I saw a tweet from florescent about her voice.
and then i saw this thread on VLR saying that she is trans https://www.vlr.gg/152305/florescent
Just need confirmation about this topic
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florescent [#6]i have a voice and 3 arms watch out yall
does the third arm help you aim ?
i need to rank up
florescent [#6]i have a voice and 3 arms watch out yall
I wonder when you will use that third arm on me 😩
andrewdamf [#14]lil bro is stalking posts about herself💀
ive stalked every forum on vlr while waiting for matches
florescent [#6]i have a voice and 3 arms watch out yall
the bonkers flair its the best LMAO why tf didnt i knew it was like that before? 💀
koromast [#18]the bonkers flair its the best LMAO why tf didnt i knew it was like that before? 💀
bonkers inactive, flair prolly gone soon
got signed by an org
andrewdamf [#14]lil bro is stalking posts about herself💀
you really edited it from "her" to "himself" just to be transphobic??
spookmeister [#22]you really edited it from "her" to "himself" just to be transphobic??
common andrew da mf L
spookmeister [#22]you really edited it from "her" to "himself" just to be transphobic??
no? i edited because it was broken english lmfao
mf really said im transphobic when florescent herself didnt care im dead
andrewdamf [#24]no? i edited because it was broken english lmfao
mf really said im transphobic when florescent herself didnt care im dead
so make it herself?
andrewdamf [#24]no? i edited because it was broken english lmfao
mf really said im transphobic when florescent herself didnt care im dead
you got called out, just own up to it. You forgot you weren't being a big enough asshole so you needed to misgender someone infinitely more successful than you
ambo69 [#26]you got called out, just own up to it. You forgot you weren't being a big enough asshole so you needed to misgender someone infinitely more successful than you
you got called out, just own up to it. You forgot you weren't being a big enough asshole so you needed to misgender someone infinitely more successful than you 🤓
yeah bro i def did that to feel sooo powerful!!!!! #canceled #transphobic #exposed
andrewdamf [#27]you got called out, just own up to it. You forgot you weren't being a big enough asshole so you needed to misgender someone infinitely more successful than you 🤓
yeah bro i def did that to feel sooo powerful!!!!! #canceled #transphobic #exposed
nerd emoji all you want, doesnt prove me wrong
ambo69 [#28]nerd emoji all you want, doesnt prove me wrong
yeah doesn't prove you wrong because you weren't right to begin with
florescent [#6]i have a voice and 3 arms watch out yall
u are on this site way too much bro its not healthy
spookmeister [#20]bonkers inactive, flair prolly gone soon
got signed by an org
rip in peace best flair :(
ambo69 [#26]you got called out, just own up to it. You forgot you weren't being a big enough asshole so you needed to misgender someone infinitely more successful than you
"Misgender" 🤣
ash_knuckles [#30]u are on this site way too much bro its not healthy
ash_knuckles
Registered: January 13, 2023
Posts: 94
Posts per day: 10.4
On this site: way too much
andrewdamf [#14]lil bro is stalking posts about herself💀
most trans do it on most social media. they're very insecure. no amount of moderation will help their kind likable to people.
crashhacker1 [#34]most trans do it on most social media. they're very insecure. no amount of moderation will help their kind likable to people.
wtf did i even do bro i just exist i dont harm anyone or go out of my way to be a nuisance xd
florescent [#35]wtf did i even do bro i just exist i dont harm anyone or go out of my way to be a nuisance xd
this thread is just honey to the swarm of transphobes, just ignore it as much as you can. 0 moderation on transphobia on this website
ortuh [#36]this thread is just honey to the swarm of transphobes, just ignore it as much as you can. 0 moderation on transphobia on this website
i mean idrc its their own opinion but im just confused mainly
ortuh [#36]this thread is just honey to the swarm of transphobes, just ignore it as much as you can. 0 moderation on transphobia on this website
I wish they would ban woke sheeps who go by feelings and sympathy instead of brain and biology knowledge
And no you're completely wrong, people are getting banned for months for saying facts which oppose modern western values
ortuh [#33]ash_knuckles
Registered: January 13, 2023
Posts: 94
Posts per day: 10.4
On this site: way too much
only reason i even made an acct in the first place is cus im hella depressed and want to spam dogshit opinions and farm upfrags for miniscule amts of dopamine like the rest of the degens on here . when i get back to doing shit im def not gonna be on here as much lol
florescent [#35]wtf did i even do bro i just exist i dont harm anyone or go out of my way to be a nuisance xd
you're mostly cool but ive stopped talking to trans people and bretty sure many did because they couldnt argue with trans people about anything without getting banned/muted for months. so its a perpetual cycle where over protection of your kind turns people away from trans people.
