Val esport will be irrelevant soon

After the recent PR disaster involving Riot staff, and with how poorly Riot treats the T2 (or lower) scene, the VALORANT esports scene will die in 2-3 years, probably faster in APAC.

1. APAC is a DEVELOPING region, not a developed one. Developing regions tend to focus on the grassroots scene, not the highest level of competition. This has been proven in the early days of esports, when supporting community events could generate a lot of hype.

2. CS2 will not die anywhere in the world.
   While the current CS scene is somewhat stagnant (but not really, especially in Europe), Valve seems to have learned a lot about how to treat each region differently from their DOTA 2 scene. This could bring greater value to the upcoming CS2 esport scene.
   edit : while for sure the situation is different in csgo, i've read somewhere that cs2 will be more focus on global approach unlike current situation in csgo

3. I have no idea why Riot is still using Leo Faria, after his failure managing Wild Rift lmao

edit :
my words might be confusing but yes i agree csgo currently is an EU game but with how valve succeed penetrate apac market by dota, they have the recipe alr and will probably doing so to get that global approach.
and no im not csgo player, the last time i played and watch csgo was in 2017

shout out to my guy leo faria

Idk how you're saying this lol. APAC to me seems like the safest region rn

CS2 will not die anywhere in the world

Game literally western focus heavy, they barely focus on asia except China, game will die in Asia.

wizardbot [#3]

Idk how you're saying this lol. APAC to me seems like the safest region rn

I agree, RIOT treat APAC region like western regions, game will not die in asia, especially Japan,

Which world r u living in? cs is literally dying everywhere except Europe

No one watch cs except EU

this post feels like a cs fan projecting

Have u seen na cs????

Coldzera [#7]

No one watch cs except EU

u would be surprised, cs events have averaged way bigger viewership's on average compared to masters or champs which are supposedly watched by the whole word

Kkonakorner [#10]

u would be surprised, cs events have averaged way bigger viewership's on average compared to masters or champs which are supposedly watched by the whole word

Maybe 2 years ago

CS2 will not die anywhere in the world

Bro do we live in the same country?

Valgod [#11]

Maybe 2 years ago

lmao still today,2022 cs easily had a higher viewership compared to Val, and val should have the advantage too because its only 3 events a year so every event feels like a mini major and is way more hyped, but events like cologne and katowice still peaked higher than 2022 Reykjavik and Copenhagen and even events like blast premier spring finals had almost the same viewership as Copenhagen

how typical valorant living rent free in the head of another salty CS player

Warlordwibz [#5]

I agree, RIOT treat APAC region like western regions, game will not die in asia, especially Japan,

Will they? Like pubg was very popular in japan and it’s lost popularity now

Warlordwibz [#4]

CS2 will not die anywhere in the world

Game literally western focus heavy, they barely focus on asia except China, game will die in Asia.

like i said they have the recipe to penetrate asian market alr, learning from dota and i've read somewhere that cs2 will also focus on apac market

cyk [#6]

Which world r u living in? cs is literally dying everywhere except Europe

While the current CS scene is somewhat stagnant (but not really, especially in Europe)

realistically the problem for riot is that cs will always have the better esport even tho val is the better game. Cs2 if that gets released will make the esport in cs get even better. I think riot made a mistake with franchising but I get why they did it bc they did it for league. Also another problem for val is that riot will always put more money and resources into league especially worlds.

sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#14]

how typical valorant living rent free in the head of another salty CS player

i never watch any csgo match since 2017????

cobalt21312 [#9]

Have u seen na cs????

lmaoo liquid kekl. but fr na cs sucks bc the players either went to eu (the very few like naf and twistzz) or the na players couldnt cut it in tier 1 and 2 so they all fled to val. the remaining na players in na cs aint winning anything ever again.

wizardbot [#3]

Idk how you're saying this lol. APAC to me seems like the safest region rn

how is it the safest?
In 2-3 years you wont find players like monyet, nephh, Surf anymore since theres 0 cross competition tournaments anyway. These players are also limited to 1-2 teams only bcz or language barrier.
Infact APAC will be the hardest to fall

wizardbot [#3]

Idk how you're saying this lol. APAC to me seems like the safest region rn

wtf are you smoking 😭😭

Zeah [#19]

i never watch any csgo match since 2017????

and?

