C9 gets the most hate on this site, literally everyone says they will lose immediately in Brazil. Any posts defending C9 get mass downvoted.
Yet all I see is you braindead sheep saying “🤓C9 is overrated🤓”
With all the hate they get they are in fact UNDERRATED for lock-in. I love PRX but let’s not forget they lost to dogshit Liquid (one of the worst teams to ever touch the game)
UnrivaleD [#7]liquid who u calling dogshit qualified many time and made it higher than ur trash core c9 players did lol, i feel bad for yay playing with these teamates , you're delusional if u wanna compare fns igling to vanity , or vicotor and crashies to xeepa and zelsis, beside ur post is cornya dn cringe af
not hard for liquid to qualify in EMEA. very low skill region with only 1 good team
GooberBoy [#11]As long as Yay is able/willing to pick up something like Sage and Breach on the more inside based maps they can succeed. IMO they have 4 of the 15 best players in NA and Vanity is the best fragging IGL up there with Boostio and Stellar.
4 of the best 15??????????
DarkLNM [#12]4 of the best 15??????????
I do my own personal rating systems for DOMESTIC(not counting international) play in NA and I had Yay as the best, Leaf top 5, and Zellsis and Xeppaa top 15. I don't think the argument with c9 flopping is their talent. For me they have far and away the most talented team. But of the 4 actual competitive teams in NA they have the least time played internationally in 2022 and Vanity has been the worst of the 4 IGLs since 2022. That's not to say they can't make up for that but saying that their players aren't the most elite is short selling them. The only team that really comes close for me is sentinels but I see such a huge gap between yay and tenz that it makes up for SEN having sacy and pancada.
GooberBoy [#13]I do my own personal rating systems for DOMESTIC(not counting international) play in NA and I had Yay as the best, Leaf top 5, and Zellsis and Xeppaa top 15. I don't think the argument with c9 flopping is their talent. For me they have far and away the most talented team. But of the 4 actual competitive teams in NA they have the least time played internationally in 2022 and Vanity has been the worst of the 4 IGLs since 2022. That's not to say they can't make up for that but saying that their players aren't the most elite is short selling them. The only team that really comes close for me is sentinels but I see such a huge gap between yay and tenz that it makes up for SEN having sacy and pancada.
Every member of 100T non igl is top 15 then
DarkLNM [#14]Every member of 100T non igl is top 15 then
I agree, they both have very well built teams, but the ceiling of C9 seems much higher. I think Stellar out IGLed Vanity last year but in general I think Vanity is more likely to bring a team farther and has shown that he can do that. I rate Mce>Mikes as coaches and I think when C9 is on they have a better fragging squad overall than 100T. The problem is that they have less experience recently and Xeppaa will need to be able to perform on Sova. I personally see 100T as similar to C9 but a slight tier below if I'm putting money on who will be the champion by the end of the year.
GooberBoy [#15]I agree, they both have very well built teams, but the ceiling of C9 seems much higher. I think Stellar out IGLed Vanity last year but in general I think Vanity is more likely to bring a team farther and has shown that he can do that. I rate Mce>Mikes as coaches and I think when C9 is on they have a better fragging squad overall than 100T. The problem is that they have less experience recently and Xeppaa will need to be able to perform on Sova. I personally see 100T as similar to C9 but a slight tier below if I'm putting money on who will be the champion by the end of the year.
Interesting which players do you think are better or have a higher ceiling for this year?
Personally I think:
Cryo is worse than yay at the moment but has a much higher ceiling on 100T than xset while yay has a lower ceiling on c9 than he did on optic
Bang is a top 3 smoke na
Asuna is a star player just like leaf and has done overall better and he’s gonna get better at 100t
His raze and Reyna are some of the best in the world and he’s a strong initiator
Derrek is better than Xeppaa i think
DarkLNM [#16]Interesting which players do you think are better or have a higher ceiling for this year?
Personally I think:
Cryo is worse than yay at the moment but has a much higher ceiling on 100T than xset while yay has a lower ceiling on c9 than he did on optic
Bang is a top 3 smoke na
Asuna is a star player just like leaf and has done overall better and he’s gonna get better at 100t
His raze and Reyna are some of the best in the world and he’s a strong initiatorDerrek is better than Xeppaa i think
Yay is better than Cryo for sure, Cryo is great and its not wrong to label him as having a crazy high ceiling, but how much higher is his ceiling compared to what Yay has already done? I'd argue what we want Cryo to be is what Yay is.
At an IGLing standpoint I see Vanity as having a higher ceiling as both a fragger(look at this years LCQ and past tournaments) and as an actual IGL(lead two different teams to international success)
Leaf IMO has an equal or higher ceiling than Asuna. People forget he's still younger than Asuna and has more potential to flex. Asuna Raze>Leaf Raze but I trust leaf more on Jett if he needs to play it, plus he seems likely to be a star on sentinel agents. Asuna is still crazy and IMO they're 3a and 3b when it comes to potential between these teams.
Bang I think has the highest ceiling of the rest of the 4, but I'd say Xeppaa and Zellsis are 2-3. I think Derrek is great and currently on Sova which is meta he's above Xeppaa, but I think Xeppaa for sure has the ability to get ahead of him, and I personally think Derrek has shown to be fantastic but IDK how much better he's getting.
