Riot against Riot

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First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player to make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community they rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

UPDATE: I've included this wonderful comment from #28 here on the post:

"I don't think that those Users are Riot people. The problem is, that this game/community has so many young people. They don't think about the consequences that franchising has. They are just fanboying the game too much.

The fact is, that franchising will hurt the game a lot. Just look at Overwatch. The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene.
You can't just have 5 good people in your team and surprise everyone. Franchise team will just play against other franchise teams.
This will also affect viewership. Not at the beginning or maybe in the first 1-2 years. But in a long term. It will just get boring because it's always the same.
And with less viewers = less people will play game or start new with it.

It also means that no new Orgs will invest in the game and their team. It's just useless. They will focus on other games.

At the end Riot will destroy their game and help games like CS:GO. Because those Orgs will invest there and not in Valorant."

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First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community the rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

TLDR: Learn to read.

TLDR: Learn to read.

TY

First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community the rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

TLDR: Learn to read.

bro i see what you tryna do right there but i don't think people in vlr gonna care

goofy_goober [#2]

First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community the rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

TLDR: Learn to read.

This is what we need, one voice, a united front.

I was hating franchising when they announced that cuz it just didn't seem good. But after updates it looks like it has high chance to work.
The stuff ur saying is dumb and I hope it's bait.

lmao

Kiklop [#7]

I was hating franchising when they announced that cuz it just didn't seem good. But after updates it looks like it has high chance to work.
The stuff ur saying is dumb and I hope it's bait.

You call it dumb, yet do not offer any argument. Please, elaborate. Or, is that beyond your capacity? Please, my friend, embrace a democratic attitude where you are called upon to articulate yourself instead of barking like a dog.

'high chance to work'? 1 team 'ascends' a year. 1. that one team will likely have their talent poached beforehand, or may just have been lucky to win the final qualifying tournament and not represent the overall talent of the league. this year alone we saw at least half a dozen teams come from the lower ranks into the highest tier of competition. the #1 team from EU and NA have been forced to disband strictly because Riot wants a franchising model for which it has provided no argument as to its worth other than that it may end up meaning more money for Riot's wallet (at the expense of longer term profits for the company and the fall that awaits it if it does not support a healthy and robust ecosystem outside franchising). you are clearly not a rito employee, but merely another uncritical being. Kim Jong Un would love a citizen as obedient as you.

You need to condense and combine stuff from these paragraphs for it to be pasta worthy. Just a tip cause I want to copy and paste this on twitch chat when the first franchising game come.

RiotAgainstRiot [#9]

You call it dumb, yet do not offer any argument. Please, elaborate. Or, is that beyond your capacity? Please, my friend, embrace a democratic attitude where you are called upon to articulate yourself instead of barking like a dog.

'high chance to work'? 1 team 'ascends' a year. 1. that one team will likely have their talent poached beforehand, or may just have been lucky to win the final qualifying tournament and not represent the overall talent of the league. this year alone we saw at least half a dozen teams come from the lower ranks into the highest tier of competition. the #1 team from EU and NA have been forced to disband strictly because Riot wants a franchising model for which it has provided no argument as to its worth other than that it may end up meaning more money for Riot's wallet (at the expense of longer term profits for the company and the fall that awaits it if it does not support a healthy and robust ecosystem outside franchising). you are clearly not a rito employee, but merely another uncritical being. Kim Jong Un would love a citizen as obedient as you.

I'm just trying to see good things on that. I know it's going to have some bad impact but over all i like changes that riot made.

Ullyr [#10]

You need to condense and combine stuff from these paragraphs for it to be pasta worthy. Just a tip cause I want to copy and paste this on twitch chat when the first franchising game come.

I agree, with one exception: we do this collectively. Please, help me to condense it into a pasta worthy of feeding to the hungry masses deprived of a voice. This forum is our town center. Let us work together, comrade!

We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary.

yes I agree on this one

Quagmire [#13]

We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary.

yes I agree on this one

The problem that critism we have there is: "fuck riot it's soo dumb valorant gonna die rito brain dead indie company "

Ppl have to realise that franchisng has negative and positive effects. Then it's only on you to decide if ur fan or not. But like this it seems like ppl are just seeing the negatives

RiotAgainstRiot [#9]

You call it dumb, yet do not offer any argument. Please, elaborate. Or, is that beyond your capacity? Please, my friend, embrace a democratic attitude where you are called upon to articulate yourself instead of barking like a dog.

