FNC isnt the goat team if they win champs

Thats gonna be a hot take so buckle up. I as a chronicle fanboy through and through say that FNC will only be tied if not even lower to OPTIC and LOUD for being the best team in history.

FNC is the only team in history to win 2 international titles, and they are probably going to win this one as well, which obviously is a great argument for them being nr. 1 of all time. From an individual perspective I would even agree that they are the greatest team of all time. The only team that is on a comparable level in terms of firepower is LOUD in 2022.

The issue with fnatics run is that since franchising started competition just got worse and worse, and you can only really judge the greatness of a team by how good their opposition is. The evemts they have won so far really had bad competition. One was single elimination when no team had any reps, and in the other ones the 2 best teams were one team with a standin for their superstar and the other one is EG who arent even a top 10 team of all time.

FNC isnt really that much better then the sum of their parts really. The team who got the most of their parts is probably Optic. Loud on the other hand just is the perfect mix of individuals and overall team performance.

fnc would smoke optic and loud

bro is gonna get hate for speaking the truth

future w gonna read allat no cap fax

They already are the GOAT team. No need to win Champs for that

FNC will only be tied if not even lower to OPTIC and LOUD for being the best team in history.

No team has ever won every big event in the entire season.
No team has won both Champions and Masters in one season.
If FNATIC win Champions, they will be the first, and thus the best team in the world WITHOUT QUESTION.

Also, that's like saying s1mple isn't one of the GOATs in CSGO even though he won a slew of achievements, including ones which other GOATs such as ZyWOo will never achieve. Also same as saying that dev1ce isn't one of the GOATs despite winning 4 majors in the span of two years (two or three back-to-back majors)

TrialRunnr [#3]

bro is gonna get hate for speaking the truth

OPTIC core lost to no-name Chinese team LMFAO.
It's not the truth whatsoever.

what do you smoke looks very bad...

Archie___ [#7]

OPTIC core lost to no-name Chinese team LMFAO.
It's not the truth whatsoever.

and Fnatic lost to Geekay esports and the Fnatic core lost to 100t with Will lmao

I read "chronicle femboy" and was wondering where this was going. i disagree tho, obv its like fnc, prx, eg and a BIGGGGG gap but all those below that are relatively close enough to eachother. also discrediting fnc bc the competition is mid is such a wild take, u want them to int and make it close? the fact that theyre dominating proves how far ahead they are ahead of everyone which is what a goat is, no other team has demonstrated this amount of dominance before. if u take prime sen and current fnc, its not even close how much fnc dominates the scene at the time

TrialRunnr [#9]

and Fnatic lost to Geekay esports and the Fnatic core lost to 100t with Will lmao

Pulling stats from 2022 isn't helping your case.

EDIT: Oh it's also a Bo1. And it went to OT. Yeah you thought it'd make more of an impact on your point, didn't you?

CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#4]

future w gonna read allat no cap fax

read allat

🧇🧇🧇🧇🧇🧇🧇🧇🧇 FNATIC IS 🐐🐐🐐🐐

Archie___ [#11]

Pulling stats from 2022 isn't helping your case.

EDIT: Oh it's also a Bo1. And it went to OT. Yeah you thought it'd make more of an impact on your point, didn't you?

Why? just cus concentrating on one year benefits Fnatic doesnt mean history doesnt exist.

Yessirskiiii [#5]

They already are the GOAT team. No need to win Champs for that

common Yesssirskiiii W

TrialRunnr [#13]

Why? just cus concentrating on one year benefits Fnatic doesnt mean history doesnt exist.

they literally destroyed them in a rematch and they destroyed them this year aswell. dont know what your point is

mrGoudas [#2]

fnc would smoke optic and loud

ok but so would eg prx and honestly atp even drx might beat optic (probs not loud tho). every team in the game gets better as time goes on.

mrGoudas [#15]

they literally destroyed them in a rematch and they destroyed them this year aswell. dont know what your point is

that great teams lose is what my point is, its pretty clear if you read the exchange.

