do you guys think it's possible that some big val names could migrate to cs2 once it starts being played professionally, just like what happened when val was launched?
what makes me think about it is the confirmation of tsm joining the cs scene in the future, but knowing cs2 is coming i think they will wait for it to start being played professionally for them to announce a team, and possibly start a val to cs2 exodus of players.
YEP lets just go back to the game that we can't go pro in KKKKK
https://www.hltv.org/player/8987/boaster
https://www.hltv.org/player/17942/derkeps
https://www.hltv.org/player/19022/ziz (Leo)
https://www.hltv.org/player/339/ange1
https://www.hltv.org/player/17013/shao
https://www.hltv.org/player/12314/stax
https://www.hltv.org/player/15066/rb
https://www.hltv.org/player/6451/fns
https://www.hltv.org/player/14365/s0m
https://www.hltv.org/player/13278/crashies
https://www.hltv.org/player/15500/ardiis
https://www.hltv.org/player/9875/food (Victor)
https://www.hltv.org/player/16096/crews
https://www.hltv.org/player/19908/bl4ck-j (sushiboys)
https://www.hltv.org/player/14577/foxz
https://www.hltv.org/player/13478/king
https://www.hltv.org/player/18546/n0zwer (nzr)
https://www.hltv.org/player/13177/stellar
https://www.hltv.org/player/15839/xeppaa
https://www.hltv.org/player/8513/yay
https://www.hltv.org/player/17939/leaf
https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis
https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream
https://www.hltv.org/player/19512/nivera
https://www.hltv.org/player/9545/xms
https://www.hltv.org/player/13396/hoody
https://www.hltv.org/player/13679/nukkye
https://www.hltv.org/player/10771/dubstep
https://www.hltv.org/player/13994/borkum
https://www.hltv.org/player/14918/f0rsaken
https://www.hltv.org/player/10262/mindfreak
https://www.hltv.org/player/8944/benkai
https://www.hltv.org/player/13476/d4v41
https://www.hltv.org/player/9585/laz
https://www.hltv.org/player/11430/crow
https://www.hltv.org/player/13242/takej
https://www.hltv.org/player/9587/reita
https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi
https://www.hltv.org/player/15645/nats
https://www.hltv.org/player/16869/redgar
FDWC- [#2]YEP lets just go back to the game that we can't go pro in KKKKK
https://www.hltv.org/player/8987/boaster
https://www.hltv.org/player/17942/derkeps
https://www.hltv.org/player/19022/ziz (Leo)
https://www.hltv.org/player/339/ange1
https://www.hltv.org/player/17013/shao
https://www.hltv.org/player/12314/stax
https://www.hltv.org/player/15066/rb
https://www.hltv.org/player/6451/fns
https://www.hltv.org/player/14365/s0m
https://www.hltv.org/player/13278/crashies
https://www.hltv.org/player/15500/ardiis
https://www.hltv.org/player/9875/food (Victor)
https://www.hltv.org/player/16096/crews
https://www.hltv.org/player/19908/bl4ck-j (sushiboys)
https://www.hltv.org/player/14577/foxz
https://www.hltv.org/player/13478/king
https://www.hltv.org/player/18546/n0zwer (nzr)
https://www.hltv.org/player/13177/stellar
https://www.hltv.org/player/15839/xeppaa
https://www.hltv.org/player/8513/yay
https://www.hltv.org/player/17939/leaf
https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis
https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream
https://www.hltv.org/player/19512/nivera
https://www.hltv.org/player/9545/xms
https://www.hltv.org/player/13396/hoody
https://www.hltv.org/player/13679/nukkye
https://www.hltv.org/player/10771/dubstep
https://www.hltv.org/player/13994/borkum
https://www.hltv.org/player/14918/f0rsaken
https://www.hltv.org/player/10262/mindfreak
https://www.hltv.org/player/8944/benkai
https://www.hltv.org/player/13476/d4v41
https://www.hltv.org/player/9585/laz
https://www.hltv.org/player/11430/crow
https://www.hltv.org/player/13242/takej
https://www.hltv.org/player/9587/reita
https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi
https://www.hltv.org/player/15645/nats
https://www.hltv.org/player/16869/redgar
You do realize most of those players are around 20 now so they were teenagers when they left cs right?
