Tenz
Zekken
Marved
Johnqt sentinel igl
eeiu
there's probably better players out there and they should drop tenz tbh but im trynna keep it realistic here not in some fantasy world where sen only keeps marved and zekken and every other orgs just gives up their players for sen
johnqt also worked with kaplan before on ghost where they had their success
thoughts ?
dropping tenz would mean that a major portion of sen fanbase would leave AND a lot of their revenue is made from tenz, ofc theres the offchance that he retires but stays as a cc but even then their esports fanbase would take a huge hit but if they do want to go that route then getting nismo would be the best option
noxx [#2]dropping tenz would mean that a major portion of sen fanbase would leave AND a lot of their revenue is made from tenz, ofc theres the offchance that he retires but stays as a cc but even then their esports fanbase would take a huge hit but if they do want to go that route then getting nismo would be the best option
agree that's why i said im keeping it realistic they just can't drop him or they will stop making money just be existing and they'll have to win
if they drop him they already have zekken who plays raze tgey should get a player who's more flexible than nismo and play other things
noxx [#2]dropping tenz would mean that a major portion of sen fanbase would leave AND a lot of their revenue is made from tenz, ofc theres the offchance that he retires but stays as a cc but even then their esports fanbase would take a huge hit but if they do want to go that route then getting nismo would be the best option
That's why they have Tarik. This is a competition after all. Losing teams/players lose fans/sponsors as well in time. Values depreciate and appreciate depending on the value that the team/player brings.
noxx [#2]dropping tenz would mean that a major portion of sen fanbase would leave AND a lot of their revenue is made from tenz, ofc theres the offchance that he retires but stays as a cc but even then their esports fanbase would take a huge hit but if they do want to go that route then getting nismo would be the best option
he's just 22, personally i don't see him retiring soon
noxx [#2]dropping tenz would mean that a major portion of sen fanbase would leave AND a lot of their revenue is made from tenz, ofc theres the offchance that he retires but stays as a cc but even then their esports fanbase would take a huge hit but if they do want to go that route then getting nismo would be the best option
they wont win if they wont ever stick with a core. if they remove 3 of their current players they will never "have the time to prepare"
james_ff [#7]they wont win if they wont ever stick with a core. if they remove 3 of their current players they will never "have the time to prepare"
three players who played together for 3 months isnt a core
mehdisid [#8]three players who played together for 3 months isnt a core
i mean then every single time they lose they'll make changes and in the end they will never have a core lol
james_ff [#7]they wont win if they wont ever stick with a core. if they remove 3 of their current players they will never "have the time to prepare"
having to stick with a "core" theory is overrated.
all the long lasting cores in valorant are only good cus they have a top tier igl, in Sentinels case it doesnt matter if they stick with the core or not cus they dont have a top igl.
james_ff [#10]i mean then every single time they lose they'll make changes and in the end they will never have a core lol
yeah sure but they still aren't a core which is what you called them
plus when you want to keep 3 players you dont keep two players who play the same thing
unless you're sen and the player is a free clout farm
MaTrix96 [#5]That's why they have Tarik. This is a competition after all. Losing teams/players lose fans/sponsors as well in time. Values depreciate and appreciate depending on the value that the team/player brings.
they have tarik for the general audience who supports sentinels as a team but the majority of the sen fanbase are just tenz fans and if tenz leaves so do most of them, take a look at their youtube videos with tenz and without tenz and also the games where tenz doesnt play and he does play/watchparty, sentinels IS just tenz pretty much and its not like tenz is washed he is still a young prospect but unlucky for him there were issues in his personal life that he couldnt control and he mentioned it in many of his streams how he just cant focus on his games anymore (which im guessing is coz of the situation with kyedae), feel bad for that guy coz he isnt like a fake influencer or a huge egoistical person, he is probably the most humble person in the val community
noxx [#13]they have tarik for the general audience who supports sentinels as a team but the majority of the sen fanbase are just tenz fans and if tenz leaves so do most of them, take a look at their youtube videos with tenz and without tenz and also the games where tenz doesnt play and he does play/watchparty, sentinels IS just tenz pretty much and its not like tenz is washed he is still a young prospect but unlucky for him there were issues in his personal life that he couldnt control and he mentioned it in many of his streams how he just cant focus on his games anymore (which im guessing is coz of the situation with kyedae), feel bad for that guy coz he isnt like a fake influencer or a huge egoistical person, he is probably the most humble person in the val community
Got stats and data to show that "majority of sen fanbase are just tenz fans"?
