turkey [#3]yeah this tournament has proven that franchising raised the level up a notch
i don’t think NAVI have been playing worse than last year they’ve just been playing the same and they’re going out first
I agree
ANGE1 didn’t adapt at ALL they are still running comps that are getting hard read and the experimenting they did seemed pretty troll during the season. Isn’t just ANGE1 tho id say this is on the coach as well. Definitely isn’t a skill issue tho
yeah reducing the number of spots and giving incentives to invest has led to a talent squish in every region into a few top teams. I still think it could be better in EMEA and Pacific where there's too many teams with old players that should've been replaced by those currently playing in T2 (i.e. sScary, a lot of BOOM players, Kadoom, a lot of Turkish players, Enzo and more)
kamisavitar [#5]Real effect of franchising will take place next year...
When all real good player will start to accumulate in franchised orgs... Rather than being spread in T2sThen we can say Franchise is totally Tier1
it still is
there will always be players that deserve T1 but are in T2 that’s just how it goes. As time goes on we will see it gradually get better and better of course but this isn’t a bad start.
Yistyy [#4]No, because they gave shitmea 10 slots for some reason...
"I dont hate on teams 24/7, only when they lose to Americas. Meanwhile dudes like hasbullapeek and elon_musk won't stfu for one second"
Clown
asdfgh [#6]i think ur a little confused
How am I the one confused? Franchising completely broke this region from the best to the worst...
Yistyy [#15]How am I the one confused? Franchising completely broke this region from the best to the worst...
what 10 slots are you talking about
Astar [#9]not for EMEA. riot letting those shit nonames orgs picking up dogshit noname players
they aren’t adapting to meta
Americas have LOUD to shape comps off of and adapt
Pacific is constantly adapting in different ways and im really impressed by T1
Meanwhile NAVI didn’t try to adapt what so ever and the same can be said about FUT. I hope FNC and TL got their note pass out because they gonna need to make some changes if they want to win it all.
Ullyr [#13]honestly good games so far, i think chinese team makes it entertaining with their aggressive playstyle.
chinese team make it interesting with the insane ass shots they hit.
6vine [#14]"I dont hate on teams 24/7, only when they lose to Americas. Meanwhile dudes like hasbullapeek and elon_musk won't stfu for one second"
Clown
???
I'm not the only person who has this take. If you have eyes you will see how top heavy emea is. Not even just hating this is just facts
blazennn [#11]it still is
there will always be players that deserve T1 but are in T2 that’s just how it goes. As time goes on we will see it gradually get better and better of course but this isn’t a bad start.
No not as much as it is in this year... There are many many terrible teams(players in the team) which should be instantly removed ... Dfm, kru, kc, TH, even more ...
League should also be competitive....
9-0, 8-1 or 0-9, 1-8 should be the last case to happen in League..
asdfgh [#16]what 10 slots are you talking about
Gee I don't know, maybe the 10 organizations in the emea league ?
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1190/champions-tour-2023-emea-league/regular-season
jackb2016 [#12]Franchise is good for the international events but holy shit the leagues are not competitive
Americas is decently competitive
Pacific is more competitive than its made out to be
EMEA… need to be watching LOUD vods and copying team comps because the shit they are running just isn’t working. As a whole no team had really been practicing double smoke which is SO meta rn. Along with some other minor changes they have the talent to do well
Yistyy [#19]???
I'm not the only person who has this take. If you have eyes you will see how top heavy emea is. Not even just hating this is just facts
Literally every region is top heavy. Pacific teams apart from T1,PRX,DRX and maybe TS are absolutely dogshit. Americas teams like MIBR, 100T,SEN,KRU,Leviatan are dog. EMEA teams like KC,KOI,TH and maybe BBL are dog
Yistyy [#21]Gee I don't know, maybe the 10 organizations in the emea league ?
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1190/champions-tour-2023-emea-league/regular-season
but wtf are you trying to say,that emea should have less slots?
kamisavitar [#20]No not as much as it is in this year... There are many many terrible teams(players in the team) which should be instantly removed ... Dfm, kru, kc, TH, even more ...
League should also be competitive....
9-0, 8-1 or 0-9, 1-8 should be the last case to happen in League..
I think dominant teams will forever be a thing but I do agree with teams being way weaker than they could be.