Is the competition really worse? Or is it just fnatic making them look that bad?

Mapusaurus [#18]

Is the competition really worse? Or is it just fnatic making them look that bad?

The second one

if the competition got "worse" then teams like NaVi and DRX would be dominating this year as they kept their core almost intact.

Fnatic is the number one team in the history of val esports.

jwlsie [#16]

ok but so would eg prx and honestly atp even drx might beat optic (probs not loud tho). every team in the game gets better as time goes on.

drx wouldnt, the rest would (maybe not eg)

hekzy [#20]

if the competition got "worse" then teams like NaVi and DRX would be dominating this year as they kept their core almost intact.

Fnatic is the number one team in the history of val esports.

Spoiler: Teams can fall of. Just look at sentinels. To me both NaVi and DRX have clearly fallen of a cliff.

TrialRunnr [#13]

Why? just cus concentrating on one year benefits Fnatic doesnt mean history doesnt exist.

Then ur Optic core got owned and trashed by some thai boys in 2021. Even got owned in reykjavik again by them too. What's ur point 1 brain cell?

Er3ngenes1s [#23]

Then ur Optic core got owned and trashed by some thai boys in 2021. Even got owned in reykjavik again by them too. What's ur point 1 brain cell?

surely Lulquid fan aint talking and my point is still pretty clear, you are projecting how many braincell you actually have

Na1myy [#22]

Spoiler: Teams can fall of. Just look at sentinels. To me both NaVi and DRX have clearly fallen of a cliff.

"sentinels" Lol. comparing them to NAVI who had consistent top4 finishes in champs 22 and lock in after winning copenhagen is degrading the val esports

Na1myy [#22]

Spoiler: Teams can fall of. Just look at sentinels. To me both NaVi and DRX have clearly fallen of a cliff.

they didn't fall off, other teams just got better T_T your take is shit chronicle femboy

I read the first line and i already disagree

Archie___ [#6]

FNC will only be tied if not even lower to OPTIC and LOUD for being the best team in history.

No team has ever won every big event in the entire season.
No team has won both Champions and Masters in one season.
If FNATIC win Champions, they will be the first, and thus the best team in the world WITHOUT QUESTION.

Also, that's like saying s1mple isn't one of the GOATs in CSGO even though he won a slew of achievements, including ones which other GOATs such as ZyWOo will never achieve. Also same as saying that dev1ce isn't one of the GOATs despite winning 4 majors in the span of two years (two or three back-to-back majors)

Eyetest > Trophies

And there can not be more then one goat. And with the s1mple vs dev1ce vs Zywoo debate it is very clear. If you are in any way a sensible human being you value eyetest and how strong their enemies were over accomplishments. And if you factor that in s1mple clearly is the goat. He had his prime during the rain of CS:GOs greatest dynasty. He was so good that he carried a team with edward, Zeus and Flamie to major finals and even single handedly took of championships of that team. He also has had the best performances at prestige events and his major run was about 5 times harder then Zyw0os. In the playoffs he faced Zyw0o, Gambit and NiKo, meanwhile Zw0o never won against a top 15 ranked team in all of his major playoff matches combined and pretty much always falls of at prestige events. S1mple is the GOAT.

Archie___ [#7]

OPTIC core lost to no-name Chinese team LMFAO.
It's not the truth whatsoever.

how does optic core represent optic when their best 2 plrs arent on the team

mrGoudas [#2]

fnc would smoke optic and loud

They almost lost against EG.

Archie___ [#7]

OPTIC core lost to no-name Chinese team LMFAO.
It's not the truth whatsoever.

Thats like saying astralis aint the goat cuz they lost against Mouz or something after device left (Their best player). Teams always fall of at some point, what matters is their prime.

Yessirskiiii [#5]

They already are the GOAT team. No need to win Champs for that

For winning against a worse version of Loud 2022 and fucking EG and for losing against chockequid in the finals?

I agree. They should win 10 trophies if they want to be compared to Optic and Louds 1 trophy. 2-3 Isn't good enough.