MaTrix96 [#14]Got stats and data to show that "majority of sen fanbase are just tenz fans"?
"stats and data" 🤓
YeaUrMum [#16]"stats and data" 🤓
I'm pretty sure an org like Sentinels have analytics and stuff right? No way they just throw out the "majority of sen fanbase are just tenz fans" out of nowhere right?
MaTrix96 [#18]I'm pretty sure an org like Sentinels have analytics and stuff right? No way they just throw out the "majority of sen fanbase are just tenz fans" out of nowhere right?
not like Sentinels give data to noxx out of everyone lmao
important analytics are private to the org
YeaUrMum [#20]not like Sentinels give data to noxx out of everyone lmao
important analytics are private to the org
Yup but they must use that data to make informed decisions no?
This is a really good roster, personally, i don't see tenz, zekken and marved leaving as i think they all played well this season but i do see sacy and Pancada leaving as pancada is kinda wasting his talent and sacy would leave if pancada leaves (probably going to MIBR)
and if they get the igling off of Marved he will start fragging more
I also hope they implement PRX playstyle as TenZ, Zekken and Marved are all great fraggers and aimers
mehdisid [#3]agree that's why i said im keeping it realistic they just can't drop him or they will stop making money just be existing and they'll have to win
if they drop him they already have zekken who plays raze tgey should get a player who's more flexible than nismo and play other things
TenZ’s Kay/o was still good imo but he would only be worth keeping if he learns other flash agents then he will have a lot of value and impact
noxx [#13]they have tarik for the general audience who supports sentinels as a team but the majority of the sen fanbase are just tenz fans and if tenz leaves so do most of them, take a look at their youtube videos with tenz and without tenz and also the games where tenz doesnt play and he does play/watchparty, sentinels IS just tenz pretty much and its not like tenz is washed he is still a young prospect but unlucky for him there were issues in his personal life that he couldnt control and he mentioned it in many of his streams how he just cant focus on his games anymore (which im guessing is coz of the situation with kyedae), feel bad for that guy coz he isnt like a fake influencer or a huge egoistical person, he is probably the most humble person in the val community
100% and he actually looked pretty promising this lcq on kayo but everyone will still scapegoat him
Like he wasn’t amazing but it wasn’t just his fault the team lost it was more of a lack of igl and strats that started seeping through vs lev and c9
mehdisid [#8]three players who played together for 3 months isnt a core
before 2024 season starts, that core would almost be together for 7 or 8 months and would have way better chemistry and would know each other way better
noxx [#25]yes but im talking mostly about a temporary retirement so like maybe he could spend more time with kyedae and when she hopefully gets better he can come back in with a complete mind reset
I don’t think that’s gonna happen cause he clearly wants to compete and kyedae also clearly supports him but who knows what’s going on behind the scenes
I remember sideshow proposed
Zekken
Pancada
Sacy
-Marved +Johnqt
-Tenz +Nismo
wich I think is a good roster, but I agree that them dropping tenz is unrealistic
idk if pancada and Sacy are a package deal but if they aren't then I think sentinels best option while keeping tenz would be
Tenz
Marved
Sacy
-Zekken +Nismo
-Pancada +JohnQT
and if sacy and pancada are a package deal then... eeiu could come along as well i guess?
Sk00d [#28]I remember sideshow proposed
Zekken
Pancada
Sacy
-Marved +Johnqt
-Tenz +Nismo
wich I think is a good roster, but I agree that them dropping tenz is unrealisticidk if pancada and Sacy are a package deal but if they aren't then I think sentinels best option while keeping tenz would be
Tenz
Marved
Sacy
-Zekken +Nismo
-Pancada +JohnQTand if sacy and pancada are a package deal then... eeiu could come along as well i guess?
