this is just my personal opinion, no need to get heated
1.SEN
2.V1
3.C9
4.NV
5.100t
and for those curious, top 5 worlds imo is
1.SEN
2.FNC
3.V1
4.liquid
5.C9
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i agree with your NA ranking (maybe 100T/NV are interchangeable), but i would change your world rankings just a little bit
1.SEN
2.FNC
3.Liquid
4.V1
5.Nuturn
edit: the reason i put nuturn below V1 (even though V1 placed lower in the tourney than them) is because i think V1 have a better grasp of the current meta than Nuturn does.
georges [#2]i agree with your NA ranking (maybe 100T/NV are interchangeable), but i would change your world rankings just a little bit
1.SEN
2.FNC
3.Liquid
4.V1
5.Nuturnedit: the reason i put nuturn below V1 (even though V1 placed lower in the tourney than them) is because i think V1 have a better grasp of the current meta than Nuturn does.
V1 > Liquid
They beat them in the head to head and arguably did better against fnatic (liquid got more rounds but v1 was closer to winning a map)
georges [#2]i agree with your NA ranking (maybe 100T/NV are interchangeable), but i would change your world rankings just a little bit
1.SEN
2.FNC
3.Liquid
4.V1
5.Nuturnedit: the reason i put nuturn below V1 (even though V1 placed lower in the tourney than them) is because i think V1 have a better grasp of the current meta than Nuturn does.
agree and NU might lose some of their players soon
georges [#2]i agree with your NA ranking (maybe 100T/NV are interchangeable), but i would change your world rankings just a little bit
1.SEN
2.FNC
3.Liquid
4.V1
5.Nuturnedit: the reason i put nuturn below V1 (even though V1 placed lower in the tourney than them) is because i think V1 have a better grasp of the current meta than Nuturn does.
v1 Beat liquid with a standin, and 4 days of practice, V1 are better
georges [#2]i agree with your NA ranking (maybe 100T/NV are interchangeable), but i would change your world rankings just a little bit
1.SEN
2.FNC
3.Liquid
4.V1
5.Nuturnedit: the reason i put nuturn below V1 (even though V1 placed lower in the tourney than them) is because i think V1 have a better grasp of the current meta than Nuturn does.
would have put nuturn as 5 but solo is most likely retiring so idk
EU_quiet [#8]I think TSM should be at 5 not 100T
😂 TSM hasn’t been a tier 1 team in a good 6 months man.
Smell the copium, I’m sorry. Real friends let friends know how it is. I just went through the rankings and put them at about 14-15th in NA. Oof.
H3LiX [#9]😂 TSM hasn’t been a tier 1 team in a good 6 months man.
Smell the copium, I’m sorry. Real friends let friends know how it is. I just went through the rankings and put them at about 14-15th in NA. Oof.
Ok u can believe what u want... don't know why u coming after me for no reason
EU_quiet [#10]Ok u can believe what u want... don't know why u coming after me for no reason
I’m not, I’m just being honest with you man. I’m trying to help snap you out of the TSM delusion. You can be a fan, just be realistic man TSM Havnt looked good in months.
H3LiX [#11]I’m not, I’m just being honest with you man. I’m trying to help snap you out of the TSM delusion. You can be a fan, just be realistic man TSM Havnt looked good in months.
True, Seems like TSM just didnt adapt with the meta
H3LiX [#11]I’m not, I’m just being honest with you man. I’m trying to help snap you out of the TSM delusion. You can be a fan, just be realistic man TSM Havnt looked good in months.
I AM being realistic... Chet constantly brought NRG into the top 5 NA discussion its just his team sucked (exception of S0M and andriod)
and constantly getting roster changes.... but ok... plus Bang is just a better version of Nitro (better aim and is versatile) but again ur allowed to believe whatever u want... I still think 100T fluke their way into challengers by getting mickey mouse brackets... if they got SEN brackets they would never get in lol
Aladeen [#12]True, Seems like TSM just didnt adapt with the meta
If it makes him feel any better, I’ll gladly admit that there was a period when the game first launched where TSM was probably the best team in NA if not the world. But it was short lived and the meta just passed them by.
That being said, they looked better this past challengers than they had been looking, so maybe there’s hope for them. But they aren’t top 5. Even top 10 would be a stretch when you have teams like Faze, NRG, LG, XSET, ANDBOX, BBG, GenG, etc that can realistically compete with them. And they aren’t touching Sentinels, 100T, C9, Envy, or V1 at the moment.
Aladeen [#12]True, Seems like TSM just didnt adapt with the meta
Tailored didn't know the meta or change his strats... and cutler was bad (much worse than bang)
H3LiX [#14]If it makes him feel any better, I’ll gladly admit that there was a period when the game first launched where TSM was probably the best team in NA if not the world. But it was short lived and the meta just passed them by.
That being said, they looked better this past challengers than they had been looking, so maybe there’s hope for them. But they aren’t top 5. Even top 10 would be a stretch when you have teams like Faze, NRG, LG, XSET, ANDBOX, BBG, GenG, etc that can realistically compete with them. And they aren’t touching Sentinels, 100T, C9, Envy, or V1 at the moment.
Ok NRG under chet beat the shit out of 100T so idk what u on about?... and that was with infinite and Shanks on the roster lol
EU_quiet [#13]I AM being realistic... Chet constantly brought NRG into the top 5 NA discussion its just his team sucked (exception of S0M and andriod)
and constantly getting roster changes.... but ok... plus Bang is just a better version of Nitro (better aim and is versatile) but again ur allowed to believe whatever u want... I still think 100T fluke their way into challengers by getting mickey mouse brackets... if they got SEN brackets they would never get in lol
Look, I hope you’re right man. I’m all for as many great teams competing as possible. It makes for entertaining matches and a stronger regional group of teams.
I personally don’t think they’re going anywhere until they ditch Wardell, or his mentality changes, but that’s just me. Anything is possible. I can only go by what we’ve seen, and recently it hasn’t been great.
H3LiX [#14]If it makes him feel any better, I’ll gladly admit that there was a period when the game first launched where TSM was probably the best team in NA if not the world. But it was short lived and the meta just passed them by.
That being said, they looked better this past challengers than they had been looking, so maybe there’s hope for them. But they aren’t top 5. Even top 10 would be a stretch when you have teams like Faze, NRG, LG, XSET, ANDBOX, BBG, GenG, etc that can realistically compete with them. And they aren’t touching Sentinels, 100T, C9, Envy, or V1 at the moment.
they wiped the floor with GenG and BBG
H3LiX [#17]Look, I hope you’re right man. I’m all for as many great teams competing as possible. It makes for entertaining matches and a stronger regional group of teams.
I personally don’t think they’re going anywhere until they ditch Wardell, or his mentality changes, but that’s just me. Anything is possible. I can only go by what we’ve seen, and recently it hasn’t been great.
Ok
Aladeen [#12]True, Seems like TSM just didnt adapt with the meta
TSM didn't adapt with the professional attitude required, stuck with friends and families attitude within the team, leading to delayed necessary changes or wrong ones.
Anees711 [#18]they wiped the floor with GenG and BBG
I didnt mean theyre not a good team or theyre not skillful, but they didnt cant beat SEN and 100T or C9 like they played against GenG or BBG
EU_quiet [#15]Tailored didn't know the meta or change his strats... and cutler was bad (much worse than bang)
I agree, dont know why they benched brax tho
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