Whats your rankings for EMEA teams? Since i keep seeing people say that none of the good teams played yet, who are the good teams? Is vitality 4 now? Everyone was saying KOI was 4 and better than NRG. Either way your region is kinda mid
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Nobody said KOI was favorite against NRG. Having the potential of being a dark horse is very different and we obviously hoped for it.
About the ranking of our teams. My opinion is that our top 6 is clearly divided into 2 groups.
1st group is FNC, TL, NAVI, which I don't really know how to rank until we see em, only guess I have is ranking TL a bit lower since they changed the most players but it's just to say something cause I really don't know
2nd group is Vit, Giants and KOI. KOI still has that potential to be a dark horse and I feel like in the future they will be the best of this 3 but they've proven they are not yet, they need more time. Giants has had a great showing and might be top 4 rn depending on what Vitality does. Vitality has looked great in the offseason, probably better than what we saw from KOI so far but idk how that will translate here.
NG1nS [#6]1~3 TL, FNATİC,NAVI
4~6 GIANTS,VIT,KC
7~10 KOI, HERETICS, BBL, FUTin no order is what i think the ranking is
edit: OMG it blew up!!! ummm i wanna thank my family and everyone involved i couldn't have done it without you
why the downvotes bruh
1-2: Fnatic, NaVi (not in order)
3: Liquid
4-6: KOI, Giants, Vitality (not in order)
7: Heretics
8: KCorp
9: BBL
10: FUT
But I think that especially 7-9 can change, but too early to tell.
Reasoning: NaVi and Fnatic both have a core and really stacked roster on paper. Liquid might be there as well, but I have more questions for them and they might have some issues with language barrier and roles at start. KOI, Giants and Vitality all have good rosters IMO especially the first 2 and I also think that these teams especially Vitality have a clear vision and project and are built by people who actually want to do well in the league. Heretics roster is just so uninspiring and full of players who had weak 2022. I just don't see any vision. KCorp is griefing themselves by going full French, but they still have Scream and Nivera who are good. And BBL and FUT are just same core for most part as they had before and didn't make any massive changes outside of BBL getting and IGL. Turkish teams just lack structure and strats I think like always.
ambo69 [#15]5 EMEA teams went home before a single NA team
That’s what happens when you have half the teams
NG1nS [#13]why the downvotes bruh
no clue, this is pretty good. the top 3 is pretty definite, the order is just yet to be seen. I'd say move KC down to below Heretics tho. current performances show otherwise, but koi and hrtcs both have higher ceilings imo
WinterZ [#8]
- TL
- NaVi
- FNC
- GIA
- VIT
- KCORP
- KOI
- TH
- BBL
- FUT
in what sense are vit,kcorp and giants better than koi
Birssa [#12]1 TL
2 NaVi
3 FNC.
4-6 KCORP GIA VIT
7-8 KOI TH
9 BBL
10 FUT
how are so many people having koi top fucking 7&8 because of 1 bo3 lmfao,they could have literally 2-0'd nrg if a couple rounds went differently
asdfgh [#18]in what sense are vit,kcorp and giants better than koi
between starxos form being straight up dogshit, sheydos being forced onto agents like Killjoy and Wolfen needing time to adjust to a Tier 1 environment, there’s just not much good to say about KOI atm.
orqn [#4]I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all NA>EU
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NG1nS [#6]1~3 TL, FNATİC,NAVI
4~6 GIANTS,VIT,KC
7~10 KOI, HERETICS, BBL, FUTin no order is what i think the ranking is
edit: OMG it blew up!!! ummm i wanna thank my family and everyone involved i couldn't have done it without you
based except Koi is the 4th best team
WinterZ [#22]between starxos form being straight up dogshit, sheydos being forced onto agents like Killjoy and Wolfen needing time to adjust to a Tier 1 environment, there’s just not much good to say about KOI atm.
and what good is there exactly to say about kcorp,vit or giants
asdfgh [#26]and what good is there exactly to say about kcorp,vit or giants
KCORP: great firepower in ScreaM and Nivera as well as SHIN who is a very promising talent. Also the whole team speaks French making communication seamless.