I was also considering flyuh for a bunch of teams but idk I think he needs more impressive results first even tho he's been outstanding as both a player and igl
TrialRunnr [#11]having to stick with a "core" theory is overrated.
all the long lasting cores in valorant are only good cus they have a top tier igl, in Sentinels case it doesnt matter if they stick with the core or not cus they dont have a top igl.
not at all, look at all the teams that are doing good in regular season and even now in lcq, EG is a great example and teams like NRG, NAVI, FNC, PRX, DRX, LOUD all of these top teams (and teams who are winning LCQ rn like Zeta, TS, NAVI and KRU/LEV) had a core last year and kept going with it and trusting the process unless theres like a massive disagreement between players and coaches on how the game should be played or ego clashes within the team then theres no reason that teams should completely rebuild after a mediocre season especially sen coz they barely got any time to build chemistry coz management fucked them over every other week
Sk00d [#28]I remember sideshow proposed
Zekken
Pancada
Sacy
-Marved +Johnqt
-Tenz +Nismo
wich I think is a good roster, but I agree that them dropping tenz is unrealisticidk if pancada and Sacy are a package deal but if they aren't then I think sentinels best option while keeping tenz would be
Tenz
Marved
Sacy
-Zekken +Nismo
-Pancada +JohnQTand if sacy and pancada are a package deal then... eeiu could come along as well i guess?
Nismo is great but him instead of zekken is wild 💀
Pengu12 [#27]I don’t think that’s gonna happen cause he clearly wants to compete and kyedae also clearly supports him but who knows what’s going on behind the scenes
yeah he doesnt want to compete but at the same time he was talking about how he couldnt focus on the game like how he used to so maybe he just needs rest? idk cant assume anything here, hopefully he comes back stronger one day tho
Pengu12 [#31]Nismo is great but him instead of zekken is wild 💀
assuming they keep tenz I think zekken has to go, Nismo has shown he is a more flexible player
trust me, I'd much rather say -tenz +nismo but I don't think that's happening
noxx [#30]not at all, look at all the teams that are doing good in regular season and even now in lcq, EG is a great example and teams like NRG, NAVI, FNC, PRX, DRX, LOUD all of these top teams (and teams who are winning LCQ rn like Zeta, TS, NAVI and KRU/LEV) had a core last year and kept going with it and trusting the process unless theres like a massive disagreement between players and coaches on how the game should be played or ego clashes within the team then theres no reason that teams should completely rebuild after a mediocre season especially sen coz they barely got any time to build chemistry coz management fucked them over every other week
NAVI, FNC, DRX, LOUD, NRG, EG all have top tier igls and PRX is an anomaly, yall are just deluding yourself to belive Sen needs to stick with a core.
Sentinels problem is not having an proper igl and Tenz not being flexible, they are only gonna get results if they fix this. If they dont they are gonna have a similar season as this year, most likely even worse cus other teams will strengthen their rosters.
Sk00d [#33]assuming they keep tenz I think zekken has to go, Nismo has shown he is a more flexible player
trust me, I'd much rather say -tenz +nismo but I don't think that's happening
Imo the only reason they would keep Tenz is to make him flex, wouldn’t make sense to have 2 flex’s right? Zekkens duelist >> Tenz’s
Also zekken can play every role except sentinel and pop off, how is nismo more flexible?
TrialRunnr [#34]NAVI, FNC, DRX, LOUD, NRG, EG all have top tier igls and PRX is an anomaly, yall are just deluding yourself to belive Sen needs to stick with a core.
Sentinels problem is not having an proper igl and Tenz not being flexible, they are only gonna get results if they fix this. If they dont they are gonna have a similar season as this year, most likely even worse cus other teams will strengthen their rosters.