Mapusaurus [#18]

Is the competition really worse? Or is it just fnatic making them look that bad?

Considering we hear that pretty much every team has issues in the backround and pretty much all the teams lost consistency, it for sure is the first one. Tell me on what Fnatic innovated in Valorant.

bigman [#33]

I agree. They should win 10 trophies if they want to be compared to Optic and Louds 1 trophy. 2-3 Isn't good enough.

One win against a really good team would be more then enough tbh.

FNATIC IS THE GOAT TEAM CUZ THEY HAVE WON 2 BIGGEST TOURNAMENT IN A ROW

/CLOSED

Na1myy [#30]

They almost lost against EG.

all i see is 5-1 in maps?

Id say they are. 3 in a row you cant ignore.

Er3ngenes1s [#25]

"sentinels" Lol. comparing them to NAVI who had consistent top4 finishes in champs 22 and lock in after winning copenhagen is degrading the val esports

Just cuz they didnt fall of a cliff like Sen did doesnt mean they havnt fallen of. Look over at CS:GO. Did SK never fall of? What about Fnatic? What happened to Evil Geniusses? Nr 1 in cs in 2019 aint on the same level as nr 30 in like 2021.

FNATIC IS THE GOAT TEAM IF U THINK OPPOSITE

U ARE DUMB

They're about to win every major event this year and you're saying they aren't the GOATs

After Fnatic win this years Champs....they will be remembered as the greatest Val team and may God help any vlr retard who tries to deny that

KyLZi [#38]

Id say they are. 3 in a row you cant ignore.

Coldzera 2 times hltv nr 1 NiKo 0 times nr 1 arguement. Now tell me who the goat rifler of cs go is.

Na1myy [#28]

Eyetest > Trophies

And there can not be more then one goat. And with the s1mple vs dev1ce vs Zywoo debate it is very clear. If you are in any way a sensible human being you value eyetest and how strong their enemies were over accomplishments. And if you factor that in s1mple clearly is the goat. He had his prime during the rain of CS:GOs greatest dynasty. He was so good that he carried a team with edward, Zeus and Flamie to major finals and even single handedly took of championships of that team. He also has had the best performances at prestige events and his major run was about 5 times harder then Zyw0os. In the playoffs he faced Zyw0o, Gambit and NiKo, meanwhile Zw0o never won against a top 15 ranked team in all of his major playoff matches combined and pretty much always falls of at prestige events. S1mple is the GOAT.

simply eye test wise fnc is already way better than all previous teams lol

weakdog [#41]

They're about to win every major event this year and you're saying they aren't the GOATs

Average german brain be like:

Na1myy [#43]

Coldzera 2 times hltv nr 1 NiKo 0 times nr 1 arguement. Now tell me who the goat rifler of cs go is.

yeah I didn't read I guess. I have no clue what this thread is about. srry

Na1myy [#43]

Coldzera 2 times hltv nr 1 NiKo 0 times nr 1 arguement. Now tell me who the goat rifler of cs go is.

bro acts like comparing a single player and comparing an entire team is the same, you're embarrassing yourself bro

"how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man" - Boaster prob

Na1myy [#43]

Coldzera 2 times hltv nr 1 NiKo 0 times nr 1 arguement. Now tell me who the goat rifler of cs go is.

niko played on a top level for a long time thats why he is better than cold all time , no team won 2 events in a row so they are already best team in the history of val

That's gonna be a hot take so buckle up. I as a dev1ce fanboy through and through say that Astralis will only be tied if not even lower to Fnatic and NIP for being the best team in history.

AST is the only team in history to win 4 major titles, which obviously is a great argument for them being nr. 1 of all time. From an individual perspective I would even agree that they are the greatest team of all time. The only team that is on a comparable level in terms of firepower is NIP in 2013.

The issue with Astralis' run is that competition just got worse and worse, and you can only really judge the greatness of a team by how good their opposition is. The events they have won so far really had bad competition. All were single elimination playoffs with a bo3 grand final, and in 2 of their wins, the 2nd best teams were Avangar and Ence, neither of whom is even a top 20 team of all time.