ortuh [#36]this thread is just honey to the swarm of transphobes, just ignore it as much as you can. 0 moderation on transphobia on this website
prefer it unmoderated tbh. constructing an echochamber is never good. i really dont think she wants to hear a reply to that question tho
ash_knuckles [#41]prefer it unmoderated tbh. constructing an echochamber is never good. i really dont think she wants to hear a reply to that question tho
VLR still seems to better than Reddit Valorant sub in terms of free speech
andrewdamf [#14]lil bro is stalking posts about herself💀
The reality is a lot of pros actually go on here. They already read all the embarassing posts vlr makes.
Olofboost [#38]I wish they would ban woke sheeps who go by feelings and sympathy instead of brain and biology knowledge
And no you're completely wrong, people are getting banned for months for saying facts which oppose modern western values
If people are getting banned for transphobia how are half the comments in this thread still a thing.
And maybe I’m misunderstanding the meaning of what it is to be a sheep, I thought its where you blindly follow the norm without giving a thought or acting in denial that there is any other alternative to the thoughts placed in your heads by the people before you. But that would mean that people who are against trans people (who are mostly completely uneducated on the subject and just give the easiest reaction to it) would be the sheep following the old system?
Maybe I’m misunderstanding sorry!
ash_knuckles [#39]only reason i even made an acct in the first place is cus im hella depressed and want to spam dogshit opinions and farm upfrags for miniscule amts of dopamine like the rest of the degens on here . when i get back to doing shit im def not gonna be on here as much lol
Quite a Based W I respect it
ash_knuckles [#41]prefer it unmoderated tbh. constructing an echochamber is never good. i really dont think she wants to hear a reply to that question tho
But how is discussing something about a real person in a negative way relevant to valorant, they say they are trans, they play valorant. If you want transphobia threads to discuss your already confirmed prejudices on go to 4chan or somewhere that isn’t a valorant forum
ortuh [#44]If people are getting banned for transphobia how are half the comments in this thread still a thing.
And maybe I’m misunderstanding the meaning of what it is to be a sheep, I thought its where you blindly follow the norm without giving a thought or acting in denial that there is any other alternative to the thoughts placed in your heads by the people before you. But that would mean that people who are against trans people (who are mostly completely uneducated on the subject and just give the easiest reaction to it) would be the sheep following the old system?
Maybe I’m misunderstanding sorry!
I am not against trans people, I am against seeing them in female-only esports. They must compete with men and only men, because they are biologically born as such.
Olofboost [#47]I am not against trans people, I am against seeing them in female-only esports. They must compete with men and only men, because they are biologically born as such.
????? Lmfao
ortuh [#46]But how is discussing something about a real person in a negative way relevant to valorant, they say they are trans, they play valorant. If you want transphobia threads to discuss your already confirmed prejudices on go to 4chan or somewhere that isn’t a valorant forum
They may play Valorant, but them playing in Gamechangers is unfair for others and it hurts the purpose of the tournament series.
ortuh [#46]But how is discussing something about a real person in a negative way relevant to valorant, they say they are trans, they play valorant. If you want transphobia threads to discuss your already confirmed prejudices on go to 4chan or somewhere that isn’t a valorant forum
vlr is way more than a forum to discuss just val matches, and its users are way too degen to stick to discussing only that lol. overmoderation is the death of any open forum.