Boostio wasnt seen as a top tier IGL before 2023 and stax has always been an inconsistently/mid IGL, your point is invalid. I'm not telling that sen should stick with marved as an IGL I want them to get johnqt (who has worked with kaplan before) if they can and also tenz is flexible enough and like i said hes young not some old washed player who cant learn new agents
jawn [#37]if sacy and pancada decide to ride out their contracts then johnqt and nismo for tenz and marved is the move fs
What the frick are u smoking Johnqt plays Sentinel not Controller?
why would u replace Marved
Kyoxm [#38]What the frick are u smoking Johnqt plays Sentinel not Controller?
why would u replace Marved
In this scenario I'd guess he means pancada goes back to playing controller
noxx [#32]yeah he doesnt want to compete but at the same time he was talking about how he couldnt focus on the game like how he used to so maybe he just needs rest? idk cant assume anything here, hopefully he comes back stronger one day tho
Did he say it again? Last time he said it were explaining his performances vs Nrg and lev and his performances have improved
MaTrix96 [#21]Yup but they must use that data to make informed decisions no?
yea probably. It really does not make sense to let go of TenZ from an org perspective. You'd atleast want him as a CC
Pengu12 [#35]Imo the only reason they would keep Tenz is to make him flex, wouldn’t make sense to have 2 flex’s right? Zekkens duelist >> Tenz’s
Also zekken can play every role except sentinel and pop off, how is nismo more flexible?
I'm going under the assumption they put him on jett
samhatts [#39]In this scenario I'd guess he means pancada goes back to playing controller
Yea ok that would work ig
SEN will do anything in their power to keep TenZ, he's really a win-win for them because while they are other players better than him rn, he's still good enough to compete at the T1 level. (He needs to expand his agent pool fr). And ofc, he brings so much in terms of viewership and attention, really an organization's dream player.
bear14 [#50]SEN has shit management and 100T are probbably much better alternative
define much better alternative bro sen got more potential
mehdisid [#51]define much better alternative bro sen got more potential
in my opinion, if stellar gets cut its just a perfect way to slot in
bear14 [#52]in my opinion, if stellar gets cut its just a perfect way to slot in
- sen has some shitty ass descision making behind the scenes especially with the dephh and and sykko incidents so players would always hesitate to join SEN
100t are only keeping bang and cryo 100%
maybe you're right maybe they'll be a competition between the two orgs for him
mehdisid [#53]100t are only keeping bang and cryo 100%
maybe you're right maybe they'll be a competition between the two orgs for him
asuna and bang are like duo deal, irrc if asuna had said on stream before if bang gets cut most likely on his wayout too
bear14 [#54]asuna and bang are like duo deal, irrc if asuna had said on stream before if bang gets cut most likely on his wayout too
friendship power will win at the end
Pengu12 [#40]Did he say it again? Last time he said it were explaining his performances vs Nrg and lev and his performances have improved
his performances have improved but his jett is nowhere as good as it used to be, you can tell in high pressure situations everything just blows up in his mind and he starts whiffing and even then he was in the top 10 most rated players in this lcq
StutterSt3p [#47]SEN will do anything in their power to keep TenZ, he's really a win-win for them because while they are other players better than him rn, he's still good enough to compete at the T1 level. (He needs to expand his agent pool fr). And ofc, he brings so much in terms of viewership and attention, really an organization's dream player.
Most based take. Tenz is not good enough in his current form. But he has the potential to be a tier 1 duelist with proper training. SEN coach needs to re-work Tenz.
TGOPARTHIB [#57]Most based take. Tenz is not good enough in his current form. But he has the potential to be a tier 1 duelist with proper training. SEN coach needs to re-work Tenz.
Tbh though I disagree that he's not good enough. He was one of the better players at America's LCQ, he just needs to be able to flex a little more. SEN just needed a more seasoned IGL, but TenZ was fr part of the reason they were doing well.
noxx [#56]his performances have improved but his jett is nowhere as good as it used to be, you can tell in high pressure situations everything just blows up in his mind and he starts whiffing and even then he was in the top 10 most rated players in this lcq
100% Agree his jett is good but real value is found when he is on flashes
Pengu12 [#59]100% Agree his jett is good but real value is found when he is on flashes
I still think tenz has the better jett out of him and zekken especially on maps like haven, ascent and all that
noxx [#61]I still think tenz has the better jett out of him and zekken especially on maps like haven, ascent and all that
I wouldn’t agree, zekkens jett has been rlly good this event prolly the best jett this event
Pengu12 [#62]I wouldn’t agree, zekkens jett has been rlly good this event prolly the best jett this event
this event yeah 100% but overall i still think tenz is a better jett player
Sk00d [#28]I remember sideshow proposed
Zekken
Pancada
Sacy
-Marved +Johnqt
-Tenz +Nismo
wich I think is a good roster, but I agree that them dropping tenz is unrealisticidk if pancada and Sacy are a package deal but if they aren't then I think sentinels best option while keeping tenz would be
Tenz
Marved
Sacy
-Zekken +Nismo
-Pancada +JohnQTand if sacy and pancada are a package deal then... eeiu could come along as well i guess?