'high chance to work'? 1 team 'ascends' a year. 1. that one team will likely have their talent poached beforehand, or may just have been lucky to win the final qualifying tournament and not represent the overall talent of the league. this year alone we saw at least half a dozen teams come from the lower ranks into the highest tier of competition. the #1 team from EU and NA have been forced to disband strictly because Riot wants a franchising model for which it has provided no argument as to its worth other than that it may end up meaning more money for Riot's wallet (at the expense of longer term profits for the company and the fall that awaits it if it does not support a healthy and robust ecosystem outside franchising). you are clearly not a rito employee, but merely another uncritical being. Kim Jong Un would love a citizen as obedient as you.

What kind of arguments do you need?
But ok: I don't think that ppl on this site don't have sense of critism. Ppl on this site are hating bad changes that riot makes and trying to find better options.
I'm not saying riot done everything best as they could have but it's better then I expected

Kiklop [#14]

The problem that critism we have there is: "fuck riot it's soo dumb valorant gonna die rito brain dead indie company "

Ppl have to realise that franchisng has negative and positive effects. Then it's only on you to decide if ur fan or not. But like this it seems like ppl are just seeing the negatives

I am advocating for articulate discourse in which users explain their discontent and criticism rather than merely typing 'omegalul rito suq gaben is my g0d'. Please forgive my rather petty personal critique earlier, I appreciate your feedback and hope building a critical community includes self-critique as well. Imagine if the game were run by the community rather than a shadowy corporate empire.

First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player to make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community they rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

TLDR: Learn to read.

RiotAgainstRiot [#16]

I am advocating for articulate discourse in which users explain their discontent and criticism rather than merely typing 'omegalul rito suq gaben is my g0d'. Please forgive my rather petty personal critique earlier, I appreciate your feedback and hope building a critical community includes self-critique as well. Imagine if the game were run by the community rather than a shadowy corporate empire.

Game ran by comunity wouldnt work. It would develop very slowly. And I think that riot is listening to their comunity. (Not always but at least sometimes) so this is better

thats the worst tldr i've seen

LMFAO, do you think we all are riot dickriders? We have criticised riots implementation multiple times on this site + other platforms and they have listened. If the majority thought franchising was bad, it would have 100 percent been voiced out. This is good for the longterm development of the scene.

Kiklop [#18]

Game ran by comunity wouldnt work. It would develop very slowly. And I think that riot is listening to their comunity. (Not always but at least sometimes) so this is better

They are not listening to their community. The community did not ask for franchising and they did not discuss it with the community.

TheHardStuckImmortal [#20]

LMFAO, do you think we all are riot dickriders? We have criticised riots implementation multiple times on this site + other platforms and they have listened. If the majority thought franchising was bad, it would have 100 percent been voiced out. This is good for the longterm development of the scene.

You clearly did not read what I wrote. There are MANY Rito cucks on this forum. I did not say everyone is. This idea that they are 'listening' is madness. Where is the conversation? When did they listen to our criticism outside the catastrophic failure of the ares? When did they invite community conversation regarding the purpose of franchising and the benefits it offers that would outweigh throwing out two years of roster building and fan support for orgs and teams like OpTic and FPX?

RiotAgainstRiot [#21]

They are not listening to their community. The community did not ask for franchising and they did not discuss it with the community.

I said not always but sometimes.
And they still gave non franchised teams chance to play Global event. For me personally that was my main problem. I know its just 1 slot but at least smh.

not reading allat 💀

Marcusgeez [#5]

bro i see what you tryna do right there but i don't think people in vlr gonna care

bro it is our responsibility to help others care, to get them involved, our else riot will govern the same way your country's tyrant does

Kiklop [#23]

I said not always but sometimes.
And they still gave non franchised teams chance to play Global event. For me personally that was my main problem. I know its just 1 slot but at least smh.