Mortadelo [#6]You do realize most of those players are around 20 now so they were teenagers when they left cs right?
https://www.hltv.org/player/19230/m0nesy
skill issues honestly
FDWC- [#7]https://www.hltv.org/player/19230/m0nesy
skill issues honestly
So if you're not a pro since you're 14 you're not good enough? How many players were successful before 17
Mortadelo [#8]So if you're not a pro since you're 14 you're not good enough? How many players were successful before 17
???????
You do realize most of those players are around 20
bro they launch valorant like 3 years ago
20-3 = 17
FDWC- [#9]???????
You do realize most of those players are around 20
bro they launch valorant like 3 years ago
20-3 = 17
14 is when monesy started to get known
I literally say 17 in my post
Mortadelo [#8]So if you're not a pro since you're 14 you're not good enough? How many players were successful before 17
a lot of the most notable ones. Ropz, niko, twistzz, and s1mple come to mind, but there’s more than that
No partnered player is going back to CS2.
Partnered Val pros with a CS history either:
Now that they've got success in valorant, they have zero reason to. The young dudes have built their brands as Valorant players.
MAYBE some older dudes will, but I still doubt that.
gamr [#11]a lot of the most notable ones. Ropz, niko, twistzz, and s1mple come to mind, but there’s more than that
And how many come to mind who got good after 17? More than they did before being 17 or less?
Mortadelo [#10]14 is when monesy started to get known
I literally say 17 in my post
m0nesy won his first csgo trophy before he turned 17 🤷
Mortadelo [#13]And how many come to mind who got good after 17? More than they did before being 17 or less?
pretty much like 80-90% of the best pros you can think of became tier 1 at 17-19. All teenagers.
FDWC- [#14]m0nesy won his first csgo trophy before he turned 17 🤷
Literally what I'm saying. But are you trying to defend that if you don't win trophies at the age of 17 you won't have a successful career?
gamr [#15]pretty much like 80-90% of the best pros you can think of became tier 1 at 17-19. All teenagers.
Which is when many of the valorant tier 1 players now left. Conclusion, we do not know what would have happened. Could have been ass because it's a different game, or maybe they would have been good
Mortadelo [#16]Literally what I'm saying. But are you trying to defend that if you don't win trophies at the age of 17 you won't have a successful career?
But are you trying to defend that if you don't win trophies at the age of 17 you won't have a successful career?
nope but if u don't compete in tier 1 cs before you turn 22 its kinda hard ngl
FDWC- [#2]YEP lets just go back to the game that we can't go pro in KKKKK
https://www.hltv.org/player/8987/boaster
https://www.hltv.org/player/17942/derkeps
https://www.hltv.org/player/19022/ziz (Leo)
https://www.hltv.org/player/339/ange1
https://www.hltv.org/player/17013/shao
https://www.hltv.org/player/12314/stax
https://www.hltv.org/player/15066/rb
https://www.hltv.org/player/6451/fns
https://www.hltv.org/player/14365/s0m
https://www.hltv.org/player/13278/crashies
https://www.hltv.org/player/15500/ardiis
https://www.hltv.org/player/9875/food (Victor)
https://www.hltv.org/player/16096/crews
https://www.hltv.org/player/19908/bl4ck-j (sushiboys)
https://www.hltv.org/player/14577/foxz
https://www.hltv.org/player/13478/king
https://www.hltv.org/player/18546/n0zwer (nzr)
https://www.hltv.org/player/13177/stellar
https://www.hltv.org/player/15839/xeppaa
https://www.hltv.org/player/8513/yay
https://www.hltv.org/player/17939/leaf
https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis
https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream
https://www.hltv.org/player/19512/nivera
https://www.hltv.org/player/9545/xms
https://www.hltv.org/player/13396/hoody
https://www.hltv.org/player/13679/nukkye
https://www.hltv.org/player/10771/dubstep
https://www.hltv.org/player/13994/borkum
