NA's downfall, the rise of SA

without memes what is the reason NA has fallen so hard after franchising?

My guess is the difference between optic and the other NA teams has been very large at internationals
so it was really only optic that was better then SA

BR players are better aimers imo. Once they catch up NA in term of strat, they will dominate

'My guess is the difference between optic and the other NA teams has been very large at internationals'

always been like that my guy

the first seed of NA went 0-2 last year at both Masters and prior to XSET making it to top 6 at champs the last time an NA team did something Internationally besides Optic was C9 making it out of groups at 2021 champs

no particular reason tbh
always been that way in every esports

It's difficult to form an opinion after just 3 games. Every team in NA are slow starters, they take time to adapt and understand. Even the gap between Loud and the other SA teams was huge last year.

he said rise of sa where ge and rrq plays

en3sk0se [#6]

he said rise of sa where ge and rrq plays

he meant south america not south asia there is 3 continents that start with the letter A (4 if you call oceania australia)

They are just dogshit in general. The only reason that may have kept them so high up last year was chamber.
I mean when you have players like Will making it to champs from LCQ as the main duelist of a team, you know the region has zero depth and skill.

NA, or usa however you want to call it, is always too competitive, but somehow they are lazy af on esports they dont grind as much for this as they do for actual irl sports, or in this case team e-sports because they have really cracked stars on individual e-sports such as fighting games ones. on the other han south america has brazil and argentina or even chile which are pretty good on many team-like irl-sports and e-sports

koromast [#9]

NA, or usa however you want to call it, is always too competitive, but somehow they are lazy af on esports they dont grind as much for this as they do for actual irl sports, or in this case team e-sports because they have really cracked stars on individual e-sports such as fighting games ones. on the other han south america has brazil and argentina or even chile which are pretty good on many team-like irl-sports and e-sports

They dont play international sports well too, only their own sports. The only sports domain where NA does well is the Olympics but even there china and EU compete with them.

Here is the problem, I've gone over anything.

Reason 1: Playstyle. Playstyles are hard to nail down, region-to-region and team-to-team, but NA has a specific playstyle. NA is very, very proactive, way more than any region. This causes a huge snowball, if they miss a timing they lose a massive amount of control or they get a pick and gain a ton of momentum in the round. Here's the issue, Brazil/Asia play really bundled and EMEA has extremely tight defaults. NA teams still rely heavily on just poking around to get a 1v1, but against global competition it's rarely ever a 1v1. This is why NA relied and used chamber so much better than the other regions, it allowed the best mechanical player to poke around with multiple safety options. The second part of the NA playstyle is partly becuase of this proactivity. NA Team are great individual players; NA teams are shitty teams. Look at NRG today, they had more success as individuals, but 2 MIBR players can play better off eachother than 3 NRG members. I'm refering more to midround utility, trading, and holding effective positions with the team and less of just running set plays. Look at how many times Ardiis played an angle and died without anything close to a trade. NA teams don't capitalize on their teammates like everyone else does.

Reason 1 TLDR - NA players do very well on their own, but are innately countered by the playstyles of other regions

Reason 2: Our IGL's are shit. Runi is the best fragging IGL, stellar is too inconstant to put up there. Runi is very good, he's super effective in his role while being an IGL. ALL THE GOOD FRAGGING IGL'S ARE IN FUCKING T2. EVEN FUCKING SHAZ WOULD DO BETTER THAN BOOSTIO, DEPH, AND FNS. AT LEAST FNS CALLS BETTER THAN MOST, BUT HE CAN'T FRAG FOR SHIT. JohnQT, previously mentioned Shahz, Valyn, even fucking Zander. All could produce better than those 3 fucks. This isn't a matter of "all our good players are in ascension", it's a matter of underproducing IGL's not being covered for, except for FNS cause he does call better than Boostio and Deph. But other than FNS, can you say any IGL in NA is better than most other franchised IGL's? Not really.

Reason 2 TLDR - NA IGL"s are below average players, and below average compared to other region's IGL's

Other things people say is that NA is spread too wide, I don't really think so (other than the small-time IGL's having better mechanics and maybe that M80 is better than EG). I do think though that the gap is being overstated. C9 still took a map of Loud. NRG and MIBR went to 3 close maps.

koromast [#7]

he meant south america not south asia there is 3 continents that start with the letter A (4 if you call oceania australia)

mb 😔

crashhacker1 [#10]

They dont play international sports well too, only their own sports. The only sports domain where NA does well is the Olympics but even there china and EU compete with them.

olympics have like dozens of sports and they pretty good on them thats what i meant

koromast [#13]

olympics have like dozens of sports and they pretty good on them thats what i meant

it is mostly archery/swimming/gymnastics tbf. They are all generally "individual" sports again, with no need for as much teamwork required in esports.

Wronghand [#11]

Here is the problem, I've gone over anything.

Reason 1: Playstyle. Playstyles are hard to nail down, region-to-region and team-to-team, but NA has a specific playstyle. NA is very, very proactive, way more than any region. This causes a huge snowball, if they miss a timing they lose a massive amount of control or they get a pick and gain a ton of momentum in the round. Here's the issue, Brazil/Asia play really bundled and EMEA has extremely tight defaults. NA teams still rely heavily on just poking around to get a 1v1, but against global competition it's rarely ever a 1v1. This is why NA relied and used chamber so much better than the other regions, it allowed the best mechanical player to poke around with multiple safety options. The second part of the NA playstyle is partly becuase of this proactivity. NA Team are great individual players; NA teams are shitty teams. Look at NRG today, they had more success as individuals, but 2 MIBR players can play better off eachother than 3 NRG members. I'm refering more to midround utility, trading, and holding effective positions with the team and less of just running set plays. Look at how many times Ardiis played an angle and died without anything close to a trade. NA teams don't capitalize on their teammates like everyone else does.

Reason 1 TLDR - NA players do very well on their own, but are innately countered by the playstyles of other regions

Reason 2: Our IGL's are shit. Runi is the best fragging IGL, stellar is too inconstant to put up there. Runi is very good, he's super effective in his role while being an IGL. ALL THE GOOD FRAGGING IGL'S ARE IN FUCKING T2. EVEN FUCKING SHAZ WOULD DO BETTER THAN BOOSTIO, DEPH, AND FNS. AT LEAST FNS CALLS BETTER THAN MOST, BUT HE CAN'T FRAG FOR SHIT. JohnQT, previously mentioned Shahz, Valyn, even fucking Zander. All could produce better than those 3 fucks. This isn't a matter of "all our good players are in ascension", it's a matter of underproducing IGL's not being covered for, except for FNS cause he does call better than Boostio and Deph. But other than FNS, can you say any IGL in NA is better than most other franchised IGL's? Not really.

Reason 2 TLDR - NA IGL"s are below average players, and below average compared to other region's IGL's

Other things people say is that NA is spread too wide, I don't really think so (other than the small-time IGL's having better mechanics and maybe that M80 is better than EG). I do think though that the gap is being overstated. C9 still took a map of Loud. NRG and MIBR went to 3 close maps.

nice paragraph but zander is a dogshit igl

SigmaMale [#15]

nice paragraph but zander is a dogshit igl

Boostio has a job bro, I can mention Zander.

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1 SA team in Champs LMAO