Question about florescent

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Olofboost

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There is at least 15ms difference between average man and average woman visual reaction time, in men favour.
In FPS it plays a huge role.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/

Here it says mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms, even more:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.

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gamr

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15 ms means jackshit jesse what the hell are you talking about

#58

Olofboost

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It means a lot of difference in FPS gaming.

This might be more telling:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026141#:~:text=The%20mean%20fastest%20reaction%20times,and%20131%20ms%20for%20women.

Mean fastest reaction time differs by 23ms.

#59

gamr

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bro i can assure you it doesnt matter. there are pros in CS with 160 ms reaction time and there are pros with 200 ms reaction time. that's a 40 ms difference and yet players in both ranges are equally competent

#61

Olofboost

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It does matter. 23ms.

You say men and women are equal in reaction time - I prove they're not equal. Then you say it doesn't matter anyway?

#63

Sonny

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bro it doesn't matter because men being 23ms is nothing. Like short people have slighty faster reaction time should we separate gaming based on height? No that would be dumb as fuck because in reality 20ms has very little effect. The reason women are worse at video games then men is because way way more men play video games then women not because of a 20ms reaction time

#79

Olofboost

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Both are the reasons.

#66

gamr

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when did i say men and women are equal in reaction time. you are stupid as fuck. i only said that the difference in reaction time between them matters very rarely because the difference between them can also be seen between men and other men

#69

Olofboost

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Here come the slurs, your kind of people are always the first to offend others.

I proved there is 23ms difference? Yes, I did. It's a lot.

Your logic is flawed in the sense that you compare men to men when you should compare men to same skilled women on average.

#71

Olofboost

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It doesn't matter what difference is between some men. All pros have reaction time faster than an average man anyway.

#60

Sonny

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you do realize how tiny 15ms is bro

#62

ash_knuckles

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Finally the reaction time argument!. I have a couple counterpoints and have been looking for someone to debate them on:

simple RT is completely removed from TTK in FPS games because of a myriad of reasons:
-you dont auto-react/immediately react to stimuli in an FPS game, as you would in a simple auditory or visual test.
- different sensitivities skewer the entire concept of the heavy relevance of base reaction time, as even people with faster reaction times would have to actively slow down to hit accurate shots in any FPS.
the averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play.

Im not saying the average man isnt faster than the average woman btw, im just giving u reasons why it really doesnt fucking matter. I could give more, but lets see if u aren't braindead first lol
PLS READ AND RESPOND THX (✿◠‿◠)

#65

Olofboost

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"The averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play."

No, almost all pros are born with lower reaction time than average human. Otherwise they wouldn't become pros, not only you need to work a lot but also an inborn skill. The fact that only 0.1% and even less playerbase gets even close to pro level, supports my point about male peak reaction time being 23ms lower than women.

#72

ash_knuckles

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lmfao that is literally just incorrect. You think EVERY pro who became a professional because they were somehow GIFTED it? the only reason why 0.1% of players actually make it pro is cause its so FUCKING HARD to go professional in esports lmao.
Lets walk in your lane of logic for a minute. If u say all pros were GIFTED faster reaction time than the average human, this would imply that the average female is WAY slower than the average male. This means that biologically it SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE for any female pro to ever win a 1v1 vs a male one, as by YOUR LOGIC, t1/t1 pro > average top tier male gamer > female pro simply by default. Watch any of the top tier female players clips and this is easily debunked.

Pls give me a reason to keep arguing with you lol. also respond to a couple more of my points while you're at it thanks :).

#73

Olofboost

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I never put all women behind all top tier men. There might be an outlier, there always is. But generally speaking, not only a lot more men tryhard in gaming, but also they have inherent advantage.

#76

ash_knuckles

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in this case there are MULTIPLE women in the lovely game of VALORANT who have won MULTIPLE 1v1s against the 0.01% who you claim have an inherent advantage tho. Does that make every female who grinds to radiant an oUtLieR lol.

#78

Olofboost

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Yes, pretty much every woman who gets to radiant is an outlier. Not THAT kind of outlier I was talking about, but still inherently much better than absolute majority of women and a fair amount of men.

#70

Olofboost

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I'm sure you could also find some difference between men and women on eye hand coordination and spatial abilities

#75

ash_knuckles

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there is no scientific paper suggesting so (i've searched), so i'd say no lol. If u want to refer tho a less scientific test (aim trainers), noia has broken 145k on gridshot ultimate( top 0.01% on that aimlabs task) which require decent spatial recog abilities and hand eye co-ord(not necessarily but decent enough), and sarah has hit (BY INSPECTION) multiple wide angle <~250ms flicks using raw accel, which by DEFAULT requires very good hand-eye coordination, which technically debunk it as well, in absence of scientific contradiction.

#77

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https://www.healthline.com/health-news/mental-mens-and-womens-brains-wired-differently-120713#Do-Brain-Differences-Mean-Differences-in-Ability?

This notion is supported by a previous study performed on a group of 3500 people ages eight to 21, which included the 949 individuals used for Verma’s study. It found that women performed better at attention, word and facial memory, and social tasks.

Men, on the other hand, performed better at spatial processing and hand-eye coordination tasks. Interestingly, the differences were largest in kids ages 12 to 14, right on the cusp of puberty. By age 21, the differences were smaller.

#80

ash_knuckles

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this isn't a scientific paper and there are no values i can base any concrete inference off of. i dont know what exactly to do with "the differences were larger" and "the differences were smaller" can they be improved upon? what is the gradient of declination from "larger" to "smaller" ranging from ages <16 which most esport players are? multiple questions unanswered. My poorly sourced evidence holds more water than this paper.