https://www.hltv.org/player/14918/f0rsaken
https://www.hltv.org/player/10262/mindfreak
https://www.hltv.org/player/8944/benkai
https://www.hltv.org/player/13476/d4v41
https://www.hltv.org/player/9585/laz
https://www.hltv.org/player/11430/crow
https://www.hltv.org/player/13242/takej
https://www.hltv.org/player/9587/reita
https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi
https://www.hltv.org/player/15645/nats
https://www.hltv.org/player/16869/redgar
you had this one ready in the back pocket i respect it
Mortadelo [#17]Which is when many of the valorant tier 1 players now left. Conclusion, we do not know what would have happened. Could have been ass because it's a different game, or maybe they would have been good
they would have done nothing lets be real
Mortadelo [#17]Which is when many of the valorant tier 1 players now left. Conclusion, we do not know what would have happened. Could have been ass because it's a different game, or maybe they would have been good
Being real with you. Don't think they would've amounted to much.
FDWC- [#2]YEP lets just go back to the game that we can't go pro in KKKKK
https://www.hltv.org/player/8987/boaster
https://www.hltv.org/player/17942/derkeps
https://www.hltv.org/player/19022/ziz (Leo)
https://www.hltv.org/player/339/ange1
https://www.hltv.org/player/17013/shao
https://www.hltv.org/player/12314/stax
https://www.hltv.org/player/15066/rb
https://www.hltv.org/player/6451/fns
https://www.hltv.org/player/14365/s0m
https://www.hltv.org/player/13278/crashies
https://www.hltv.org/player/15500/ardiis
https://www.hltv.org/player/9875/food (Victor)
https://www.hltv.org/player/16096/crews
https://www.hltv.org/player/19908/bl4ck-j (sushiboys)
https://www.hltv.org/player/14577/foxz
https://www.hltv.org/player/13478/king
https://www.hltv.org/player/18546/n0zwer (nzr)
https://www.hltv.org/player/13177/stellar
https://www.hltv.org/player/15839/xeppaa
https://www.hltv.org/player/8513/yay
https://www.hltv.org/player/17939/leaf
https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis
https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream
https://www.hltv.org/player/19512/nivera
https://www.hltv.org/player/9545/xms
https://www.hltv.org/player/13396/hoody
https://www.hltv.org/player/13679/nukkye
https://www.hltv.org/player/10771/dubstep
https://www.hltv.org/player/13994/borkum
https://www.hltv.org/player/14918/f0rsaken
https://www.hltv.org/player/10262/mindfreak
https://www.hltv.org/player/8944/benkai
https://www.hltv.org/player/13476/d4v41
https://www.hltv.org/player/9585/laz
https://www.hltv.org/player/11430/crow
https://www.hltv.org/player/13242/takej
https://www.hltv.org/player/9587/reita
https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi
https://www.hltv.org/player/15645/nats
https://www.hltv.org/player/16869/redgar
I'm stealing this. Thanks.
FDWC- [#18]But are you trying to defend that if you don't win trophies at the age of 17 you won't have a successful career?
nope but if u don't compete in tier 1 cs before you turn 22 its kinda hard ngl
Alright, did some research too. Out of the 40 players you mentioned, 12 were MORE than the 22 years old the you set as the mark to be too late to go pro when Valorant was launched.
Ange1, fns, boaster, victor, crws, stellar, scream, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz, reita
Out of this 12, Ange1, FNS and scream were actually tier 1, so that's 9 players who didn't succeed left.
Out of those 9, 6, crws, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz and reita are asian. What does being a tier 1 Asian CS player really mean. Game and scene it's just not the same. Also many of the are IGL which is a role you usually shine later on your career
So that leaves Food, boaster and stellar. Victor was tier 2, boaster and stellar weren't really a thing but again, both shine in valorant because of their IGL skills which is a role acquired at a later age.
hekzy [#24]Being real with you. Don't think they would've amounted to much.
