Pros
Amazing amount of viewers, KC/BBL/KOI type of org
Apeks players are more likely to get picked up imo
Hopefully Apeks sticks to Polaris, league has 2 orgs and is not in a position to lose one of the 2
We see new players in franchising that we hadn't seen before, unlike Apeks
M8 > M80 EMEA has the better M8
Cons
Repeats fanbase with KC
1 nationality teams have a limited talent pool from where to choose when they replace players so more talented players can be left out
yawnster [#7]Not a big fan of 1 country team cause you get more talent if you mix countries but Kc are more likely to go international roster than M8 lol
yeah but France has the biggest player base I think it's fine, theres 2-3 amazing French players on bad teams in t2 and Enzo on apeks
kcwhiteknight [#9]KC and M8 are not repeat fanbases don't say that if you're not immersed in the community
I agree this guy is mistaken about that, KC and M8 have nothing in common.
brahianv [#3]Sorry but M8 fanbase as nothing in common with KC especially knowing Takas was dropped for that fraud scream.
i mean they're quite similar as french fanbases are all kinda similar but a kc fan won't support m8 and an m8 fan won't support kc aswell
kcwhiteknight [#12]i mean they're quite similar as french fanbases are all kinda similar but a kc fan won't support m8 and an m8 fan won't support kc aswell
So they are not similar.
brahianv [#14]So they are not similar.
they are, m8 was created by people that got inspired by kc ceo and success in league of legends, the ceos for both teams are friends so they do share a bit of fans but they wont do same stuff etc, hard to explain if you're not french, just think of it as same blood, players all like each other but the m8 fans will be happy if kc underperforms and kc fans will also be happy if m8 underperforms, there are a lot of people that like both tho, including me
rumbledink [#16]Their name and branding is shit
What you smokin? Name is shit but branding and everything else is fire
kcwhiteknight [#9]KC and M8 are not repeat fanbases don't say that if you're not immersed in the community
So if M8 is playing a non French team you’re not cheering for them?
snowconedeity [#4]KC and M8 hold a similar rivalry that KOI and TH/Giants do tbh, i think it’ll be completely polar fanbases
Like idk how to explain it but it doesn't exactly work like that in any region, it happens the same here in Spain, let me try and put an example
Imagine only NRG from NA made champs. With 1 team most of NA would be watching, if you also add 100T then yes, there are more viewers, but at the end of the day the jump is not as big, most of those 100T fans were watching the games anyway. Idk if that explains what I meant better
kcwhiteknight [#18]they are, m8 was created by people that got inspired by kc ceo and success in league of legends, the ceos for both teams are friends so they do share a bit of fans but they wont do same stuff etc, hard to explain if you're not french, just think of it as same blood, players all like each other but the m8 fans will be happy if kc underperforms and kc fans will also be happy if m8 underperforms, there are a lot of people that like both tho, including me
you are an exception most people know takas was droped for scream at look where they are now hm.. sorry i dont think M8 fans will like karmine corp that much.
brahianv [#3]Sorry but M8 fanbase as nothing in common with KC especially knowing Takas was dropped for that fraud scream.
#22 is what I meant
kcwhiteknight [#9]KC and M8 are not repeat fanbases don't say that if you're not immersed in the community
Any 2 teams from 1 country is repeating somehow, #22 is a more developed explanation
LouBag [#21]So if M8 is playing a non French team you’re not cheering for them?
So? that does not his invalidate his claim at all.
brahianv [#26]So? that does not his invalidate his claim at all.
It does because that was my point. Is this guy saying that all M8 fans do not already watch their country representation in tier 1 at all?