VIT: Picked up 2 extremely solid players in MOLSI and Twisten as well as retaining their Champions winning IGL BONECOLD. Also picked up the mastermind coaches behind OGLU's top 4 LCQ finish as well as Fnatic's marcus_askildsen.
GIA: Picked up Cloud and nukkye who were arguably the best players on their respective teams as well as proven, LAN tested coaching staff in Milan and pipsoN. Extremely flexible core who can play just about any role if needed giving them an edge over other teams.
asdfgh [#26]and what good is there exactly to say about kcorp,vit or giants
KC - no language barrier
Vit - they are pretty much a world contender as long as they replace destrian
Giants - same but with fitinho (they should get an IGL)
patuj [#14]1-2: Fnatic, NaVi (not in order)
3: Liquid
4-6: KOI, Giants, Vitality (not in order)
7: Heretics
8: KCorp
9: BBL
10: FUTBut I think that especially 7-9 can change, but too early to tell.
Reasoning: NaVi and Fnatic both have a core and really stacked roster on paper. Liquid might be there as well, but I have more questions for them and they might have some issues with language barrier and roles at start. KOI, Giants and Vitality all have good rosters IMO especially the first 2 and I also think that these teams especially Vitality have a clear vision and project and are built by people who actually want to do well in the league. Heretics roster is just so uninspiring and full of players who had weak 2022. I just don't see any vision. KCorp is griefing themselves by going full French, but they still have Scream and Nivera who are good. And BBL and FUT are just same core for most part as they had before and didn't make any massive changes outside of BBL getting and IGL. Turkish teams just lack structure and strats I think like always.
Replace BBL with Heretics
asdfgh [#19]the top 3 is clear but everyone else can just fluke and have good games and shit ones,koi and giants are still 4&5,kcorp and vita probably 6&7,and heretics &turkey bottom 3,but heretics is just so hit and miss they can beat a lot of top teams if they play good but overall they are so inconsistent
Their strat is sit and pray that kellogs carry
WinterZ [#27]KCORP: great firepower in ScreaM and Nivera as well as SHIN who is a very promising talent. Also the whole team speaks French making communication seamless.
VIT: Picked up 2 extremely solid players in MOLSI and Twisten as well as retaining their Champions winning IGL BONECOLD. Also picked up the mastermind coaches behind OGLU's top 4 LCQ finish as well as Fnatic's marcus_askildsen.
GIA: Picked up Cloud and nukkye who were arguably the best players on their respective teams as well as proven, LAN tested coaching staff in Milan and pipsoN. Extremely flexible core who can play just about any role if needed giving them an edge over other teams.
yeah these are great qualities but what makes you think it makes them better than koi
hekzy [#28]KC - no language barrier
Vit - they are pretty much a world contender as long as they replace destrian
Giants - same but with fitinho (they should get an IGL)
how the fuck are vit even close to contender lmfao
patuj [#14]1-2: Fnatic, NaVi (not in order)
3: Liquid
4-6: KOI, Giants, Vitality (not in order)
7: Heretics
8: KCorp
9: BBL
10: FUTBut I think that especially 7-9 can change, but too early to tell.
Reasoning: NaVi and Fnatic both have a core and really stacked roster on paper. Liquid might be there as well, but I have more questions for them and they might have some issues with language barrier and roles at start. KOI, Giants and Vitality all have good rosters IMO especially the first 2 and I also think that these teams especially Vitality have a clear vision and project and are built by people who actually want to do well in the league. Heretics roster is just so uninspiring and full of players who had weak 2022. I just don't see any vision. KCorp is griefing themselves by going full French, but they still have Scream and Nivera who are good. And BBL and FUT are just same core for most part as they had before and didn't make any massive changes outside of BBL getting and IGL. Turkish teams just lack structure and strats I think like always.
Liquid won't have language barrier. Nats speaks good english and Redgar is more than manageable even if not good
WinterZ [#8]
- TL
- NaVi
- FNC
- GIA
- VIT
- KCORP
- KOI
- TH
- BBL
- FUT
TL haven't even played an official yet and you have them at no.1 lol
asdfgh [#34]how the fuck are vit even close to contender lmfao
ceNder is top5 sentinel
Molsi top5 initiator
TwisteN top5 duelist
Bonecold top5 IGL
(In EMEA)
Destrian is kinda shit and once they replace him for somebody great at flash-init at top5. Then they will be able to compete with fnc,TL,Navi.
