If FNC, who have the best players in each role of all EMEA, can’t win tournaments how will they ever improve from here. Better regions like Americas/Pacific/China have their best players spread across teams and still compete.
FNC at Tokyo is the peak of EMEA valorant history and they will never reach these heights again.🤷🏼♂️
GolemTison [#2]Lil bro can't stop talking about EMEA even when Loud vs PRX is taking place
I can’t help it my region is terrible😡😡
jaynewton [#6]Thats true, outside of FNC none of the other eu teams are nearly as good lmao
Maybe the offseason roster shuffle will make EMEA not a one team region afterwards?
EU has way more talents than NA lmao
CremeOnToast [#4]I can’t help it my region is terrible😡😡
as a NA user i have to admit that EU is light years ahead of us.
RealDeal [#9]as a NA user i have to admit that EU is light years ahead of us.
RealDeal my fellow american
GolemTison [#7]EU has way more talents than NA lmao
Just delusional if you think that, literally no EU team outside of FNC beat a single NA team this year lmfao
All those 'talents' yet only 1 team capable of achieving any sort of deep placement? Stop lying to yourself
NA has better quality talents, EU might have more mediocre T2 players, i guess
jaynewton [#13]Just delusional if you think that, literally no EU team outside of FNC beat a single NA team this year lmfao
All those 'talents' yet only 1 team capable of achieving any sort of deep placement? Stop lying to yourself
NA has better quality talents, EU might have more mediocre T2 players, i guess
EU playerbase >>>>> NA playerbase
Way more talents in EU, you are delusional lil brah
NioMS [#8]What happened these past years?
All of the regions had superteams (Loud, Drx, Leviathan, Optic) except for EMEA and EMEA still dominated so pipe down
Not one of those teams had the best players in each role for their entire regions. FNC no question have the best 5 in EMEA in each position. Optic and LOUD made medium players great but they were not formed by the best in each role. DRX also does not have the best in each role of all pacific. Lev🤡🫵, no way u think they r a super team bro🤣
jaynewton [#13]Just delusional if you think that, literally no EU team outside of FNC beat a single NA team this year lmfao
All those 'talents' yet only 1 team capable of achieving any sort of deep placement? Stop lying to yourself
NA has better quality talents, EU might have more mediocre T2 players, i guess
Don’t argue with golem, look at his logs just pure brain dead troll
jaynewton [#13]Just delusional if you think that, literally no EU team outside of FNC beat a single NA team this year lmfao
All those 'talents' yet only 1 team capable of achieving any sort of deep placement? Stop lying to yourself
NA has better quality talents, EU might have more mediocre T2 players, i guess
maybe because franchising in emea was by far the worst, literally every team expect navi got a entirely new lineup and frauds like heretics,kcrp,bbl etc nerfed the competition so much,so many shit signings
jaynewton [#13]Just delusional if you think that, literally no EU team outside of FNC beat a single NA team this year lmfao
All those 'talents' yet only 1 team capable of achieving any sort of deep placement? Stop lying to yourself
NA has better quality talents, EU might have more mediocre T2 players, i guess
I think the amount of talent is very similar, but EMEA keeps recycling old mfs like Mixwell. If they utilize the good T2 players and focus on young talent, EMEA will not be a one team region by next year.
Kkonakorner [#20]maybe because franchising in emea was by far the worst, literally every team expect navi got a entirely new lineup and frauds like heretics,kcrp,bbl etc nerfed the competition so much,so many shit signings
So? for Pacific you have a fair argument since DRX and PRX remained at the top with the same rosters, but in Americas Every single team made at least 2 roster spot changes (except for 100T who are one of the worst teams in the region).
CremeOnToast [#15]Not one of those teams had the best players in each role for their entire regions. FNC no question have the best 5 in EMEA in each position. Optic and LOUD made medium players great but they were not formed by the best in each role. DRX also does not have the best in each role of all pacific. Lev🤡🫵, no way u think they r a super team bro🤣
Drx had (still has) all the best Korean players
Loud had all the best Brazilian players
Optic did have all the best player in their role don't cap
FNS best IGL
Marved best controller
Yay best duelist
Crashies best initiator
Victor best flex
OK the best Latam talent was spread out between Krü and Leviathan
RealDeal [#9]as a NA user i have to admit that EU is light years ahead of us.
dawg you ain't slick you're literally from belarus and you support gambit esports
Ballsamolee [#25]dawg you ain't slick you're literally from belarus and you support gambit esports
I am american
Flumplestiltski [#23]So? for Pacific you have a fair argument since DRX and PRX remained at the top with the same rosters, but in Americas Every single team made at least 2 roster spot changes (except for 100T who are one of the worst teams in the region).
2 roster changes isnt a big deal, they still have the same core,they are just upgrades to a already existing team,every team in eu expect navi created a entirely new lineup
NioMS [#24]Drx had (still has) all the best Korean players
Loud had all the best Brazilian players
Optic did have all the best player in their role don't cap
FNS best IGL
Marved best controller
Yay best duelist
Crashies best initiator
Victor best flexOK the best Latam talent was spread out between Krü and Leviathan
Bro u think countries r the same as the designated regions in Val?🤡🫵. There is EMEA, Pacific, and Americas. OPTC and LOUD split the best players in Americas. DRX and PRX split the best in Pacific. There is no argument for EMEA FNC r the best 5. If I wanted to make ur argument then EMEA teams would have to all be from the same country which none of them are???