Sorry, didn't see that part. But also, 'at least smh' is the wrong mental here my friend. riot only lives off our money, we can influence their decision making. We need not simply eat the scraps they feed us. They need not feast while we famine. EAT THE RICH

RiotAgainstRiot [#9]

You call it dumb, yet do not offer any argument. Please, elaborate. Or, is that beyond your capacity? Please, my friend, embrace a democratic attitude where you are called upon to articulate yourself instead of barking like a dog.

'high chance to work'? 1 team 'ascends' a year. 1. that one team will likely have their talent poached beforehand, or may just have been lucky to win the final qualifying tournament and not represent the overall talent of the league. this year alone we saw at least half a dozen teams come from the lower ranks into the highest tier of competition. the #1 team from EU and NA have been forced to disband strictly because Riot wants a franchising model for which it has provided no argument as to its worth other than that it may end up meaning more money for Riot's wallet (at the expense of longer term profits for the company and the fall that awaits it if it does not support a healthy and robust ecosystem outside franchising). you are clearly not a rito employee, but merely another uncritical being. Kim Jong Un would love a citizen as obedient as you.

I have offered my counterargument to franchising being bad for many times in different threads that I'm too tired to offered new ones, but I will make counter arguments to existing one like this.

In regard to poaching, riot has already revealed their poaching or talent poaching rules. Teams are only allowed to change their roster in two different timezones, pre season which is after champion, and mid season which is between the two leagues.

And fpx was gonna disband their team anyways, they were looking for a spot in Asia, not Europe. While Optic reasoning for why they were rejected is unknown, riot is not dumb enough to not let them in unless there's smth we don't know about. I'm not riding riot dick on this point, on a business standpoint and riot greedy ass standpoint, why would they tick off so many fans and potential sponsors by taking off one of the most famous teams in Val NA? They literally rejected Japan most famous team due to them having legsl paperwork problem.

I don't think that those Users are Riot people. The problem is, that this game/community has so many young people. They don't think about the consequences that franchising has. They are just fanboying the game too much.

The fact is, that franchising will hurt the game a lot. Just look at Overwatch. The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene.
You can't just have 5 good people in your team and surprise everyone. Franchise team will just play against other franchise teams.
This will also affect viewership. Not at the beginning or maybe in the first 1-2 years. But in a long term. It will just get boring because it's always the same.
And with less viewers = less people will play game or start new with it.

It also means that no new Orgs will invest in the game and their team. It's just useless. They will focus on other games.

At the end Riot will destroy their game and help games like CS:GO. Because those Orgs will invest there and not in Valorant.

TLDR: learn to read

Alova02 [#27]

I have offered my counterargument to franchising being bad for many times in different threads that I'm too tired to offered new ones, but I will make counter arguments to existing one like this.

In regard to poaching, riot has already revealed their poaching or talent poaching rules. Teams are only allowed to change their roster in two different timezones, pre season which is after champion, and mid season which is between the two leagues.

And fpx was gonna disband their team anyways, they were looking for a spot in Asia, not Europe. While Optic reasoning for why they were rejected is unknown, riot is not dumb enough to not let them in unless there's smth we don't know about. I'm not riding riot dick on this point, on a business standpoint and riot greedy ass standpoint, why would they tick off so many fans and potential sponsors by taking off one of the most famous teams in Val NA? They literally rejected Japan most famous team due to them having legsl paperwork problem.

So mid season any good player in Ascension will get poached and the results of the first half of the year will be rendered null.

'FPX' was going disband? I'm sorry, but you are on copium my friend. The problem is not whether or not the org keeps them, the problem is that they are not allowed to compete as 5 at the highest level where they clearly belong AS 5. The #1 NA and EU teams, and arguably two of the top 3 teams in the world, are having their rosters torn apart because of Riot. Period. Period. Period.

None of this is an argument 'for' franchising. No reason has been given for franchising. Nothing. We are expected to simply open our mouths wide and swallow this nasty load of bs. Why? Because they hired a bunch of CSGO devs to make a good game and then a bunch of CoD players to manage its esports scene. Please, do not be afraid of freedom. Your life is not worth living without it. Think freely, criticize openly, encourage dialogue, try to imagine ways we can improve the system rather than getting on your knees and licking the boot (unless that is your kink, in which case ok, just let us know in advance youre into that kind of thing and we will relegate your opinion accordingly).