Astralis isn't really that much better than the sum of their parts really. The team who got the most of their parts is probably Navi. SK on the other hand just is the perfect mix of individuals and overall team performance.

Rodu [#48]

"how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man" - Boaster prob

The only thing he has to do is to win against a top 5 team of all time

mrGoudas [#47]

bro acts like comparing a single player and comparing an entire team is the same, you're embarrassing yourself bro

Okay then: The current G2 lineup is better then Team Liquid 2018 cuz they won Blast World Finals, Kato and Cologne

mrGoudas [#37]

all i see is 5-1 in maps?

Last map of the first match got decided on like 12-11 with 2 seconds left.

Na1myy [#22]

Spoiler: Teams can fall of. Just look at sentinels. To me both NaVi and DRX have clearly fallen of a cliff.

Fnatic won lock\in. Do you think these two teams had fallen off by Lock\in? Because they both made top4.

TrialRunnr [#24]

surely Lulquid fan aint talking and my point is still pretty clear, you are projecting how many braincell you actually have

Optic non-existant team? KEKW If your only defense is to call us liquid fans then you're clearly retarded, rare canadian L

This is so based but sadly people are just gonna me4tride fnatic and downvote. The competition has been absolutely dogshit this year, and it's clear if you look at tokyo alone. Prx with a sub, nrg off form, drx loud and navi sucking ass, and t1 and fut being mid as hell

Yistyy [#56]

This is so based but sadly people are just gonna me4tride fnatic and downvote. The competition has been absolutely dogshit this year, and it's clear if you look at tokyo alone. Prx with a sub, nrg off form, drx loud and navi sucking ass, and t1 and fut being mid as hell

It honestly is even worse then Rakjervik 2022 where FPX couldnt attend and instead of M3C we had to go with Lulquid

Is it fnatic's fault that the other "goat" teams fell off because they are consistent with this roaster and rolling everyone and yet get hate for it. All of them are just salty casue their team won't win anything. People say they don't have competition where the na crowd changes team every second based on who doesn't choke. People saying Lock in was fluke then optic iceland was also fluke. Loud was the best team in 2022 and yet choked 2 out 3 finals.
Fnatic gets shit on cause other teams can't keep up consistency.

TrialRunnr [#24]

surely Lulquid fan aint talking and my point is still pretty clear, you are projecting how many braincell you actually have

• didnt counter or even criticze my point and then trash talks (classic NA )

Na1myy [#51]

The only thing he has to do is to win against a top 5 team of all time

Who are the top 5 teams of all time

holy the cope is hitting harder and harder. you delusional twat, shut up and accept what has happened

Na1myy [#57]

It honestly is even worse then Rakjervik 2022 where FPX couldnt attend and instead of M3C we had to go with Lulquid

yea you know jackshit about vct. m3c didnt qualify, liquid qualified coz of fpx not m3c. what a sad delusional mf. just put on the optic flair, atp we all know

How can you blame teams underperforming for Fnatics wins, if anything this just shows the inconsistency of the teams themselves

TrialRunnr [#3]

bro is gonna get hate for speaking the truth

let's go golfing

Na1myy [#57]

It honestly is even worse then Rakjervik 2022 where FPX couldnt attend and instead of M3C we had to go with Lulquid

Did u start watching valorant or something LOL? What's this logic Im reading hahaah

I thought he was gonna say if Fnatic doesn't win champs which would be somewhat reasonable.

But nah he needs to shut up
Optic/Envy didn't manage to beat an EMEA till the last tournament of 2022 how are they better than Fnatic?

Na1myy [#53]

Last map of the first match got decided on like 12-11 with 2 seconds left.

I mean after that, EG got thrashed by Fnatic (3-0 Final score in finals)

TrialRunnr [#9]

and Fnatic lost to Geekay esports and the Fnatic core lost to 100t with Will lmao

OpTic core also lost to Mibr with literally no experience atm