Olofboost [#47]I am not against trans people, I am against seeing them in female-only esports. They must compete with men and only men, because they are biologically born as such.
wait i HAVE BEEN WAITING to argue this! if they identify as female, and there aren't any significant differences btw men and women in gaming spaces, why can't they just compete there then?
ash_knuckles [#52]wait i HAVE BEEN WAITING to argue this! if they identify as female, and there aren't any significant differences btw men and women in gaming spaces, why can't they just compete there then?
There is at least 15ms difference between average man and average woman visual reaction time, in men favour.
In FPS it plays a huge role.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/
Here it says mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms, even more:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.
Olofboost [#49]They may play Valorant, but them playing in Gamechangers is unfair for others and it hurts the purpose of the tournament series.
GameChangers is a tournament made to showcase both women and other magrinalized genders. so it in fact, does not.
florescent [#15]ive stalked every forum on vlr while waiting for matches
Every thread**
Minor spelling mistake, I win.
ash_knuckles [#54]GameChangers is a tournament made to showcase both women and other magrinalized genders. so it in fact, does not.
Which is dumb. Marginalized genders don't exist - it's just people, here men, who want to be unique.
Olofboost [#53]There is at least 15ms difference between average man and average woman visual reaction time, in men favour.
In FPS it plays a huge role.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/Here it says mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms, even more:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.
15 ms means jackshit jesse what the hell are you talking about
gamr [#57]15 ms means jackshit jesse what the hell are you talking about
It means a lot of difference in FPS gaming.
This might be more telling:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.
Mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms.
Olofboost [#58]It means a lot of difference in FPS gaming.
This might be more telling:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.Mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms.
bro i can assure you it doesnt matter. there are pros in CS with 160 ms reaction time and there are pros with 200 ms reaction time. that's a 40 ms difference and yet players in both ranges are equally competent
Olofboost [#53]There is at least 15ms difference between average man and average woman visual reaction time, in men favour.
In FPS it plays a huge role.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/Here it says mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms, even more:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.
you do realize how tiny 15ms is bro
gamr [#59]bro i can assure you it doesnt matter. there are pros in CS with 160 ms reaction time and there are pros with 200 ms reaction time. that's a 40 ms difference and yet players in both ranges are equally competent
It does matter. 23ms.
You say men and women are equal in reaction time - I prove they're not equal. Then you say it doesn't matter anyway?
Olofboost [#53]There is at least 15ms difference between average man and average woman visual reaction time, in men favour.
In FPS it plays a huge role.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/Here it says mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms, even more:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.
Finally the reaction time argument!. I have a couple counterpoints and have been looking for someone to debate them on:
- simple RT is completely removed from TTK in FPS games because of a myriad of reasons:
-you dont auto-react/immediately react to stimuli in an FPS game, as you would in a simple auditory or visual test.- different sensitivities skewer the entire concept of the heavy relevance of base reaction time, as even people with faster reaction times would have to actively slow down to hit accurate shots in any FPS.
- the averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play.
Im not saying the average man isnt faster than the average woman btw, im just giving u reasons why it really doesnt fucking matter. I could give more, but lets see if u aren't braindead first lol
PLS READ AND RESPOND THX (✿◠‿◠)
Olofboost [#61]It does matter. 23ms.
You say men and women are equal in reaction time - I prove they're not equal. Then you say it doesn't matter anyway?
bro it doesn't matter because men being 23ms is nothing. Like short people have slighty faster reaction time should we separate gaming based on height? No that would be dumb as fuck because in reality 20ms has very little effect. The reason women are worse at video games then men is because way way more men play video games then women not because of a 20ms reaction time
Olofboost [#56]Which is dumb. Marginalized genders don't exist - it's just people, here men, who want to be unique.
well even if you think they don't Riot TO's clearly think they do, and have organized tourneys for those people. You could literally just not watch if u apparently believe these people are fake lol
ash_knuckles [#62]Finally the reaction time argument!. I have a couple counterpoints and have been looking for someone to debate them on:
- simple RT is completely removed from TTK in FPS games because of a myriad of reasons:
-you dont auto-react/immediately react to stimuli in an FPS game, as you would in a simple auditory or visual test.
- different sensitivities skewer the entire concept of the heavy relevance of base reaction time, as even people with faster reaction times would have to actively slow down to hit accurate shots in any FPS.