RiotAgainstRiot [#21]

They are not listening to their community. The community did not ask for franchising and they did not discuss it with the community.

They have pushed for their own agenda, but also listen to community feedback. Franchising is a good thing as it offers stability like League of Legends, while NA LCS have failed due to milking orgs like Golden Guardian, riot have implemented ways to prevent that by ascension, changing of franchised orgs every few years, and most importantly the backlash a team would get now that they are in especially teams like NRG or EG where people already be looking with spiteful eyes.

Franchising gives stability in the sense that orgs do not have to worry about the instability of competition like in CS where unless your from EU it's basically impossible to climb, leading to a lack of teams. And for players they don't have to worry about being suddenly kick from their team or not receiving their pay due to riot already setting rules to that and has revealed the roster moves allocation and rules in a post I made earlier.

RiotAgainstRiot [#29]

So mid season any good player in Ascension will get poached and the results of the first half of the year will be rendered null.

'FPX' was going disband? I'm sorry, but you are on copium my friend. The problem is not whether or not the org keeps them, the problem is that they are not allowed to compete as 5 at the highest level where they clearly belong AS 5. The #1 NA and EU teams, and arguably two of the top 3 teams in the world, are having their rosters torn apart because of Riot. Period. Period. Period.

None of this is an argument 'for' franchising. No reason has been given for franchising. Nothing. We are expected to simply open our mouths wide and swallow this nasty load of bs. Why? Because they hired a bunch of CSGO devs to make a good game and then a bunch of CoD players to manage its esports scene. Please, do not be afraid of freedom. Your life is not worth living without it. Think freely, criticize openly, encourage dialogue, try to imagine ways we can improve the system rather than getting on your knees and licking the boot (unless that is your kink, in which case ok, just let us know in advance youre into that kind of thing and we will relegate your opinion accordingly).

During mid season the poaching of T2 players are next to impossible ( unless from previous years ) due to the fact that teams need synergy and time to build upon, orgs knows that. They won't suddenly all drop their roster and look for new players. Plus the ascension league would be going on during the mid season iirc, meaning that t1 team can't poach until pre season

If FPX drops the team, more than likely they may not stay as 5, FPX wants to stay as a Chinese org but is looking to EU at the moment to have a foot in the door first. Now optic have gotten shafted and I myself was not happy with it, but to base all my hate on franchise on these few negative points and completely ignored the others is... Biased to say the least. I am not licking riot dick or boot, I am offering my own argument and hope to have a civilized one, which is what you personally hope for, yet i get accused of being someone who can't think?

TLDR: I haven't read it and I won't read it

Alova02 [#30]

They have pushed for their own agenda, but also listen to community feedback. Franchising is a good thing as it offers stability like League of Legends, while NA LCS have failed due to milking orgs like Golden Guardian, riot have implemented ways to prevent that by ascension, changing of franchised orgs every few years, and most importantly the backlash a team would get now that they are in especially teams like NRG or EG where people already be looking with spiteful eyes.

Franchising gives stability in the sense that orgs do not have to worry about the instability of competition like in CS where unless your from EU it's basically impossible to climb, leading to a lack of teams. And for players they don't have to worry about being suddenly kick from their team or not receiving their pay due to riot already setting rules to that and has revealed the roster moves allocation and rules in a post I made earlier.

'Stability' is offered by Putin as well my friend. Dictators love to say they bring 'stability' to the chaos they create. CSGO has no franchising and yet there is far more money and stability in that game. Before COVID and Valulrant, you could 'climb' easily outside the EU region for CSGO... ESL and Blast have recently made great changes inspired by the community to offer more opportunities to climb. You can climb through open qualifiers, through ESEA's league, through FPL and ECL... Think outside the box, my cucked friend. Stop defending your masters, BECOME THE MASTER. Or stay a peasant, and continued to be farmed.

RiotAgainstRiot [#29]

So mid season any good player in Ascension will get poached and the results of the first half of the year will be rendered null.