Giants needs a proper IGL and a proper duelist.
KOi need to replace starxo and maybe even need an upgrade on Wolfen depending on whether he was a onetrick chamber.
yungbasel [#38]TL haven't even played an official yet and you have them at no.1 lol
its that fanboy hopium brotha :)
asdfgh [#33]yeah these are great qualities but what makes you think it makes them better than koi
KOI have too many factors limiting them as mentioned in #24
wizardbot [#37]Liquid won't have language barrier. Nats speaks good english and Redgar is more than manageable even if not good
Yes but its really different leading and making calls in English compared to doing small interviews. Even Jamppi said on someone's chat (Sliggy?) that teams with native English speaking IGLs like Boaster have big advantage, so there might have been some issues in TL.
hekzy [#29]Replace BBL with Heretics
Yeah I think 7,8 and 9 are up in the air, but I think Heretics' peak is highest out of the 3 but they will likely be inconsistent af. But after this tournament I think KCorp might do better.
Congo1 [#48]Tier 1 Fnc, Liquid, Navi
Tier 2 Giants, Vitality
Tier 3 KOI, Kcorp, BBL
Tier 4 FUT, Heretics
Heretics are dogshit and KC is actually good. People just have a hateboner or smth.
Koi tier 2 **
NG1nS [#6]1~3 TL, FNATİC,NAVI
4~6 GIANTS,VIT,KC
7~10 KOI, HERETICS, BBL, FUTin no order is what i think the ranking is
edit: OMG it blew up!!! ummm i wanna thank my family and everyone involved i couldn't have done it without you
i think koi will be better than vit or kc
patuj [#46]Yeah I think 7,8 and 9 are up in the air, but I think Heretics' peak is highest out of the 3 but they will likely be inconsistent af. But after this tournament I think KCorp might do better.
Nah, they poopoo. They have star players who aren't really in form. And these two have to carry three certified bots.
hekzy [#51]Nah, they poopoo. They have star players who aren't really in form. And these two have to carry three certified bots.
That's why I said peak. If keloqz, zeek and Avova play to level of their peaks they are good, but they are inconsistent and had weak 2022.
patuj [#45]Yes but its really different leading and making calls in English compared to doing small interviews. Even Jamppi said on someone's chat (Sliggy?) that teams with native English speaking IGLs like Boaster have big advantage, so there might have been some issues in TL.
Maybe but im not just talking about small interviews. Nats does full streams in English, its more than good. Redgar does english streams too, its weaker than Nats' but still decent for someone new
NG1nS [#6]1~3 TL, FNATİC,NAVI
4~6 GIANTS,VIT,KC
7~10 KOI, HERETICS, BBL, FUTin no order is what i think the ranking is
edit: OMG it blew up!!! ummm i wanna thank my family and everyone involved i couldn't have done it without you
I disagree on KOI and Heretics being in the same level as BBL and FUT
Mine would be that
S - NaVi, Fnatic, Liquid
A - Giants, VIT
B - KOI, Heretics, KC
C - BBL
D - FUT
Marshal_D_Teach [#55]I disagree on KOI and Heretics being in the same level as BBL and FUT
Mine would be that
S - NaVi, Fnatic, Liquid
A - Giants, VIT
B - KOI, Heretics, KC
C - BBL
D - FUT
yeah this is more accurate but BBL and FUT could switch maybe idk
Luck_ [#35]should be but they giot shat on this tourney
Getting shat on by nrg >>>> getting 2-0 by Eg
NG1nS [#6]1~3 TL, FNATİC,NAVI
4~6 GIANTS,VIT,KC
7~10 KOI, HERETICS, BBL, FUTin no order is what i think the ranking is
edit: OMG it blew up!!! ummm i wanna thank my family and everyone involved i couldn't have done it without you
I would swap koi and KC but that’s a good list
patuj [#52]That's why I said peak. If keloqz, zeek and Avova play to level of their peaks they are good, but they are inconsistent and had weak 2022.
AvovA is never gonna play to his peak again. Early 2021 was his peak.
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