- the averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play.
Im not saying the average man isnt faster than the average woman btw, im just giving u reasons why it really doesnt fucking matter. I could give more, but lets see if u aren't braindead first lol
PLS READ AND RESPOND THX (✿◠‿◠)
"The averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play."
No, almost all pros are born with lower reaction time than average human. Otherwise they wouldn't become pros, not only you need to work a lot but also an inborn skill. The fact that only 0.1% and even less playerbase gets even close to pro level, supports my point about male peak reaction time being 23ms lower than women.
Olofboost [#61]It does matter. 23ms.
You say men and women are equal in reaction time - I prove they're not equal. Then you say it doesn't matter anyway?
when did i say men and women are equal in reaction time. you are stupid as fuck. i only said that the difference in reaction time between them matters very rarely because the difference between them can also be seen between men and other men
ash_knuckles [#64]well even if you think they don't Riot TO's clearly think they do, and have organized tourneys for those people. You could literally just not watch if u apparently believe these people are fake lol
I never watched it. Just saying that it doesn't make any sense to suck up to those "hurt" individuals.
ash_knuckles [#51]vlr is way more than a forum to discuss just val matches, and its users are way too degen to stick to discussing only that lol. overmoderation is the death of any open forum.
I don’t think removing transphobic comments counts as over moderation, in the same way you don’t see removing racist comments as over moderation. The only difference is you don’t like racism but you like transphobia
gamr [#66]when did i say men and women are equal in reaction time. you are stupid as fuck. i only said that the difference in reaction time between them matters very rarely because the difference between them can also be seen between men and other men
Here come the slurs, your kind of people are always the first to offend others.
I proved there is 23ms difference? Yes, I did. It's a lot.
Your logic is flawed in the sense that you compare men to men when you should compare men to same skilled women on average.
ash_knuckles [#62]Finally the reaction time argument!. I have a couple counterpoints and have been looking for someone to debate them on:
- simple RT is completely removed from TTK in FPS games because of a myriad of reasons:
-you dont auto-react/immediately react to stimuli in an FPS game, as you would in a simple auditory or visual test.
- different sensitivities skewer the entire concept of the heavy relevance of base reaction time, as even people with faster reaction times would have to actively slow down to hit accurate shots in any FPS.
- the averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play.
Im not saying the average man isnt faster than the average woman btw, im just giving u reasons why it really doesnt fucking matter. I could give more, but lets see if u aren't braindead first lol
PLS READ AND RESPOND THX (✿◠‿◠)
I'm sure you could also find some difference between men and women on eye hand coordination and spatial abilities
gamr [#66]when did i say men and women are equal in reaction time. you are stupid as fuck. i only said that the difference in reaction time between them matters very rarely because the difference between them can also be seen between men and other men
It doesn't matter what difference is between some men. All pros have reaction time faster than an average man anyway.
Olofboost [#65]"The averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play."
No, almost all pros are born with lower reaction time than average human. Otherwise they wouldn't become pros, not only you need to work a lot but also an inborn skill. The fact that only 0.1% and even less playerbase gets even close to pro level, supports my point about male peak reaction time being 23ms lower than women.
lmfao that is literally just incorrect. You think EVERY pro who became a professional because they were somehow GIFTED it? the only reason why 0.1% of players actually make it pro is cause its so FUCKING HARD to go professional in esports lmao.
Lets walk in your lane of logic for a minute. If u say all pros were GIFTED faster reaction time than the average human, this would imply that the average female is WAY slower than the average male. This means that biologically it SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE for any female pro to ever win a 1v1 vs a male one, as by YOUR LOGIC, t1/t1 pro > average top tier male gamer > female pro simply by default. Watch any of the top tier female players clips and this is easily debunked.
Pls give me a reason to keep arguing with you lol. also respond to a couple more of my points while you're at it thanks :).
ash_knuckles [#72]lmfao that is literally just incorrect. You think EVERY pro who became a professional because they were somehow GIFTED it? the only reason why 0.1% of players actually make it pro is cause its so FUCKING HARD to go professional in esports lmao.