-zekken is wild...
TM06Nick [#60]The best roster is
Zekken
NISMO
Pancada
Sacy
Johnqt
why can't we just accept that sacy and pancada are going back to brazil
StutterSt3p [#58]Tbh though I disagree that he's not good enough. He was one of the better players at America's LCQ, he just needs to be able to flex a little more. SEN just needed a more seasoned IGL, but TenZ was fr part of the reason they were doing well.
i think tenz works well when theres a more matured IGL and strats that depend on him killing everyone which was what we saw a lot of in 2021 and 2022 and he individually did really well, its basically like putting jinggg or zmjjkk on DRX or NRG
noxx [#63]this event yeah 100% but overall i still think tenz is a better jett player
I mean, but that's mostly becuz i think TenZ hadnt practised jett in scrims that much. Just look at how he used to take space and took opening duels I'm Berlin/Iceland when he was the main jett. He has gotten under control, try but i think TenZ's natural playstyle is to create chaos in the server
mehdisid [#68]why can't we just accept that sacy and pancada are going back to brazil
its almost like they have contracts for another year
TM06Nick [#60]The best roster is
Zekken
NISMO
Pancada
Sacy
Johnqt
yup this is the best roster. the brazilians are staying.
michaelisupset [#72]its almost like they have contracts for another year
that means they're staying lol?
I feel like the current roster should work with another year, but at the same time they could do with a seasoned IGL.
Option 1 - keep Marved on IGL, full roster stays, maybe make TenZ a sub and sign Nismo, put Zekken on full duelist.
TenZ is undoubtedly not bad at all and wasn't the problem, but also not the full solution, and could definitely make for a really good sub, which would also allow him more time for personal stuff, especially with Kyedae's current situation. also means he can stream more which is never a bad thing for TenZ fans.
Option 2- Bye Bye Brazil
TenZ
Zekken
Marved
Johnqt*
Zander/eeiu
Although I personally think this is worse than having the Brazilians, given their experience and ever-improving English, with this comms will improve in terms of faster conveying of info. the M80 are by no means weaker than the average T1 team, and with the new IGL in Johnqt can bring fresh ideas to the team. the roster will likely be rounded out by another Canadian, either eeiu or Zander, depending on how the team feel out the roles to be.
Option 3 - No changes at all.
Just tank it out with the current roster, and hope it goes ok. It could work, but so far not worked yet.
xSlqme [#76]I feel like the current roster should work with another year, but at the same time they could do with a seasoned IGL.
Option 1 - keep Marved on IGL, full roster stays, maybe make TenZ a sub and sign Nismo, put Zekken on full duelist.
TenZ is undoubtedly not bad at all and wasn't the problem, but also not the full solution, and could definitely make for a really good sub, which would also allow him more time for personal stuff, especially with Kyedae's current situation. also means he can stream more which is never a bad thing for TenZ fans.
Option 2- Bye Bye Brazil
TenZ
Zekken
Marved
Johnqt*
Zander/eeiuAlthough I personally think this is worse than having the Brazilians, given their experience and ever-improving English, with this comms will improve in terms of faster conveying of info. the M80 are by no means weaker than the average T1 team, and with the new IGL in Johnqt can bring fresh ideas to the team. the roster will likely be rounded out by another Canadian, either eeiu or Zander, depending on how the team feel out the roles to be.
Option 3 - No changes at all.
Just tank it out with the current roster, and hope it goes ok. It could work, but so far not worked yet.
option 1 not possible unfortunately
option 2 zander is a controller player same as marved they won't bring him in so eeiu is the only option
option 3 could see that happening if sen aren't planning on winning cuz this team is a hype/clout machine
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