And lastly I think mCe deserves to be praised more than Mikes and took the Guard to higher success than any new team and coach ever had. He did that with an objectively weaker roster, which is why I have such high hopes for a C9 team that has pretty obvious team chemistry(only rivaled by 100T likely)
I_HATE_MCE [#8]not hard for liquid to qualify in EMEA. very low skill region with only 1 good team
Low skill LMAO EMEA has the most trophies lil bro
thinking paper rex clears them isnt hate bro, not like c9 cant win against prx its just yay cant carry 4 vct online players against a top 5 team of the world at a meta which actually helps them because they didnt even chamber abused or fade abused at all so the nerf doesnt even affect them like how it does to C9.
GooberBoy [#18]Yay is better than Cryo for sure, Cryo is great and its not wrong to label him as having a crazy high ceiling, but how much higher is his ceiling compared to what Yay has already done? I'd argue what we want Cryo to be is what Yay is.
At an IGLing standpoint I see Vanity as having a higher ceiling as both a fragger(look at this years LCQ and past tournaments) and as an actual IGL(lead two different teams to international success)
Leaf IMO has an equal or higher ceiling than Asuna. People forget he's still younger than Asuna and has more potential to flex. Asuna Raze>Leaf Raze but I trust leaf more on Jett if he needs to play it, plus he seems likely to be a star on sentinel agents. Asuna is still crazy and IMO they're 3a and 3b when it comes to potential between these teams.
Bang I think has the highest ceiling of the rest of the 4, but I'd say Xeppaa and Zellsis are 2-3. I think Derrek is great and currently on Sova which is meta he's above Xeppaa, but I think Xeppaa for sure has the ability to get ahead of him, and I personally think Derrek has shown to be fantastic but IDK how much better he's getting.
And lastly I think mCe deserves to be praised more than Mikes and took the Guard to higher success than any new team and coach ever had. He did that with an objectively weaker roster, which is why I have such high hopes for a C9 team that has pretty obvious team chemistry(only rivaled by 100T likely)
You guys have really good takes and it fills me with joy 2 people having a logically discussion without calling the other shit, I was going to chime in cause you said something really really interesting which is the same exact take as me. 2 days ago i made a post on reddit(you mightve seen) basically saying everyone thinks C9 won't be all that good, many people have come to that consensus other than C9 fans ofc. The reason my stonks for C9 are so high,. well you just said it, the main reason is that mCe was able to take a new team like guard all the way from the bottom to who many people would agree, a top 2 team in challengers. and bring them to a LAN. so if mCe was able to do that with Guard, I argue that he can do with the C9 which I say aswell is an objectively better roster than the guard, thats really my main thing, like yeh they got yay and zellsis and they ofc are elite imo, but the main thing for me was in my mind . "mCe took a weaker/newer roster than c9, GUARD , and brought them from a bottom team, to a LAN(almost beat Optic, best team of 2022) and made them one of the best teams in challengers(many people as myself and if you watch sliggy he said it as well, believe are actually better than some of these franchise teams) So if he is able to do that with a weaker team, I can only dream what he will be to do with a better roster(imo, up for debate ofc) like c9."
PoloSway [#23]You guys have really good takes and it fills me with joy 2 people having a logically discussion without calling the other shit, I was going to chime in cause you said something really really interesting which is the same exact take as me. 2 days ago i made a post on reddit(you mightve seen) basically saying everyone thinks C9 won't be all that good, many people have come to that consensus other than C9 fans ofc. The reason my stonks for C9 are so high,. well you just said it, the main reason is that mCe was able to take a new team like guard all the way from the bottom to who many people would agree, a top 2 team in challengers. and bring them to a LAN. so if mCe was able to do that with Guard, I argue that he can do with the C9 which I say aswell is an objectively better roster than the guard, thats really my main thing, like yeh they got yay and zellsis and they ofc are elite imo, but the main thing for me was in my mind . "mCe took a weaker/newer roster than c9, GUARD , and brought them from a bottom team, to a LAN(almost beat Optic, best team of 2022) and made them one of the best teams in challengers(many people as myself and if you watch sliggy he said it as well, believe are actually better than some of these franchise teams) So if he is able to do that with a weaker team, I can only dream what he will be to do with a better roster(imo, up for debate ofc) like c9."
no one cares about your reddit post lmfao
C9 Esports is a professional esports organization based in the United States, known for its teams in multiple games, including League of Legends and Valorant.
The notion of a team or player being "overrated" is subjective and can vary depending on a person's own preferences, expectations, and experiences. Some people might believe that C9 Esports is overrated due to its recent performance or roster changes, while others might believe that the organization has earned its reputation and success through hard work and skill.
Ultimately, whether or not C9 Esports is overrated is a matter of personal perspective and can change based on future performance and results.
DjOOII_213 [#25]C9 Esports is a professional esports organization based in the United States, known for its teams in multiple games, including League of Legends and Valorant.
The notion of a team or player being "overrated" is subjective and can vary depending on a person's own preferences, expectations, and experiences. Some people might believe that C9 Esports is overrated due to its recent performance or roster changes, while others might believe that the organization has earned its reputation and success through hard work and skill.
Ultimately, whether or not C9 Esports is overrated is a matter of personal perspective and can change based on future performance and results.
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