'FPX' was going disband? I'm sorry, but you are on copium my friend. The problem is not whether or not the org keeps them, the problem is that they are not allowed to compete as 5 at the highest level where they clearly belong AS 5. The #1 NA and EU teams, and arguably two of the top 3 teams in the world, are having their rosters torn apart because of Riot. Period. Period. Period.

None of this is an argument 'for' franchising. No reason has been given for franchising. Nothing. We are expected to simply open our mouths wide and swallow this nasty load of bs. Why? Because they hired a bunch of CSGO devs to make a good game and then a bunch of CoD players to manage its esports scene. Please, do not be afraid of freedom. Your life is not worth living without it. Think freely, criticize openly, encourage dialogue, try to imagine ways we can improve the system rather than getting on your knees and licking the boot (unless that is your kink, in which case ok, just let us know in advance youre into that kind of thing and we will relegate your opinion accordingly).

On a side note my for franchising argument is another reply to yours, I am truly sorry for seperating my points and post like this.

If he worked this hard to write an essay for his exams might too that shit

First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player to make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community they rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

UPDATE: I've included this wonderful comment from #28 here on the post:

"I don't think that those Users are Riot people. The problem is, that this game/community has so many young people. They don't think about the consequences that franchising has. They are just fanboying the game too much.

The fact is, that franchising will hurt the game a lot. Just look at Overwatch. The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene.
You can't just have 5 good people in your team and surprise everyone. Franchise team will just play against other franchise teams.
This will also affect viewership. Not at the beginning or maybe in the first 1-2 years. But in a long term. It will just get boring because it's always the same.
And with less viewers = less people will play game or start new with it.

It also means that no new Orgs will invest in the game and their team. It's just useless. They will focus on other games.

At the end Riot will destroy their game and help games like CS:GO. Because those Orgs will invest there and not in Valorant."

TLDR: Learn to read.

RiotAgainstRiot [#33]

'Stability' is offered by Putin as well my friend. Dictators love to say they bring 'stability' to the chaos they create. CSGO has no franchising and yet there is far more money and stability in that game. Before COVID and Valulrant, you could 'climb' easily outside the EU region for CSGO... ESL and Blast have recently made great changes inspired by the community to offer more opportunities to climb. You can climb through open qualifiers, through ESEA's league, through FPL and ECL... Think outside the box, my cucked friend. Stop defending your masters, BECOME THE MASTER. Or stay a peasant, and continued to be farmed.

You couldn't though? I followed CSGO since 5 years ago and the only notable team that have came from Asia was Taloo, which was tier 2 at best. ESL and BLAST offerings are still only really within Europe as although it is offered outside, look at how many teams actually came out of that, how many regions actually is able to compete? The only notable one throughout the life of CS was Brazil, NA has basically fallen and Asia never rose, and it's not like Asia has no CS players, there's plenty in my country alone. But none of my friends or online met players have ever wanted to go pro because there was just no chance or opportunity given that was even viable

Only a riot employee would type that much

xeeeoN [#28]

I don't think that those Users are Riot people. The problem is, that this game/community has so many young people. They don't think about the consequences that franchising has. They are just fanboying the game too much.

The fact is, that franchising will hurt the game a lot. Just look at Overwatch. The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene.
You can't just have 5 good people in your team and surprise everyone. Franchise team will just play against other franchise teams.
This will also affect viewership. Not at the beginning or maybe in the first 1-2 years. But in a long term. It will just get boring because it's always the same.
And with less viewers = less people will play game or start new with it.

It also means that no new Orgs will invest in the game and their team. It's just useless. They will focus on other games.

At the end Riot will destroy their game and help games like CS:GO. Because those Orgs will invest there and not in Valorant.

TLDR: learn to read

Then just take riot other franchise, League of Legends. Overwatch failed cause of how their franchising work, in that it was city base with home and away games. People failed to realise overwatch franchise is completely and absurdly different, there was no tier 2 scene in overwatch aswell. U say orgs will invest in CS, but it's been 10+ years and the only org I see in CSGO is EU and SA orgs. NA has already fallen and Asia never even rose in the first place except Tyloo

Franchise has negatives yes, but one of the most successful eSports in the world and have been growing year by year is not just riot own game, it's been franchise For YEARS

Alova02 [#31]