CremeOnToast [#29]Bro u think countries r the same as the designated regions in Val?🤡🫵. There is EMEA, Pacific, and Americas. OPTC and LOUD split the best players in Americas. DRX and PRX split the best in Pacific. There is no argument for EMEA FNC r the best 5. If I wanted to make ur argument then EMEA teams would have to all be from the same country which none of them are???
dw bro, he thinks EMEA never had superteams during the past 3 years, yet forgets what FPX, Gambit, and Fnatic were.
Kkonakorner [#28]2 roster changes isnt a big deal, they still have the same core,they are just upgrades to a already existing team,every team in eu expect navi created a entirely new lineup
I said at least two numerous teams changed essentially their entire rosters but sure just focus on the part you can cope against. FNC only made two so discredit them as a team ig.
aksdee [#26]Just wait till CS2 comes out Valorant in EU will completely die
When cs2 comes out, Val will be the exact same. People who swapped to val from CS, couldn't stay in T2. Only people who'll swap back, are the people who got banned in csgo, and their ban was uplifted.
Raevus [#30]dw bro, he thinks EMEA never had superteams during the past 3 years, yet forgets what FPX, Gambit, and Fnatic were.
fnatic was a super team at what point exactly???
Raevus [#32]When cs2 comes out, Val will be the exact same. People who swapped to val from CS, couldn't stay in T2. Only people who'll swap back, are the people who got banned in csgo, and their ban was uplifted.
I think if valorant players went back they would succeed better than before. More competitive experience, fundamentals etc. I been smoking people on faceit whenever I went back playing it
aksdee [#26]Just wait till CS2 comes out Valorant in EU will completely die
It will kill tier 2 valorant in NA,
IF Valve addresses the main issues that forced all those teams/players to leave.
lyNxi [#33]Fnatic loses 1 bo3 and they are a bad team again.
Who said they were bad? just said they peaked in Tokyo bc they didn’t lose a series and they lost one now
Flumplestiltski [#31]I said at least two numerous teams changed essentially their entire rosters but sure just focus on the part you can cope against. FNC only made two so discredit them as a team ig.
u said at least 2 because there was like 3 teams who made a new rosters stop exaggerating,when did i "discredit" them as teams,i meant that changing ur core and making a new lineup is way different than 2 roster changes,and now look at those 3 who made new teams in americas, c9 had a honeymoon run and returned to mediocrity, Sen was trash,and kru was horrible,managed to fluke lcq somehow and got destroyed by giants lol
Kkonakorner [#34]fnatic was a super team at what point exactly???
last year - Boaster top5 igl itw, derke top3 duelist itw,.
It's harder for people to rank igls, but boaster has led a team to playoffs consistently for the past 3 years when having his full 5.
Derke was a top3 duellist itw for a consistent 2 years.
Alfajer only really came into proper form this year, but was always considered a star player from his pickup. He just found his stride towards the end of last year.
Thinking Fnatic wernt a superteam given 3 members being in the top5/10 for their role, is insane. Plus when they first picked up Alfajer is when people started talking about them building a superteam. Just when they got Leo and Chronicle, it cemented that their team is a superteam. It's just there's no debate regarding it now.
PoohShiesty [#36]It will kill tier 2 valorant in NA,
IF Valve addresses the main issues that forced all those teams/players to leave.
Yeah, the NA scene will take the hardest hit from CS2.
Emea, I think will sit the same, or t2 might take a hit from people trying to seek success, only to return, or stagnate even worse.
Raevus [#39]last year - Boaster top5 igl itw, derke top3 duelist itw,.
It's harder for people to rank igls, but boaster has led a team to playoffs consistently for the past 3 years when having his full 5.
Derke was a top3 duellist itw for a consistent 2 years.
Alfajer only really came into proper form this year, but was always considered a star player from his pickup. He just found his stride towards the end of last year.Thinking Fnatic wernt a superteam given 3 members being in the top5/10 for their role, is insane. Plus when they first picked up Alfajer is when people started talking about them building a superteam. Just when they got Leo and Chronicle, it cemented that their team is a superteam. It's just there's no debate regarding it now.
yeah for sure bro
Kkonakorner [#42]yeah for sure bro
Even if people didn't consider fnatic a superteam before this year, Gambit was considered one in 2021, and FPX was one in 2022.
Original argument was EMEA not having superteams to be successful, when Gambit was one of the earliest teams in val to be considered one.
RealDeal [#9]as a NA user i have to admit that EU is light years ahead of us.
where did your stars go
B1itz [#44]where did your stars go
i got banned and before i had full stars. i come back and theyre all gone and i have to wait 5 minutes between replys
Raevus [#43]Even if people didn't consider fnatic a superteam before this year, Gambit was considered one in 2021, and FPX was one in 2022.
Original argument was EMEA not having superteams to be successful, when Gambit was one of the earliest teams in val to be considered one.
yeah man
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