Warlordwibz [#5]

I agree, RIOT treat APAC region like western regions, game will not die in asia, especially Japan,

it might not die but everyone will b playing league bro

wizardbot [#3]

Idk how you're saying this lol. APAC to me seems like the safest region rn

the money revolved in apac isnt as big in NA, most apac org would pull their involvement from T2 seeing how there is a big investment needed but lack of tournament (6 month of no official tournament?). From team perspective cant get into franchising could be seen as huge loss. Imagine invest so much while only a single team qualified and even worst if the qualified org doesnt match with riot criteria, they will took your talent and gave it into a much more fitting org.

moshimoshiman24 [#18]

realistically the problem for riot is that cs will always have the better esport even tho val is the better game. Cs2 if that gets released will make the esport in cs get even better. I think riot made a mistake with franchising but I get why they did it bc they did it for league. Also another problem for val is that riot will always put more money and resources into league especially worlds.

i wouldn't say val is the better game with cs2 coming,it fixes most of the issues that made cs shittier,if they just do a better casual rank system and add more updates cs2 can def continue competing with val,but its valve so who knows

sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#23]

and?

funny how ppl really took every statement into the classic cs vs val debate

This is massive cope lol cs is dead In Asia and it won't grow mainly cause the style of art and such just don't appeal to them. The best cs can do is eu na Brazil. Probably is NA cs already far dead and it will take valve actually doing things to being it back to life.

From statement 2 itself I could tell you're a CS frog

Ullyr [#28]

This is massive cope lol cs is dead In Asia and it won't grow mainly cause the style of art and such just don't appeal to them. The best cs can do is eu na Brazil. Probably is NA cs already far dead and it will take valve actually doing things to being it back to life.

nice china fakeflag,why do i hear that Chinese say that cs is still massive in china, and no im not taking about skins,theres plenty of Chinese cs fans, especially on twitter i see so many Chinese users
but yes in the rest of asia it is pretty dead

Joko_From_Ngawi [#2]

shout out to my guy leo faria

ingfo ngantemi leo

Zeah [#16]

like i said they have the recipe to penetrate asian market alr, learning from dota and i've read somewhere that cs2 will also focus on apac market

CS2 will be dead in most regions. Europe it’ll still be the go to.

Pretty much that simple.

Ullyr [#28]

This is massive cope lol cs is dead In Asia and it won't grow mainly cause the style of art and such just don't appeal to them. The best cs can do is eu na Brazil. Probably is NA cs already far dead and it will take valve actually doing things to being it back to life.

wont be the case if val T2 actually dead and the younger talent switch to CS2 (only if valve could actually stick to their statement about global approach)

Kkonakorner [#30]

nice china fakeflag,why do i hear that Chinese say that cs is still massive in china, and no im not taking about skins,theres plenty of Chinese cs fans, especially on twitter i see so many Chinese users
but yes in the rest of asia it is pretty dead

Valorant already taking over lul. There's never gonna be sustainable esports scene there for them to be relevant.

Kkonakorner [#30]

nice china fakeflag,why do i hear that Chinese say that cs is still massive in china, and no im not taking about skins,theres plenty of Chinese cs fans, especially on twitter i see so many Chinese users
but yes in the rest of asia it is pretty dead

There’s not one bit of proof that CS is massive in China. Especially now that Tencent has Val in China… If anything Chinas playerbase dwindled in CS.

moshimoshiman24 [#18]

realistically the problem for riot is that cs will always have the better esport even tho val is the better game. Cs2 if that gets released will make the esport in cs get even better. I think riot made a mistake with franchising but I get why they did it bc they did it for league. Also another problem for val is that riot will always put more money and resources into league especially worlds.

both game actually had the different audience in casual level but pros tend to switch game if the scene dying and it will be affecting the hardcore player in the long run

Zeah [#19]

i never watch any csgo match since 2017????

so how do you know the secne is doing very well and won't die anytime soon if you don't even watch csgo?