During mid season the poaching of T2 players are next to impossible ( unless from previous years ) due to the fact that teams need synergy and time to build upon, orgs knows that. They won't suddenly all drop their roster and look for new players. Plus the ascension league would be going on during the mid season iirc, meaning that t1 team can't poach until pre season

If FPX drops the team, more than likely they may not stay as 5, FPX wants to stay as a Chinese org but is looking to EU at the moment to have a foot in the door first. Now optic have gotten shafted and I myself was not happy with it, but to base all my hate on franchise on these few negative points and completely ignored the others is... Biased to say the least. I am not licking riot dick or boot, I am offering my own argument and hope to have a civilized one, which is what you personally hope for, yet i get accused of being someone who can't think?

Forgive me for my personal insult. I am upset at the stupidity of esports, this new field run by people who have no idea what they are doing. You were collateral damage, and I apologize for that.

As for your argument about poaching, it does not pass the smell test. The stars of great Challenger teams will get poached and orgs wont hesitate to do it. SEN took TenZ and won Masters a few weeks later. OpTic took Marved and had immediate success. There are countless examples like this....

FPX would certainly want to stay together as 5 were it not for franchising. Same for OpTic.

I appreciate your thoughtful arguments, let's continue to have a civil discourse. I only ask that you offer more criticism and double guess your apparent reflex to defend Rito.

Alova02 [#39]

Then just take riot other franchise, League of Legends. Overwatch failed cause of how their franchising work, in that it was city base with home and away games. People failed to realise overwatch franchise is completely and absurdly different, there was no tier 2 scene in overwatch aswell. U say orgs will invest in CS, but it's been 10+ years and the only org I see in CSGO is EU and SA orgs. NA has already fallen and Asia never even rose in the first place except Tyloo

Franchise has negatives yes, but one of the most successful eSports in the world and have been growing year by year is not just riot own game, it's been franchise For YEARS

yes maybe it's true what you say. We just have to wait. Time will tell.

Alova02 [#37]

You couldn't though? I followed CSGO since 5 years ago and the only notable team that have came from Asia was Taloo, which was tier 2 at best. ESL and BLAST offerings are still only really within Europe as although it is offered outside, look at how many teams actually came out of that, how many regions actually is able to compete? The only notable one throughout the life of CS was Brazil, NA has basically fallen and Asia never rose, and it's not like Asia has no CS players, there's plenty in my country alone. But none of my friends or online met players have ever wanted to go pro because there was just no chance or opportunity given that was even viable

CSGO has a far higher skill ceiling and was far less accessible and popular in Asia

EU has dominance because of the historical prevalence of lan cafes and a preference for FPS over Asia's love of the moba genre

NA cs will be back with Source 2 and I foresee a mass exodus of non-franchised talent

RiotAgainstRiot [#40]

Forgive me for my personal insult. I am upset at the stupidity of esports, this new field run by people who have no idea what they are doing. You were collateral damage, and I apologize for that.

As for your argument about poaching, it does not pass the smell test. The stars of great Challenger teams will get poached and orgs wont hesitate to do it. SEN took TenZ and won Masters a few weeks later. OpTic took Marved and had immediate success. There are countless examples like this....

FPX would certainly want to stay together as 5 were it not for franchising. Same for OpTic.

I appreciate your thoughtful arguments, let's continue to have a civil discourse. I only ask that you offer more criticism and double guess your apparent reflex to defend Rito.

Its fine I get it. Though poaching in its sense is not as bad as one would think. For poaching to work, there's 3 things at play. Players must agree, the Orgs holding the players must agree, and lastly contracts. The player contracts must have already ended before they are allowed to be poach ( in reference to the rules given by riot in that if a player is signed, they are required to be signed atleast for a season aka whole year, and the contract can't be broken unless dire circumstances. Mid season is more of a loan / temporary buyout rather than full-time to help fill in gaps a franchise team might have ).

