player base getting hurt after someone saying something??
gc players literally played through toxic environments from the start of their career just because they were a female
You really dont think this is the one minority that would deal with toxicity the best? having had so much experience with it???

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer
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good shit

i still dont think anybody from gc can play in high t2 let alone t1

reality

#13
bearmans
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arguable. i think some of them can play in any T2 team. but yeah, for T1 team i don't think so.

#15
balax
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the name that keeps coming up is the duelist like flor and sonder which i guess makes sense as they can just roll the competition but the question is, can they do it at a higher tier

i could also be wrong on this but some GC teams pay more than T1 and T2 teams so some may not even see the risk

#4
FoechiGG
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Would probably be better for her to play on a t2 roster for a year

#10
balax
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yep i agree. i think she has to be built up and really learn just like everyone else

#7
avenger50000
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There is also be an argument to be made that there are better players in the Male scene itself who can replace these players better than her. I'm all for trials though. Would love to hear your opinion on this.

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balax
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the orgs have the right to call anyone up for trials they could even call some random vlr user if they wanted too. if anyone ever trials her and it doesnt go good then it doesnt, gg keep grinding. if it does and they like what they and want to consider her then thats amazing and i also semi agree with your view on there being current better players for sure like there are a list of player she could be better or on par with

maybe there is a part of me being naive but i dont know if anyone would ever go up to their coach/manager/org and tell them straight to their faces that they dont want her to trial because she is a women.

#11
Zephyros
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can their be a possibility shes using the "its bcs im a girl" card when in reality she wasnt up to the standards reqd

#12
balax
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of course that is a possibility and i could be wrong but just be wrong but i do not think that she would do such a thing like this.

firstly it just discredits everything she is trying to build and just makes the GC scene look bad in my opinion

secondly i agree with you her possibly not being up to standards like there is a gap in play from t1 and the rest of the tiers, even t2 (but some people think its a small gap) but for her to just run an excuse and not grind and try to get better would also not show the right attitude imo so i highly doubt that would be the case

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CoCloudy
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no it was literally all exposed from slasher, meL didn't say a single word about this until articles popped up

#18
khayso
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As someone who's competed in scrims against top GC teams in EMEA I can safely tell there is a significant skill gap between male and female rosters, even male tier3/tier4 can outclass tier1 GC.

Mel shouldn't be judged by her gender but you can see why there's some people hesitant to take a female player into T1 when there's alot of male talent equivalent if not better than GC in t2/t3.

#19
balax
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i have to agree with you khayso, it slipped my mind when i was typing all this. but a while ago i was talking to an GC emea player(who i will not name for their anonymity) who is a top player and plays who a top team and they admitted that often when they scrim male teams they run into diffcults and when someone asked her if she were to play tenz or her she did not hesitate in saying tenz and admitting there is a skill gap.

#20
nutab1e
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balax = ballsax = isaax28?

return of the GOAT 🐐

#22
elayaCL
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Lord of VLR 3: the return of the king

#34
balax
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im not the goat in any sense, just trying to think reasonably and make sense of the situation like any humble king would

#21
yaiima0
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its crazy that all this drama happened even tho Mel didnt really have anything to do with it, she wanted to keep it on the low which was pretty interesting.

#23
iann_21
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let me tell you, theres two parameters for this thing
1) if you consider skills only and consider equality of gender, there are many men players skilled than mel, who, if any of the team wanted to sign would have signed them any ways. also if the team did not wanted to sign those good players and was happy with their current roster, its their choice anyways.(so gender does not matter here)
2) if we consider the gender factor, it is a known fact for sure that female players lack skills, so there can be a biased approach, but since riot hosts a special tournament for females, they should focus on it rather fight over it. if the gc tournaments were not hosted, and then a girl was rejected, then the things would have been different.
+girls are emotionally weaker, so if a team is losing the only thing running through a girls mind will be, "i am the only girl in team, my team is gonna blame on me " which will put more pressure on her.

#27
yaiima0
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How are girls emotionally weaker im confused lol

#25
espeon
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funny how mel wanted this on the low low and slasher just outright violates that

but personally i think MOST players, male and female, can be developed into tier 1 talent regardless of their current skill. some will falter as with a lot of players but i think under the right circumstances gc players can thrive and dominate, it will just take time for it to develop due to conditions placed on gc by riot and teams in general

#26
symbols07
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didnt the team with zombs prod sinatraa etc finished way ahead of v1? like she surely has to prove in t2 before she even thinks of trials

#29
espeon
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its kinda funny considering back when she was on c9 teams like kcp wanted to trial her but pre sure c9 said “no” idk if im misremembering thi

#30
tsmsobadholy
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she wouldn't be an upgrade on any of those players not even LFT soulass

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