DrudaL [#12]

CS2 will not die anywhere in the world

Bro do we live in the same country?

While the current CS scene is somewhat stagnant (but not really, especially in Europe)

gen z reading comprehension?

Phamous [#35]

There’s not one bit of proof that CS is massive in China. Especially now that Tencent has Val in China… If anything Chinas playerbase dwindled in CS.

tf u mean,yes there literally is did u just skip what i said
we will see in the Shanghai major

Ullyr [#34]

Valorant already taking over lul. There's never gonna be sustainable esports scene there for them to be relevant.

that doesn't mean its "dead" in china, it isn't

Kkonakorner [#13]

lmao still today,2022 cs easily had a higher viewership compared to Val, and val should have the advantage too because its only 3 events a year so every event feels like a mini major and is way more hyped, but events like cologne and katowice still peaked higher than 2022 Reykjavik and Copenhagen and even events like blast premier spring finals had almost the same viewership as Copenhagen

Cope. If that was the case insecure cs fanboys wouldn't have to go to valorant forums to cry

Phamous [#32]

CS2 will be dead in most regions. Europe it’ll still be the go to.

Pretty much that simple.

if dota subjectively succeed in asian, why cs2 wouldnt?

Valgod [#41]

Cope. If that was the case insecure cs fanboys wouldn't have to go to valorant forums to cry

wdym "if that was the case" THAT IS THE CASE
i was literally here before u retard and have 700 posts so how am i a "insecure" cs fan coming here to cry hahaha

Kkonakorner [#43]

wdym "if that was the case" THAT IS THE CASE
i was literally here before u retard and have 700 posts so how am i a "insecure" cs fan coming here to cry hahaha

i have 900+ post and ppl still think its another cs vs val debate over again

Kkonakorner [#26]

i wouldn't say val is the better game with cs2 coming,it fixes most of the issues that made cs shittier,if they just do a better casual rank system and add more updates cs2 can def continue competing with val,but its valve so who knows

valve the type of company to release cs2 the day b4 the cs2 major

Zeah [#44]

i have 900+ post and ppl still think its another cs vs val debate over again

its understandable since this is vlr

gotta be bait

Kkonakorner [#43]

wdym "if that was the case" THAT IS THE CASE
i was literally here before u retard and have 700 posts so how am i a "insecure" cs fan coming here to cry hahaha

😂😂😂 rio major 1.42m peak viewership, lock in 1.44m peak viewership yeah okay

Coldzera [#7]

No one watch cs except EU

i do watch cs :)

Zeah [#27]

funny how ppl really took every statement into the classic cs vs val debate

"funny how ppl really took every statement into the classic cs vs val debate"

"CS2 will not die anywhere in the world."

"Val esport will be irrelevant soon"

🙄

Zeah [#17]

While the current CS scene is somewhat stagnant (but not really, especially in Europe)

stagnant? U mean dead?
Bro, Mongolian CS, the most competitive region in Asia literally got 0 pro team, they dont even got paid monthl, they have to matchfix for living
In China, the region has the greatest player base in Asia got only 3 pro team, Tyloo, Rare Atom and Wings up
About Sea, only NKT stands there, paper rex, lucid dream or whatever they all gone because of the ignorance of Valve. If this isnt dead idk what it is

Every org is moving to Europe, team liquid, faze etc.

Zerphyr1 [#37]

so how do you know the secne is doing very well and won't die anytime soon if you don't even watch csgo?

I didn't even say he watched CS too 💀. In hindsight tho this is just bait.

Zeah [#36]

both game actually had the different audience in casual level but pros tend to switch game if the scene dying and it will be affecting the hardcore player in the long run

how do u think the esports scene for val will go tho. Bc in the west they will always b 2nd to cs (especially in eu maybe not na but its na so who cares). In the east they r also always 2nd to league. Maybe they can heavily focus on apac but apac just doesnt have same resources that na, eu, china, or korea has.

Zerphyr1 [#37]

so how do you know the secne is doing very well and won't die anytime soon if you don't even watch csgo?