I have doubt about riot franchise until they slowly reveal one by one the rules and regulations, the system in place and how everything is taking place. I am uncertain whether it will fail or succeed as it depends on many factors, but riot has given quite a few safety nets in salaries, poaching, T2/3 buffers where orgs in franchised can't just take anything they want. And the fact that useless teams in franchise WILL get kicked out due to it being non-beneficial to Riot finance or reputation

tldr

RiotAgainstRiot [#42]

CSGO has a far higher skill ceiling and was far less accessible and popular in Asia

EU has dominance because of the historical prevalence of lan cafes and a preference for FPS over Asia's love of the moba genre

NA cs will be back with Source 2 and I foresee a mass exodus of non-franchised talent

While yes, I can also argued that the reason CS only succeeded in EU is that valve and most TOs have neglected Asia. Look at what happened when they weren't neglected, overwatch dominated by Korean players, League of Legends eastern hemisphere is known to be kings, valorant actually have fair international competition in that any region have a chance, look at this year alone where Asia make top 3 twice, top 2 once, NA EU presence is always in the top 4 and top 1, SA has loud and lev to bring the region up.

xeeeoN [#41]

yes maybe it's true what you say. We just have to wait. Time will tell.

Mhm, Val may fall or it may soar, franchise is a double edge sword that either takes Valorant to greater heights like League of legends or plummet to oblivion due to riot incapability as a game developer and organisers like overwatch and blizzard

Alova02 [#39]

Then just take riot other franchise, League of Legends. Overwatch failed cause of how their franchising work, in that it was city base with home and away games. People failed to realise overwatch franchise is completely and absurdly different, there was no tier 2 scene in overwatch aswell. U say orgs will invest in CS, but it's been 10+ years and the only org I see in CSGO is EU and SA orgs. NA has already fallen and Asia never even rose in the first place except Tyloo

Franchise has negatives yes, but one of the most successful eSports in the world and have been growing year by year is not just riot own game, it's been franchise For YEARS

Orgs invest far more in CSGO, the players have larger buyouts and bigger salaries, and far more than EU or SA orgs are in the esport. More prize money is available for CSGO, more events, more open qualifiers, more direct lines for an individual to become pro through FPL. My point is not to quit Val and play CSGO, but for Val to learn from CSGO instead of just stealing its game.

LoL is beta game compared to Dota. Its viewership is dying. Whatever 'success' it has is not due to franchising, but to just the masses of noobs who watch Tyler1 and will blindly watch whatever they are fed. As more people can afford better pcs to play better games, less people are playing that shit. Riot likes being a half-assed Chinese intellectual theft copy.

Before Valorant, tons of NA orgs were in CSGO (GenG, NRG, eUnited, 100T, Envy, OpTic, Cloud9, etc etc etc etc). Covid delivered a big hit, but we can expect a renaissance with Source 2 this Christmas.

RiotAgainstRiot [#47]

Orgs invest far more in CSGO, the players have larger buyouts and bigger salaries, and far more than EU or SA orgs are in the esport. More prize money is available for CSGO, more events, more open qualifiers, more direct lines for an individual to become pro through FPL. My point is not to quit Val and play CSGO, but for Val to learn from CSGO instead of just stealing its game.

LoL is beta game compared to Dota. Its viewership is dying. Whatever 'success' it has is not due to franchising, but to just the masses of noobs who watch Tyler1 and will blindly watch whatever they are fed. As more people can afford better pcs to play better games, less people are playing that shit. Riot likes being a half-assed Chinese intellectual theft copy.

Before Valorant, tons of NA orgs were in CSGO (GenG, NRG, eUnited, 100T, Envy, OpTic, Cloud9, etc etc etc etc). Covid delivered a big hit, but we can expect a renaissance with Source 2 this Christmas.

When it comes to salaries though League is far higher, perkz was given a 3millon+ contract that lasted 2 years, Faker was given a blank cheque by NA and 8 digits contracts by Chinese team. Rejecting those two he still now have a stake in T1. I also have to argue that while COVID absolutely shut NA CS down, most TOs and Valve PRIOTIZE the recovery of EU and let NA to rot with barely any tourneys. While they were more events, a lack of regulations led many players to be jumping teams, unable to form a bond. It also led to many players that were stranded in EU without any clue of their future as there is just so little teams that can provide a future. In CS unless your a top 15 team, it's basically a free for all where players are scare for their future even since teams may dropped them at any time. Salaries aren't high aswell compare to Dota or League.