Probably not, it's a different game that requires different capabilities. But just assuming they have failed it's not really fair either because they didn't really get an actual chance
Mortadelo [#26]Alright, did some research too. Out of the 40 players you mentioned, 12 were MORE than the 22 years old the you set as the mark to be too late to go pro when Valorant was launched.
Ange1, fns, boaster, victor, crws, stellar, scream, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz, reita
Out of this 12, Ange1, FNS and scream were actually tier 1, so that's 9 players who didn't succeed left.Out of those 9, 6, crws, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz and reita are asian. What does being a tier 1 Asian CS player really mean. Game and scene it's just not the same. Also many of the are IGL which is a role you usually shine later on your career
So that leaves Food, boaster and stellar. Victor was tier 2, boaster and stellar weren't really a thing but again, both shine in valorant because of their IGL skills which is a role acquired at a later age.
good research 👍
SamBR [#29]"cs2" what a joke
same game with graphic changes
what u expecting?
want em to dash and can summon dog aswell?
& they haven't announce everything yet
yungbasel [#12]No partnered player is going back to CS2.
Partnered Val pros with a CS history either:
- Reached their peak in CS and decided to switch
- Got banned from CS and had no options
- Were very early in their careers and weren't that good.
Now that they've got success in valorant, they have zero reason to. The young dudes have built their brands as Valorant players.
MAYBE some older dudes will, but I still doubt that.
The only young dude that I know that may come back to cs is Jammpi
FDWC- [#28]good research 👍
I've got a question. Why did you create an alt to post a query, then answer with your main?
A query about which, nobody's as passionate as you. That your unemployed ass prolly spent hours researching? Like how fukin pointless is your existence lol?
muharrik [#33]I've got a question. Why did you create an alt to post a query, then answer with your main?
A query about which, nobody's as passionate as you. That your unemployed ass prolly spent hours researching? Like how fukin pointless is your existence lol?
Mortadelo
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yep surely this is my alt
smartest indian in vlr KKKKK
FDWC- [#7]https://www.hltv.org/player/19230/m0nesy
skill issues honestly
idk much about cs or the pro scene so i can't comment on anyone but damn winning two huge tournaments at 17 is fucking insane
FDWC- [#34]Mortadelo
Country: Spain
Registered: November 20, 2020
Last post: April 11, 2023 at 12:12 PM
Posts: 14014yep surely this is my alt
smartest indian in vlr KKKKK
I'm talking about the OP and your first reply to it. Brand new account, you reply within a minute of it being live. Nice attempt at deflection tho. Have a good life bro. You need help. Unironically.
muharrik [#37]I'm talking about the OP and your first reply to it. Brand new account, you reply within a minute of it being live. Nice attempt at deflection tho. Have a good life bro. You need help. Unironically.
im taking that as a compliment i guess... never thought my english as good as OP but thanks
mynamej3ff [#35]idk much about cs or the pro scene so i can't comment on anyone but damn winning two huge tournaments at 17 is fucking insane
Not just the trophies. 2022 was his first year in tier 1 cs and he was the #7 player of 2022
FDWC- [#30]what u expecting?
want em to dash and can summon dog aswell?
& they haven't announce everything yet
If they don't have a robust anticheat I can't imagine it be any different.
HLTV_BIGGEST_FAN [#32]The only young dude that I know that may come back to cs is Jammpi
I honestly doubt unless he gets a tier 1 offer or he really likes cs to be grinding tier 3 or tier 2 scene for a while. Even then u have to consider the players in tier 1 and the ones already grinding the game hard would be better options.
Mortadelo [#26]Alright, did some research too. Out of the 40 players you mentioned, 12 were MORE than the 22 years old the you set as the mark to be too late to go pro when Valorant was launched.