1. im saying csgo is currently stagnant except in EU
2. while the situation in cs2 is still my own prediction but i've read somewhere valve will fully commit for global approach and even though dota almost fully supported by 3rd parties they somehow still doing stuff pretty well (in terms of audiences number). Knowing that fact, i assume valve alr know how to treat every region (except NA, idk anything about NA tbh).
3. While im not really following the scene so much rn but i've seen some esport journalist covers this topic over and over again in many platform.

cyk [#51]

stagnant? U mean dead?
Bro, Mongolian CS, the most competitive region in Asia literally got 0 pro team, they dont even got paid monthl, they have to matchfix for living
In China, the region has the greatest player base in Asia got only 3 pro team, Tyloo, Rare Atom and Wings up
About Sea, only NKT stands there, paper rex, lucid dream or whatever they all gone because of the ignorance of Valve. If this isnt dead idk what it is

Every org is moving to Europe, team liquid, faze etc.

i was talking about growth not the state, im using stagnant since there isnt any progress. Its just a matter of word.

Valgod [#48]

😂😂😂 rio major 1.42m peak viewership, lock in 1.44m peak viewership yeah okay

rio major 3 matches peaking easily over a million with higher average viewership, Antwerp peaking at 2.1m& five most watches matches peaking over a million with higher average viewership, blast major peaking at 1.5m yeah okay😂😂😂 and Val has 3 tournaments a year while cs has 2 majors in a year and both f them performed better than all masters and champs

Kkonakorner [#56]

rio major 3 matches peaking easily over a million with higher average viewership, Antwerp peaking at 2.1m& five most watches matches peaking over a million with higher average viewership, blast major peaking at 1.5m yeah okay😂😂😂 and Val has 3 tournaments a year while cs has 2 majors in a year and both f them performed better than all masters and champs

And you're saying you're not a delusional cs fan lmfao.mf is defending that trash game like your life depends on it lmao

sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#50]

"funny how ppl really took every statement into the classic cs vs val debate"

"CS2 will not die anywhere in the world."

"Val esport will be irrelevant soon"

🙄

• competitor analysis is common thing to talk about "product", i could do a whole SWOT analysis if i've the data.
• and yes i intentionally put controversial title for a long content, ofc everyone here only reads the title and jump straight to conclusion.

Valgod [#57]

And you're saying you're not a delusional cs fan lmfao.mf is defending that trash game like your life depends on it lmao

because ur delusional and wrong?? Why would i not argue about something i know im right about "mF iS DeFenDinG ThAt TrAsH gAmE likE YoUr liFe dEpEnDs oN iT" just admit u were wrong instead of coping with these weak roast attempts delusional val frog 😂😂

moshimoshiman24 [#53]

how do u think the esports scene for val will go tho. Bc in the west they will always b 2nd to cs (especially in eu maybe not na but its na so who cares). In the east they r also always 2nd to league. Maybe they can heavily focus on apac but apac just doesnt have same resources that na, eu, china, or korea has.

support the backbone which in this case, the grassroot level.

most apac org have the money to invest but theyre a bit hesitant looking at the current val state.

Kkonakorner [#59]

because ur delusional and wrong?? Why would i not argue about something i know im right about "mF iS DeFenDinG ThAt TrAsH gAmE likE YoUr liFe dEpEnDs oN iT" just admit u were wrong instead of coping with these weak roast attempts delusional val frog 😂😂

Cs fan detected opinion rejected

Valgod [#61]

Cs fan detected opinion rejected

val frog detected opinion rejected😂😂 got disproven in ur own argument and now ur coping

Kkonakorner [#62]

val frog detected opinion rejected😂😂 got disproven in ur own argument and now ur coping

Whatever you say, go gamble your house for a cs skin

Zeah [#58]

• competitor analysis is common thing to talk about "product", i could do a whole SWOT analysis if i've the data.
• and yes i intentionally put controversial title for a long content, ofc everyone here only reads the title and jump straight to conclusion.