I don’t think instantly removed just need to rework the rosters and adapt. Maybe TH they dropped their only good player anyway
rtg9000 [#25]still wish we had relegation, though.
can karmine corp, KRU, detonation (as much as I love them) either git gud or go T2 please god
true, but that can also lead to unstable orgs like the guard coming into franchising
queueK [#8]yeah reducing the number of spots and giving incentives to invest has led to a talent squish in every region into a few top teams. I still think it could be better in EMEA and Pacific where there's too many teams with old players that should've been replaced by those currently playing in T2 (i.e. sScary, a lot of BOOM players, Kadoom, a lot of Turkish players, Enzo and more)
if i’m not mistaken sScary chased the bag that Bleed threw at him which why wouldn’t he make that money.
asdfgh [#30]why,how bad these teams were has nothing to do with slots
Could drop fkn kcorp and give it to SA or NA. Most embarrassing ass team
Swxtch [#32]Could drop fkn kcorp and give it to SA or NA. Most embarrassing ass team
or you could think normally and give it to a org who knows what therye doing
lets put disguised, mad lions and turtle troop to Americas franchising and see if its competitive
Swxtch [#32]Could drop fkn kcorp and give it to SA or NA. Most embarrassing ass team
Blud has no clue about franchising. Expected from NA
6vine [#34]Blud has no clue about franchising. Expected from NA
Bro doesn't know what a hypothetical is
6vine [#23]Literally every region is top heavy. Pacific teams apart from T1,PRX,DRX and maybe TS are absolutely dogshit. Americas teams like MIBR, 100T,SEN,KRU,Leviatan are dog. EMEA teams like KC,KOI,TH and maybe BBL are dog
Emea only has 2 teams that are good. Pacific has 4-5 good teams. Americas also has 6 teams that are good.
Weird of you to say that half of all the teams in franchising are "dogshit" when even the mid tier teams in Americas and pacific play at a higher level than the bottom 7 emea teams
Also I don't know why you single me out as toxic when there are many users who have expressed this take too.
blazennn [#31]if i’m not mistaken sScary chased the bag that Bleed threw at him which why wouldn’t he make that money.
yeah. I just think that either Bleed should've been in franchising or that a franchised organization should've matched Bleed's offer.
Swxtch [#35]Bro doesn't know what a hypothetical is
???? Franchising has nothing to do with how a team performs you clown. KC is one of the most popular orgs itw and brings insane viewership. There's no way riot would drop KC because they do bad in 1 split??
yoboikingkong [#29]true, but that can also lead to unstable orgs like the guard coming into franchising
yeah i do understand no relegation from a sustainability standpoint, i just hate it regardless, in all honesty
Yistyy [#36]Emea only has 2 teams that are good. Pacific has 4-5 good teams. Americas also has 6 teams that are good.
Weird of you to say that half of all the teams in franchising are "dogshit" when even the mid tier teams in Americas and pacific play at a higher level than the bottom 7 emea teams
Also I don't know why you single me out as toxic when there are many users who have expressed this take too.
You wouldn't have 5 downvotes if people had similar takes as you.
6vine [#38]???? Franchising has nothing to do with how a team performs you clown. KC is one of the most popular orgs itw and brings insane viewership. There's no way riot would drop KC because they do bad in 1 split??
Bro really doesn't know what a hypothetical is
queueK [#37]yeah. I just think that either Bleed should've been in franchising or that a franchised organization should've matched Bleed's offer.
matching Bleeds offer would be INSANE let’s not forget they offered Yay 1M imagine how much they offered him their current star player
I think they should of gave them the spot though, one of the richest orgs who gives a fuck where the money comes from
6vine [#38]???? Franchising has nothing to do with how a team performs you clown. KC is one of the most popular orgs itw and brings insane viewership. There's no way riot would drop KC because they do bad in 1 split??
That's the problem tho, these organizations are just happy to get the bag from riot, and don't care about making their rosters competitive.
rtg9000 [#39]yeah i do understand no relegation from a sustainability standpoint, i just hate it regardless, in all honesty
id like it would force teams to adjust
6vine [#40]You wouldn't have 5 downvotes if people had similar takes as you.
Lil bro, scroll down in this thread alone and you'll see people saying the exact same thing as me. Like do you have eyes, or you are just being ignorant intentionally??
Yistyy [#36]Emea only has 2 teams that are good. Pacific has 4-5 good teams. Americas also has 6 teams that are good.