Ange1, fns, boaster, victor, crws, stellar, scream, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz, reita
Out of this 12, Ange1, FNS and scream were actually tier 1, so that's 9 players who didn't succeed left.Out of those 9, 6, crws, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz and reita are asian. What does being a tier 1 Asian CS player really mean. Game and scene it's just not the same. Also many of the are IGL which is a role you usually shine later on your career
So that leaves Food, boaster and stellar. Victor was tier 2, boaster and stellar weren't really a thing but again, both shine in valorant because of their IGL skills which is a role acquired at a later age.
You make valid points asian cs scene is just sad and a lot of them just don't have resources to succeed. Quality of teams are poor and game popularity is really low in some regions which leads many to not pursue pro.
CS2 is the same shit, same shit company that doesn't work... The same game, the same company that doesn't care about the community, creators, players, or anything, always outsources work because they are incapable of doing something (maps, skins, etc), don't care about cheats, don't care about people committing crimes in voice communication, the list goes on...
zeldrols [#42]If they don't have a robust anticheat I can't imagine it be any different.
they 100% will have a new VAC system
will prob copy valorant anti-cheat
FDWC- [#46]they 100% will have a new VAC system
will prob copy valorant anti-cheat
I hope so that's only way they can make their mm system not a joke and ppl don't need to use 3rd party.
I dont think many ppl from val will go back to cs except maybe scream or ethan. The reason y so many ppl came from cs to val was bc they couldnt cut it in cs and they were all in tier 2 cs. I'm pretty sure they would not find any more success then they did before if they did went back. Also I do not see the reason for going back if you are doing well in val.
Mortadelo [#17]Which is when many of the valorant tier 1 players now left. Conclusion, we do not know what would have happened. Could have been ass because it's a different game, or maybe they would have been good
No player in valorant wouldve amounted to much in csgo
CSGO on top of being harder, to break into the tier 1 pro scene, you'd have to be ungodly good at csgo which none of these players were even close to being.
Just drop it.
FDWC- [#46]they 100% will have a new VAC system
will prob copy valorant anti-cheat
Valve does not want an intrusive anti cheat
The best they might do is an opt-in intrusive anti cheat. Where you only matched with people who also opted in as well.
And those that didnt opt in get matched with those that didnt.
They wouldnt do what riot did.
zeldrols [#43]I honestly doubt unless he gets a tier 1 offer or he really likes cs to be grinding tier 3 or tier 2 scene for a while. Even then u have to consider the players in tier 1 and the ones already grinding the game hard would be better options.
Yup, and let's not forget there's a guaranteed salary for partnered players. Breaking into the paid tier for CS isn't going to be easy, thus, players aren't going to switch games without an offer already being on the table.
zeldrols [#43]I honestly doubt unless he gets a tier 1 offer or he really likes cs to be grinding tier 3 or tier 2 scene for a while. Even then u have to consider the players in tier 1 and the ones already grinding the game hard would be better options.
But he actually said he was looking for going back to CS. But not sure when. It's clear that he likes cs more, but he has opportunities on valorant
zeldrols [#42]If they don't have a robust anticheat I can't imagine it be any different.
