Most karmine corp players have anounced that they are exploring other opportunities.
who do you think will be on the 2023 roster?
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Kqwzt [#2]As neL reported they're trying to get scream nivera from tl + xms maybe enzo
yes, hopefully enzo gets selected, dont know who for the other 2
ChromeDZN [#3]yes, hopefully enzo gets selected, dont know who for the other 2
I think he will as he's igl co-igl and did well on fnc
patuj [#5]If they have money:
Scream - duelist
Nivera - sentinel
xms - maybe smokes? he played Chamber, but used to be controller main.
Enzo - initiator
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Piter [#8]Who's Xms? What team is he playing for/did he play for?
He plays for MAD Lions (ex-TENSTAR). Was arguably best Chamber in French VRL. He used to be controller main when he entered Valorant if I'm not wrong and there was quite a lot of hype around him. Came from French CSGO if I'm not wrong.
patuj [#10]He plays for MAD Lions (ex-TENSTAR). Was arguably best Chamber in French VRL. He used to be controller main when he entered Valorant if I'm not wrong and there was quite a lot of hype around him. Came from French CSGO if I'm not wrong.
Yeah, he used to play with ScreaM in Envy back in 2018 if I remember correctly
patuj [#10]He plays for MAD Lions (ex-TENSTAR). Was arguably best Chamber in French VRL. He used to be controller main when he entered Valorant if I'm not wrong and there was quite a lot of hype around him. Came from French CSGO if I'm not wrong.
Yup he can fill smokes as well as sentinel. Former french CS player and he's quite a good player tbh.
patuj [#5]If they have money:
Scream - duelist
Nivera - sentinel
xms - maybe smokes? he played Chamber, but used to be controller main.
Enzo - initiator
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I don’t think it’s about money, why would Scream wanna leave TL
Mortadelo [#14]I don’t think it’s about money, why would Scream wanna leave TL
Why not? Also I don't know how sport deals work, but I would imagine its more for the org to make the decision. If he doesn't accept they can just bench him or something. Liquid doesn't seem to be org like that, but I would imagine them being pretty willing to sell him if KCorp pays well. They can make some money back as long as Scream is with contract. Also he can stay with his brother and compete in mother tongue for clouted team. And we don't know how the team is right now and do they have same vision etc. Like imagine if Liquid wanted to get rid of Nivera, Scream likely wouldn't accept that.
patuj [#15]Why not? Also I don't know how sport deals work, but I would imagine its more for the org to make the decision. If he doesn't accept they can just bench him or something. Liquid doesn't seem to be org like that, but I would imagine them being pretty willing to sell him if KCorp pays well. They can make some money back as long as Scream is with contract. Also he can stay with his brother and compete in mother tongue for clouted team. And we don't know how the team is right now and do they have same vision etc. Like imagine if Liquid wanted to get rid of Nivera, Scream likely wouldn't accept that.