"funny how ppl really took every statement into the classic cs vs val debate"

"competitor analysis"

"ofc everyone here only reads the title " :
"the VALORANT esports scene will die in 2-3 years"

🙄

Considering today APAC except KRJP is still quite a Mobile Game territory

Valgod [#63]

Whatever you say, go gamble your house for a cs skin

ur madd,i have never gambled in cs,and i dnt even play cs anymore,just watch some games here and there
but im ngl gambling skins sounds a lot smarter than paying 20 dollars for a skin everyone has and u cant even refund or sell it

Zeah [#55]

i was talking about growth not the state, im using stagnant since there isnt any progress. Its just a matter of word.

Bro you said 'CS2 will not die anywhere in the world'.
But the fact is cs is already dead in Asia, dying elsewhere except Europe.
There was a second I thought u are Polish otherwise idk how are you so ignorant to the Asia Csgo scene.
CS is completely dead in Asia, dying elsewhere except Europe, even the boss of Tyloo recognize the dilemma of Asia cs, no investment, no one give a shit include valve. Korean CS is a good example, the ex-MVP PK core is now earning American dollar and having vacation in Hawaii meanwhile, their ex-teammate Xign is now matchfixing for food.

Kkonakorner [#43]

wdym "if that was the case" THAT IS THE CASE
i was literally here before u retard and have 700 posts so how am i a "insecure" cs fan coming here to cry hahaha

Give valorant some time bro , if it dies riot will do something for fosho , you don't have speculate the death of a game n shit like that
CS has been around the block for way too long

Kkonakorner [#56]

rio major 3 matches peaking easily over a million with higher average viewership, Antwerp peaking at 2.1m& five most watches matches peaking over a million with higher average viewership, blast major peaking at 1.5m yeah okay😂😂😂 and Val has 3 tournaments a year while cs has 2 majors in a year and both f them performed better than all masters and champs

Valve CEO alt confirmed

Zeah [#42]

if dota subjectively succeed in asian, why cs2 wouldnt?

Cause we’re talking 2 different types of genres and CrossFire is their main tactical shooter. Valorant is that niche of tactical shooter and hero shooter. CS can succeed but, it waited too long to try and make it happen. Tencent will make sure VALORANT succeeds in China. Valve, it’s an afterthought.

Kkonakorner [#39]

tf u mean,yes there literally is did u just skip what i said
we will see in the Shanghai major

What are you going to see? People coming to an event lol. Has nothing to do with its playerbase which VALORANT just took a chunk of. Idk. I think there’s this Grand sense of delusion with you guys. Tencent will make sure China has a large market share. Valve should have controlled the market by now but waited 10 years to do a major lol. Ridiculous.

Valve isn’t beating Tencent in a China. They’re powerless.

Off topic but what did leo faria do to wild rift?

SevenTreesOnePurple [#72]

Off topic but what did leo faria do to wild rift?

he killed WR esport scene KKKKKKK

Copium

Valgod [#63]

Whatever you say, go gamble your house for a cs skin

you sound very insecure, you turn to insults when you are provided with facts.. lmao

svoikhnebrosaem [#75]

you sound very insecure, you turn to insults when you are provided with facts.. lmao

What facts? He didn't provide anything. I just don't want to argue with cs fans because they disgust me

Valgod [#76]

What facts? He didn't provide anything. I just don't want to argue with cs fans because they disgust me

rio major 3 matches peaking easily over a million with higher average viewership, Antwerp peaking at 2.1m& five most watches matches peaking over a million with higher average viewership, blast major peaking at 1.5m yeah okay😂😂😂 and Val has 3 tournaments a year while cs has 2 majors in a year and both f them performed better than all masters and champs

after he said that u replied calling him deluded fan and cs is trash. cs>val at the end anyway 😂

svoikhnebrosaem [#77]

rio major 3 matches peaking easily over a million with higher average viewership, Antwerp peaking at 2.1m& five most watches matches peaking over a million with higher average viewership, blast major peaking at 1.5m yeah okay😂😂😂 and Val has 3 tournaments a year while cs has 2 majors in a year and both f them performed better than all masters and champs

after he said that u replied calling him deluded fan and cs is trash. cs>val at the end anyway 😂

