Pros vs Cons of M8 winning

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Pros
Amazing amount of viewers, KC/BBL/KOI type of org
Apeks players are more likely to get picked up imo
Hopefully Apeks sticks to Polaris, league has 2 orgs and is not in a position to lose one of the 2
We see new players in franchising that we hadn't seen before, unlike Apeks
M8 > M80 EMEA has the better M8

Cons
Repeats fanbase with KC
1 nationality teams have a limited talent pool from where to choose when they replace players so more talented players can be left out

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Alright not an if anymore

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Sorry but M8 fanbase as nothing in common with KC especially knowing Takas was dropped for that fraud scream.

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kcwhiteknight

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i mean they're quite similar as french fanbases are all kinda similar but a kc fan won't support m8 and an m8 fan won't support kc aswell

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brahianv

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So they are not similar.

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kcwhiteknight

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they are, m8 was created by people that got inspired by kc ceo and success in league of legends, the ceos for both teams are friends so they do share a bit of fans but they wont do same stuff etc, hard to explain if you're not french, just think of it as same blood, players all like each other but the m8 fans will be happy if kc underperforms and kc fans will also be happy if m8 underperforms, there are a lot of people that like both tho, including me

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brahianv

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you are an exception most people know takas was droped for scream at look where they are now hm.. sorry i dont think M8 fans will like karmine corp that much.

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kcwhiteknight

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man, half the community hates each other, this is normal in france, karmine corp fans love karmine corp and all others pretend to love kc but secretly hates it, only kc fans are genuine in loving it, the others all secretly wish its downfall

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#22 is what I meant

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KC and M8 hold a similar rivalry that KOI and TH/Giants do tbh, i think it’ll be completely polar fanbases

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Mortadelo

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Like idk how to explain it but it doesn't exactly work like that in any region, it happens the same here in Spain, let me try and put an example

Imagine only NRG from NA made champs. With 1 team most of NA would be watching, if you also add 100T then yes, there are more viewers, but at the end of the day the jump is not as big, most of those 100T fans were watching the games anyway. Idk if that explains what I meant better

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Ngl that's a pretty good comparison

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80>8 so your argument is invalid

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have fun in t2 bud

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firefirefirefire

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are you denying facts??? in what world 8>80???

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8 in in VCT 80 is in vcl

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80 bigger number.

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firefirefirefire

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he is slow

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I’m ngl, m80 and GUARD would stomp Apeks

I don’t think m8’s troll comps would work a against them

Not to mention m80 and GUARD COMPLETELY diff them individually

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Not a big fan of 1 country team cause you get more talent if you mix countries but Kc are more likely to go international roster than M8 lol

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cboomer

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yeah but France has the biggest player base I think it's fine, theres 2-3 amazing French players on bad teams in t2 and Enzo on apeks

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that's what makes their achievements even greater

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kcwhiteknight

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KC and M8 are not repeat fanbases don't say that if you're not immersed in the community

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brahianv

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I agree this guy is mistaken about that, KC and M8 have nothing in common.

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LouBag

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So if M8 is playing a non French team you’re not cheering for them?

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brahianv

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So? that does not his invalidate his claim at all.

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Mortadelo

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It does because that was my point. Is this guy saying that all M8 fans do not already watch their country representation in tier 1 at all?

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kcwhiteknight

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most big influencer french teams fans (+50% audience of the team) like kc and m8 and mdr fans only watch their teams and do not care about the rest of the league
i for example am a kc fan and i will probably watch kc matches and m8 matches and maybe navi matches because i like the players

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kcwhiteknight

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yea basically if m8 plays any other team than kc i will support them
UNLESS it helps kc qualify for something then i dont

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Mortadelo

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Exactly my point my friend, I think you got me wrong. I didn't mean that KC fans are the same as M8. I meant that M8 fans already watch the league because they are already represented

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kcwhiteknight

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i would say 30% of m8 fans watch kc play in vct, their community is really specific and it comes from big YouTuber squeezie and gotaga old pro player and big twitch streamer in france, most viewers dont root for/watch kc

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Mortadelo

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Yeah Ik gotaga, I'm informed. Well we'll see the impact on the numbers M8 have, hopefully it's as big as you say

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kcwhiteknight

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mhm i would say the impact will be as big as kc because M8 fans only have passion for valorant, it will be a free huge boost for vct emea, unlike apeks which wouldnt bring that much new regular viewers

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Mortadelo

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Any 2 teams from 1 country is repeating somehow, #22 is a more developed explanation

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Their name and branding is shit

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yawnster

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What you smokin? Name is shit but branding and everything else is fire

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rumbledink

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Having 3 different fonts in the logo is good to you?

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M8 and KC even tho from same nations , will still have massive jump , gotaga had 200k today , this team will add extra 80k every match , and during clout matches with KC it will be even more , do u think there are llike 100k ppl only in france ? and even in masters if both qual it will be great , look at 100T SEN

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Mortadelo

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It is x10 more beneficial for the league than if Apeks and their 20 viewers made it, no doubts about that

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Gyro

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nah fam , no way u truly believing fr EMEA clout apeks would have been better , English speaking regions alrdy have fnc and liquid to root for , its much more better to have another french team , esp when the owner is clouted AF

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Mortadelo

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What, I think you read my post wrong

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dont forget the con of france winning anything

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Mortadelo

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Almost put it, but I already trolled NA, so I didn't wanna get 2 fanbases mad at once

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Shanvel

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Enzo to KC this is good

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eeeeeeeee

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It's possible and likely for them to become a mixed team if their results are bad as all 1 nationality

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dapada

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Sad day for Apeks
If only they were in Americas Ascension, they would win it all ngl