I think you’re wrong. Ok so, let’s divide this into the two different POV’s. Liquid’s and Screams
Liquid: What better duelists than Scream are there available? Sayf shares role with Jamppi, maybe Nukkye? Other than that Scream is literally the best they got there is not amount of money (Which KC is not the richest in the league can’t afford LEC spot) that could buy Liquid to get them to lose their star player which with this roster can actually finally have them become EMEA’s top 1. I don’t see why TL would let him go other than because they wanna bench Nivera and Scream opposes it
Scream: nats, Redgar, Jamppi, Scream, soulcas/Nivera is definitely just as promising than Alfajer, Derke, Boaster, Leo and Chronicle. This roster can make him win an actual international trophy for the first time in his Val career. Meanwhile KCorp is gonna be a medium board team with that roster. It would be a horrible move from him, because no, KCORP does not pay more than TL. Again only reason I could see is that TL wants to get rid of Nivera and Scream just wants to follow him. But nepotism is LITERALLY the only reason how KC Scream would make sense imo
Mortadelo [#16]I think you’re wrong. Ok so, let’s divide this into the two different POV’s. Liquid’s and Screams
Liquid: What better duelists than Scream are there available? Sayf shares role with Jamppi, maybe Nukkye? Other than that Scream is literally the best they got there is not amount of money (Which KC is not the richest in the league can’t afford LEC spot) that could buy Liquid to get them to lose their star player which with this roster can actually finally have them become EMEA’s top 1. I don’t see why TL would let him go other than because they wanna bench Nivera and Scream opposes it
Scream: nats, Redgar, Jamppi, Scream, soulcas/Nivera is definitely just as promising than Alfajer, Derke, Boaster, Leo and Chronicle. This roster can make him win an actual international trophy for the first time in his Val career. Meanwhile KCorp is gonna be a medium board team with that roster. It would be a horrible move from him, because no, KCORP does not pay more than TL. Again only reason I could see is that TL wants to get rid of Nivera and Scream just wants to follow him. But nepotism is LITERALLY the only reason how KC Scream would make sense imo
Agreed 100x. Maybe Liquid was looking to remove Nivera, because otherwise this makes 0 sense
Mortadelo [#16]I think you’re wrong. Ok so, let’s divide this into the two different POV’s. Liquid’s and Screams
Liquid: What better duelists than Scream are there available? Sayf shares role with Jamppi, maybe Nukkye? Other than that Scream is literally the best they got there is not amount of money (Which KC is not the richest in the league can’t afford LEC spot) that could buy Liquid to get them to lose their star player which with this roster can actually finally have them become EMEA’s top 1. I don’t see why TL would let him go other than because they wanna bench Nivera and Scream opposes it
Scream: nats, Redgar, Jamppi, Scream, soulcas/Nivera is definitely just as promising than Alfajer, Derke, Boaster, Leo and Chronicle. This roster can make him win an actual international trophy for the first time in his Val career. Meanwhile KCorp is gonna be a medium board team with that roster. It would be a horrible move from him, because no, KCORP does not pay more than TL. Again only reason I could see is that TL wants to get rid of Nivera and Scream just wants to follow him. But nepotism is LITERALLY the only reason how KC Scream would make sense imo
kinda agree with this take. the team really only needed an igl, getting other good FAs is understandable but would cause role clash and eventually push someone out. feels a little bad for nivera, he was a decent sentinel pushed to an initiator role and not using chamber, can literally be a star player in another team. wouldnt really blame anyone its just what happens, but i wonder how the kc roster will look like. not too worried about liquid theyll do great i think.
firo [#18]kinda agree with this take. the team really only needed an igl, getting other good FAs is understandable but would cause role clash and eventually push someone out. feels a little bad for nivera, he was a decent sentinel pushed to an initiator role and not using chamber, can literally be a star player in another team. wouldnt really blame anyone its just what happens, but i wonder how the kc roster will look like. not too worried about liquid theyll do great i think.
I really think Nivera should go to KC tho, it's what0s best for both parts, Nivera needs to be allowed to Op again, that's his real strength, meanwhile TL can replace him with someone that fits the roles better. I just think that Scream would be dumb to follow him
patuj [#10]He plays for MAD Lions (ex-TENSTAR). Was arguably best Chamber in French VRL. He used to be controller main when he entered Valorant if I'm not wrong and there was quite a lot of hype around him. Came from French CSGO if I'm not wrong.
W then!
Mortadelo [#20]I really think Nivera should go to KC tho, it's what0s best for both parts, Nivera needs to be allowed to Op again, that's his real strength, meanwhile TL can replace him with someone that fits the roles better. I just think that Scream would be dumb to follow him
but they were able to make it work with both nivera and jamppi oping in the past, both on not op agents lol. hopefully nivera’s potential will be more unlocked. agree, it wouldnt make sense for scream to leave other than he wanted to team with his bro. literal face of liquid and a very good player as well.
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