Weird of you to say that half of all the teams in franchising are "dogshit" when even the mid tier teams in Americas and pacific play at a higher level than the bottom 7 emea teams
Also I don't know why you single me out as toxic when there are many users who have expressed this take too.
Jesus, this guy is traumatized by EMEA that 99% of his posts are to shit on it.
alpha1red [#41]pass
old OpTic still better than most of these teams
Optic
LOUD
DRX
FPX
(Only real competitive teams before)
LOUD
NRG
FNC
TL
PRX
EG
DRX
EDG
T1
and the list goes on we could definitely see more in the leagues but that’ll come next season
Swxtch [#42]Bro really doesn't know what a hypothetical is
You say riot should drop kcorp because they are "embarrassing". How does it matter whether it's a hypothetical or not franchising doesn't work that way 😭😭
Swxtch [#32]Could drop fkn kcorp and give it to SA or NA. Most embarrassing ass team
yeah... make the leagues have different number of teams just based on vibes
it was obvious that EMEA talent would be spread out- and frankly some of the orgs just have the most incompetent recruitment (Heretics, Karmine Corp, MAYBE Koi but frankly that looked like a good roster on paper)
that being said each league having a different number of teams would just be a pain in the ass, Karmine Corp simply existing in EMEA league literally doesn't affect the other leagues in ANY way lol
Yistyy [#46]Lil bro, scroll down in this thread alone and you'll see people saying the exact same thing as me. Like do you have eyes, or you are just being ignorant intentionally??
People are complaining about orgs picking up washed players, not the number of slots
6vine [#49]You say riot should drop kcorp because they are "embarrassing". How does it matter whether it's a hypothetical or not franchising doesn't work that way 😭😭
Rules should be broken with how awful Kcorp is. They would literally lose to an immortal 5 stack
Yistyy [#36]Emea only has 2 teams that are good. Pacific has 4-5 good teams. Americas also has 6 teams that are good.
Weird of you to say that half of all the teams in franchising are "dogshit" when even the mid tier teams in Americas and pacific play at a higher level than the bottom 7 emea teams
Also I don't know why you single me out as toxic when there are many users who have expressed this take too.
aint no way you think 4-5 pacific teams are better than NAVI lmao
Edward are about to 2-0 T1 too
realistically rn, if I have to be especially generous to the Americas to not sound biased, the 'good' teams are TL, FNATIC, DRX, PRX, EG, NRG, LOUD, C9
rtg9000 [#53]aint no way you think 4-5 pacific teams are better than NAVI lmao
Edward are about to 2-0 T1 toorealistically rn, if I have to be especially generous to the Americas to not sound biased, the 'good' teams are TL, FNATIC, DRX, PRX, EG, NRG, LOUD, C9
putting c9 there is pushing it a lil
6vine [#51]People are complaining about orgs picking up washed players, not the number of slots
Same issue, the orgs are putting no effort in making their rosters competitive and just happy to get money from riot. A lot of these organizations shouldn't be in franchising when they don't care about the valorant scene at all
Yistyy [#55]Same issue, the orgs are putting no effort in making their rosters competitive and just happy to get money from riot. A lot of these organizations shouldn't be in franchising when they don't care about the valorant scene at all
That's not what you said before. The orgs in franchising are incompetent but that has nothing to do with slots. Kcorp and KOI would still be there if EMEA had 6 slots
yoboikingkong [#29]true, but that can also lead to unstable orgs like the guard coming into franchising
hopefully there will be a lot of roster moves after champs and a lot of rosters could be rebuilt just like last year. also next year we get actually 2 splits with a real transfer window so its not gonna be as messy as this year
6vine [#58]That's not what you said before. The orgs in franchising are incompetent but that has nothing to do with slots. Kcorp and KOI would still be there if EMEA had 6 slots
At the end of the day, there either should have been less teams or a regulation system because a lot of the emea teams are severely underperforming
rtg9000 [#39]yeah i do understand no relegation from a sustainability standpoint, i just hate it regardless, in all honesty
yea definitely, me too. ideally it should be like the premier league, hopefully after this first 4-5 year cycle, we get something like that
Yistyy [#44]That's the problem tho, these organizations are just happy to get the bag from riot, and don't care about making their rosters competitive.
The thing is, these ORGs know they can't compete with Fnatic and LOUD season 1, so why listen to fans who dont understand esports roster building when they could just wait and identify BETTER talent for upcoming seasons?
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