frq [#17]
im not using an alt, i just lurk
it's a good 'trick to trap people' because it's a legitimate argument that you're sidestepping, along with my first point
let me address your argument:
- the world will never be fully equal/fair - i agree
- because everyone has a different view of equal/fair - i also agree with this, though I believe a lot of varying opinions are born out of ignorance
- this has always been the case and will always be the case - meaningless statement
- anyone fighting for equality will fight a losing battle the entire time because people will always be different - this is historically false, look at any marginalized group that has risen up anywhere (see: women fighting to vote, disabled people fighting for wheelchair ramps, general labor strikes, indigenous communities fighting for representation, etc.)
- people trying to force their version down other peoples throats are the problem imo - how else are you supposed to learn about something, do you expect to absorb the information from the water you drink? I understand you don't want an aggressive argument, but this perspective is childish. I feel like this is the crux of your argument, so let me state this simply: Many marginalized groups have tried to peacefully inform the general public of their existence and validity, and have been ignored. What would you propose they do when they are ignored? Go back home and give up?
- I'm not trying to force my view down your throat and i don't care about you, why do u have to shove your view down my throat type of thing. - you posted first blud, forcing me to scroll past this stupid take
The problem i have with "varying opinions are born from ignorance" is the fact that, no one can change someone else unless they want to change themselves first, whether someone is ignorant or not, whether they want to change that will be down to them not some random person telling their perspective, and if someone chooses to stay ignorant why should i take time out of my life and try to change that, i don't need to do that.
for the 4th , i'm not saying it will be impossible, as i said and as historically has been proven, these people will always fight an uphill battle, and it's fine to explain and try to make others understand why they should support their cause, but plainly blanketing a bunch of terms which are known to have bad connotation towards it and makes a person look bad because they share their opinion which is not the same as the other makes an argument against their point plainly unfair off the jump, that isn't very good "equality" is it, someone isn't great because they can convince a room full of people already convinced of their point of view that they are right, but rather the person who is willing to go into an unfair circumstance and still fight for what they believe is right, imo.
For the 5th, i personally learn based off fact and studies rather than off my personal opinion most of the time, but most of the time i don't absorb any of these social justice issues because frankly it doesn't effect me, and I'm grateful for that, don't get me wrong, the problem i have is people making every action they do or every action they take based off the fact this person agrees or disagrees with me, that sounds very immature to me, i would rather just let that person believe what they want to believe and i'll go on holding my values strong, towards the end of it "marginalized groups" comment, i believe if they genuinely feel their point is valid, they should fight as hard as they can to convince as many people as they can that their way is the right way to go about the issue going forwards, u don't win people over by calling them bigots and labelling them as transphobes/sexists/racists etc, u win them over by sitting down and having a good talk with them, without judgement and bias.
i also wanna say, i appreciate that u were able to sit down and have a conversation about it with me, because instead of leaving with anger we both left with different perspectives as we considered before, and that was the purpose of my previous message, i personally don't mess with people who would rather insult than give realistic actual points towards an issue.