LouBag [#21]So if M8 is playing a non French team you’re not cheering for them?
yea basically if m8 plays any other team than kc i will support them
UNLESS it helps kc qualify for something then i dont
brahianv [#23]you are an exception most people know takas was droped for scream at look where they are now hm.. sorry i dont think M8 fans will like karmine corp that much.
man, half the community hates each other, this is normal in france, karmine corp fans love karmine corp and all others pretend to love kc but secretly hates it, only kc fans are genuine in loving it, the others all secretly wish its downfall
Mortadelo [#22]Like idk how to explain it but it doesn't exactly work like that in any region, it happens the same here in Spain, let me try and put an example
Imagine only NRG from NA made champs. With 1 team most of NA would be watching, if you also add 100T then yes, there are more viewers, but at the end of the day the jump is not as big, most of those 100T fans were watching the games anyway. Idk if that explains what I meant better
Ngl that's a pretty good comparison
kcwhiteknight [#28]yea basically if m8 plays any other team than kc i will support them
UNLESS it helps kc qualify for something then i dont
Exactly my point my friend, I think you got me wrong. I didn't mean that KC fans are the same as M8. I meant that M8 fans already watch the league because they are already represented
M8 and KC even tho from same nations , will still have massive jump , gotaga had 200k today , this team will add extra 80k every match , and during clout matches with KC it will be even more , do u think there are llike 100k ppl only in france ? and even in masters if both qual it will be great , look at 100T SEN
Mortadelo [#27]It does because that was my point. Is this guy saying that all M8 fans do not already watch their country representation in tier 1 at all?
most big influencer french teams fans (+50% audience of the team) like kc and m8 and mdr fans only watch their teams and do not care about the rest of the league
i for example am a kc fan and i will probably watch kc matches and m8 matches and maybe navi matches because i like the players
Gyro [#32]M8 and KC even tho from same nations , will still have massive jump , gotaga had 200k today , this team will add extra 80k every match , and during clout matches with KC it will be even more , do u think there are llike 100k ppl only in france ? and even in masters if both qual it will be great , look at 100T SEN
It is x10 more beneficial for the league than if Apeks and their 20 viewers made it, no doubts about that
Mortadelo [#31]Exactly my point my friend, I think you got me wrong. I didn't mean that KC fans are the same as M8. I meant that M8 fans already watch the league because they are already represented
i would say 30% of m8 fans watch kc play in vct, their community is really specific and it comes from big YouTuber squeezie and gotaga old pro player and big twitch streamer in france, most viewers dont root for/watch kc
yawnster [#19]What you smokin? Name is shit but branding and everything else is fire
Having 3 different fonts in the logo is good to you?
kcwhiteknight [#35]i would say 30% of m8 fans watch kc play in vct, their community is really specific and it comes from big YouTuber squeezie and gotaga old pro player and big twitch streamer in france, most viewers dont root for/watch kc
Yeah Ik gotaga, I'm informed. Well we'll see the impact on the numbers M8 have, hopefully it's as big as you say
Mortadelo [#34]It is x10 more beneficial for the league than if Apeks and their 20 viewers made it, no doubts about that
nah fam , no way u truly believing fr EMEA clout apeks would have been better , English speaking regions alrdy have fnc and liquid to root for , its much more better to have another french team , esp when the owner is clouted AF
BayArea [#36]dont forget the con of france winning anything
Almost put it, but I already trolled NA, so I didn't wanna get 2 fanbases mad at once
Gyro [#41]nah fam , no way u truly believing fr EMEA clout apeks would have been better , English speaking regions alrdy have fnc and liquid to root for , its much more better to have another french team , esp when the owner is clouted AF
What, I think you read my post wrong
Mortadelo [#40]Yeah Ik gotaga, I'm informed. Well we'll see the impact on the numbers M8 have, hopefully it's as big as you say
mhm i would say the impact will be as big as kc because M8 fans only have passion for valorant, it will be a free huge boost for vct emea, unlike apeks which wouldnt bring that much new regular viewers
yawnster [#7]Not a big fan of 1 country team cause you get more talent if you mix countries but Kc are more likely to go international roster than M8 lol
that's what makes their achievements even greater
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