Lets walk in your lane of logic for a minute. If u say all pros were GIFTED faster reaction time than the average human, this would imply that the average female is WAY slower than the average male. This means that biologically it SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE for any female pro to ever win a 1v1 vs a male one, as by YOUR LOGIC, t1/t1 pro > average top tier male gamer > female pro simply by default. Watch any of the top tier female players clips and this is easily debunked.Pls give me a reason to keep arguing with you lol. also respond to a couple more of my points while you're at it thanks :).
I never put all women behind all top tier men. There might be an outlier, there always is. But generally speaking, not only a lot more men tryhard in gaming, but also they have inherent advantage.
crashhacker1 [#34]most trans do it on most social media. they're very insecure. no amount of moderation will help their kind likable to people.
you dont even talk to trans people, stfu and dont act like you know what they do 💀
Olofboost [#70]I'm sure you could also find some difference between men and women on eye hand coordination and spatial abilities
there is no scientific paper suggesting so (i've searched), so i'd say no lol. If u want to refer tho a less scientific test (aim trainers), noia has broken 145k on gridshot ultimate( top 0.01% on that aimlabs task) which require decent spatial recog abilities and hand eye co-ord(not necessarily but decent enough), and sarah has hit (BY INSPECTION) multiple wide angle <~250ms flicks using raw accel, which by DEFAULT requires very good hand-eye coordination, which technically debunk it as well, in absence of scientific contradiction.
Olofboost [#73]I never put all women behind all top tier men. There might be an outlier, there always is. But generally speaking, not only a lot more men tryhard in gaming, but also they have inherent advantage.
in this case there are MULTIPLE women in the lovely game of VALORANT who have won MULTIPLE 1v1s against the 0.01% who you claim have an inherent advantage tho. Does that make every female who grinds to radiant an oUtLieR lol.
ash_knuckles [#75]there is no scientific paper suggesting so (i've searched), so i'd say no lol. If u want to refer tho a less scientific test (aim trainers), noia has broken 145k on gridshot ultimate( top 0.01% on that aimlabs task) which require decent spatial recog abilities and hand eye co-ord(not necessarily but decent enough), and sarah has hit (BY INSPECTION) multiple wide angle <~250ms flicks using raw accel, which by DEFAULT requires very good hand-eye coordination, which technically debunk it as well, in absence of scientific contradiction.
This notion is supported by a previous study performed on a group of 3500 people ages eight to 21, which included the 949 individuals used for Verma’s study. It found that women performed better at attention, word and facial memory, and social tasks.
Men, on the other hand, performed better at spatial processing and hand-eye coordination tasks. Interestingly, the differences were largest in kids ages 12 to 14, right on the cusp of puberty. By age 21, the differences were smaller.
ash_knuckles [#76]in this case there are MULTIPLE women in the lovely game of VALORANT who have won MULTIPLE 1v1s against the 0.01% who you claim have an inherent advantage tho. Does that make every female who grinds to radiant an oUtLieR lol.
Yes, pretty much every woman who gets to radiant is an outlier. Not THAT kind of outlier I was talking about, but still inherently much better than absolute majority of women and a fair amount of men.
Sonny [#63]bro it doesn't matter because men being 23ms is nothing. Like short people have slighty faster reaction time should we separate gaming based on height? No that would be dumb as fuck because in reality 20ms has very little effect. The reason women are worse at video games then men is because way way more men play video games then women not because of a 20ms reaction time
Both are the reasons.
Olofboost [#77]This notion is supported by a previous study performed on a group of 3500 people ages eight to 21, which included the 949 individuals used for Verma’s study. It found that women performed better at attention, word and facial memory, and social tasks.
Men, on the other hand, performed better at spatial processing and hand-eye coordination tasks. Interestingly, the differences were largest in kids ages 12 to 14, right on the cusp of puberty. By age 21, the differences were smaller.
this isn't a scientific paper and there are no values i can base any concrete inference off of. i dont know what exactly to do with "the differences were larger" and "the differences were smaller" can they be improved upon? what is the gradient of declination from "larger" to "smaller" ranging from ages <16 which most esport players are? multiple questions unanswered. My poorly sourced evidence holds more water than this paper.
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