Further proving my point. You are biased

#2 feels like insane copium from a CS fan that their game won’t just be an EU only game. CS2 is basically just the same game with updated graphics and some slightly new mechanics, is it not? Why would they suddenly have the sauce for making it succeed in Asia? SEA/SA have had little support from Valve in the past, and riot built half the countries in the region a solid challengers circuit, JP is firmly a valorant region, China is all Crossfire with a growing crowd for valorant, and Korea have OW, Sudden Attack, and Val. APAC has simple moved on from CS, in the same way NA will in the coming years when the talent pool from NA starts to dry up from all the best young players moving games. We are already starting to see this happen now, there’s barely any NA orgs left and they are kind of just cycling the same players back and forth, or TL just going and becoming an EU roster.

Phamous [#71]

What are you going to see? People coming to an event lol. Has nothing to do with its playerbase which VALORANT just took a chunk of. Idk. I think there’s this Grand sense of delusion with you guys. Tencent will make sure China has a large market share. Valve should have controlled the market by now but waited 10 years to do a major lol. Ridiculous.

Valve isn’t beating Tencent in a China. They’re powerless.

do u understand the English language, cs is not even close to dead in china and it def wont get worse with cs2

Kkonakorner [#80]

do u understand the English language, cs is not even close to dead in china and it def wont get worse with cs2

Can you understand English and comprehend sentences. Or is “stupid” the new language you’re speaking. You have NO PROOF CS is thriving in China. None lol

Phamous [#81]

Can you understand English and comprehend sentences. Or is “stupid” the new language you’re speaking. You have NO PROOF CS is thriving in China. None lol

sure,ur actually right i have NO PROOF.NONE! lol

CS is dead everywhere that’s not Europe tbh

Kkonakorner [#80]

do u understand the English language, cs is not even close to dead in china and it def wont get worse with cs2

It will get worse with CS2, riot is supporting Chinese valorant more right now than valve ever have in its entire lifetime. CN gets like, a playoff spot to qualify for the challengers stage of the major every year, some S tier event invites for like 1 team, and that’s it. Riot gave China a whole VCT circuit, and 25% representation at every Masters and Champions event. The difference in support is unreal.

V0sotros [#84]

It will get worse with CS2, riot is supporting Chinese valorant more right now than valve ever have in its entire lifetime. CN gets like, a playoff spot to qualify for the challengers stage of the major every year, some S tier event invites for like 1 team, and that’s it. Riot gave China a whole VCT circuit, and 25% representation at every Masters and Champions event. The difference in support is unreal.

yeah,it will actually get worse with cs2 most likely

Obviously, you dont know about KangKang our lord and savior.

Kkonakorner [#82]

sure,ur actually right i have NO PROOF.NONE! lol

Glad you understand data. Moving on.

Phamous [#87]

Glad you understand data. Moving on.

yeah i just saw the data u sent me,i couldn't even argue against it,u are right

Kkonakorner [#88]

yeah i just saw the data u sent me,i couldn't even argue against it,u are right

I’m not proving China is a massive hit in a game w/ no proof. Atleast w/ VALORANT we saw the servers shut down on release. Massive followings w/ orgs, players etc. u got nothing.

Valgod [#78]

Further proving my point. You are biased

we are all biased but the facts are that csgo is more viewed and more popular than valorant.

JiangLi [#21]

how is it the safest?
In 2-3 years you wont find players like monyet, nephh, Surf anymore since theres 0 cross competition tournaments anyway. These players are also limited to 1-2 teams only bcz or language barrier.
Infact APAC will be the hardest to fall

he thinks APAC = jp 😹😹😹

Phamous [#89]

I’m not proving China is a massive hit in a game w/ no proof. Atleast w/ VALORANT we saw the servers shut down on release. Massive followings w/ orgs, players etc. u got nothing.

bro i already agree with u why do u keep responding,i admit i got nothing i was just lying,cs is really small in china imo,i just didn't think

yaiima0 [#83]

CS is dead everywhere that’s not Europe tbh

China literally have equal player base as EU. So its not really dead in china tbh

VibsTV [#93]

China literally have equal player base as EU. So its not really dead in china tbh

Its not bots opening cases copium