true
CS is a game of cheaters
SamBR [#29]"cs2" what a joke
same game with graphic changes
Beside smokes all the things that are "new" should have been implemented years ago
FDWC- [#2]YEP lets just go back to the game that we can't go pro in KKKKK
https://www.hltv.org/player/8987/boaster
https://www.hltv.org/player/17942/derkeps
https://www.hltv.org/player/19022/ziz (Leo)
https://www.hltv.org/player/339/ange1
https://www.hltv.org/player/17013/shao
https://www.hltv.org/player/12314/stax
https://www.hltv.org/player/15066/rb
https://www.hltv.org/player/6451/fns
https://www.hltv.org/player/14365/s0m
https://www.hltv.org/player/13278/crashies
https://www.hltv.org/player/15500/ardiis
https://www.hltv.org/player/9875/food (Victor)
https://www.hltv.org/player/16096/crews
https://www.hltv.org/player/19908/bl4ck-j (sushiboys)
https://www.hltv.org/player/14577/foxz
https://www.hltv.org/player/13478/king
https://www.hltv.org/player/18546/n0zwer (nzr)
https://www.hltv.org/player/13177/stellar
https://www.hltv.org/player/15839/xeppaa
https://www.hltv.org/player/8513/yay
https://www.hltv.org/player/17939/leaf
https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis
https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream
https://www.hltv.org/player/19512/nivera
https://www.hltv.org/player/9545/xms
https://www.hltv.org/player/13396/hoody
https://www.hltv.org/player/13679/nukkye
https://www.hltv.org/player/10771/dubstep
https://www.hltv.org/player/13994/borkum
https://www.hltv.org/player/14918/f0rsaken
https://www.hltv.org/player/10262/mindfreak
https://www.hltv.org/player/8944/benkai
https://www.hltv.org/player/13476/d4v41
https://www.hltv.org/player/9585/laz
https://www.hltv.org/player/11430/crow
https://www.hltv.org/player/13242/takej
https://www.hltv.org/player/9587/reita
https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi
https://www.hltv.org/player/15645/nats
https://www.hltv.org/player/16869/redgar
from this list only xeppa and leaf would be tier 1 still if they stayed in csgo
you would have to be extremely stupid or trash at valorant if you are a pro player from NA and move to/back to cs with the current NA scene. It would be understandable if T2 players from EMEA moved to cs with how bad the leagues are right now (not talking about skill but how they are ran). I doubt a big chunk of the valorant fan base will move to cs2. maybe a few but then most of them will come back to valorant. if they didint like csgo then they wont like cs2
FDWC- [#2]YEP lets just go back to the game that we can't go pro in KKKKK
https://www.hltv.org/player/8987/boaster
https://www.hltv.org/player/17942/derkeps
https://www.hltv.org/player/19022/ziz (Leo)
https://www.hltv.org/player/339/ange1
https://www.hltv.org/player/17013/shao
https://www.hltv.org/player/12314/stax
https://www.hltv.org/player/15066/rb
https://www.hltv.org/player/6451/fns
https://www.hltv.org/player/14365/s0m
https://www.hltv.org/player/13278/crashies
https://www.hltv.org/player/15500/ardiis
https://www.hltv.org/player/9875/food (Victor)
https://www.hltv.org/player/16096/crews
https://www.hltv.org/player/19908/bl4ck-j (sushiboys)
https://www.hltv.org/player/14577/foxz
https://www.hltv.org/player/13478/king
https://www.hltv.org/player/18546/n0zwer (nzr)
https://www.hltv.org/player/13177/stellar
https://www.hltv.org/player/15839/xeppaa
https://www.hltv.org/player/8513/yay
https://www.hltv.org/player/17939/leaf
https://www.hltv.org/player/13188/zellsis
https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream
https://www.hltv.org/player/19512/nivera
https://www.hltv.org/player/9545/xms
https://www.hltv.org/player/13396/hoody
https://www.hltv.org/player/13679/nukkye
https://www.hltv.org/player/10771/dubstep
https://www.hltv.org/player/13994/borkum
https://www.hltv.org/player/14918/f0rsaken
https://www.hltv.org/player/10262/mindfreak
https://www.hltv.org/player/8944/benkai
https://www.hltv.org/player/13476/d4v41
https://www.hltv.org/player/9585/laz
https://www.hltv.org/player/11430/crow
https://www.hltv.org/player/13242/takej
https://www.hltv.org/player/9587/reita
https://www.hltv.org/player/14087/jamppi
https://www.hltv.org/player/15645/nats
https://www.hltv.org/player/16869/redgar
i respect the effort put into this even if it is a bad argument, +1
HLTV_BIGGEST_FAN [#39]Not just the trophies. 2022 was his first year in tier 1 cs and he was the #7 player of 2022
goddamn. good for him real shit
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