On a sidenote, league viewership have been increasing year by year and last year they peaked higher than any pc game

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First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player to make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community they rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

UPDATE: I've included this wonderful comment from #28 here on the post:

"I don't think that those Users are Riot people. The problem is, that this game/community has so many young people. They don't think about the consequences that franchising has. They are just fanboying the game too much.

The fact is, that franchising will hurt the game a lot. Just look at Overwatch. The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene.
You can't just have 5 good people in your team and surprise everyone. Franchise team will just play against other franchise teams.
This will also affect viewership. Not at the beginning or maybe in the first 1-2 years. But in a long term. It will just get boring because it's always the same.
And with less viewers = less people will play game or start new with it.

It also means that no new Orgs will invest in the game and their team. It's just useless. They will focus on other games.

At the end Riot will destroy their game and help games like CS:GO. Because those Orgs will invest there and not in Valorant."

TLDR: Learn to read.

RiotAgainstRiot [#22]

You clearly did not read what I wrote. There are MANY Rito cucks on this forum. I did not say everyone is. This idea that they are 'listening' is madness. Where is the conversation? When did they listen to our criticism outside the catastrophic failure of the ares? When did they invite community conversation regarding the purpose of franchising and the benefits it offers that would outweigh throwing out two years of roster building and fan support for orgs and teams like OpTic and FPX?

why would they need a community conversation about franchising when the community isn't even involved apart from the fact that we are the audience? They are not obligated to address us about franchising in detail. On the main subreddit, devs frequently answer questions and hold AMAs if that is your main concern. They do not need to organise a whole ass community conversation just to highlight the benefits and explain what it is. It's a waste of the employee's time.

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首先，我想说我喜欢 VLR.GG，并且作为一个普通的读者已经喜欢这个网站一年多了。但是，我真的很担心 Riot 已经渗透到论坛中。这里，我不是指管理员，也不是指 VLR 员工中的任何人。我说的是用户。我不敢相信这些用户中的一些人缺乏任何关键能力来提高他们反对 Riot 的声音并且只是鹦鹉学舌他们的霸主。还记得当数十名用户庆祝特许经营公告时，没有任何对显然对球员和球迷造成毁灭性打击的事情进行批评吗？有多少用户愿意跪下舔公司的靴子，真是令人震惊。世界上到处都是这样没有头脑的羊，但我不认为这些只是旅鼠。我认为他们是我们社区论坛上的 Riot 员工。

作为一个社区，我们有责任批评 Riot。玩家不能，或者至少似乎不愿批评 Riot。玩家可能害怕公开反对 Riot，因为他们害怕被列入黑名单，就好像他们是生活在极权主义政权下的持不同政见者一样。我们需要使用这些论坛来产生关键的对话，迫使 Riot 在必要时实施变革。在接下来的几周内，一大群职业玩家和社区的其他幕后成员将创建一个组织，以匿名但集体公开反对 Riot。为什么需要这个？坦率地说，Riot 是由一个裙带关系的企业精英经营的，他们不了解游戏的高水平游戏，也不积极寻求社区的批评意见。这就是批准 ares buff 并让 CoD 玩家为我们的 FPS 排名系统制作 MMR 算法而不是雇用管理员（并支付他们的医疗保健费用）的同一个 Riot。作为一个社区，我们集体缺乏发言权导致了我们目前处于这种可怕的情况，多年磨练的玩家现在没有工作，或者根据新时代的指导方针再等几年才能玩。这些只是冰山一角。让我们避免再次像守望先锋那样的泰坦尼克号崩溃，并推动 Riot 避免已经成为英雄联盟电子竞技的失败。这场游戏的命运不仅仅掌握在那些显然与他们像暴君一样统治的社区之外的企业精英手中。我们不应该让这家拥有精美图形的皮肤养殖公司分散我们对他们可怕问题的注意力（没有演示系统？）。游戏的命运掌握在我们手中，VLR 的论坛就是我们的麦克风（除了 Twitter 和诸如此类的东西，我们将在未来几周内动员起来）。

我们拥有比我们想象的更多的力量。也许你们中的一些人知道最近对 Madden 的抵制。我们可以为 Valorant 做同样的事情，我们将在接下来的几周内帮助集体组织，让我们的声音不仅被听到，而且被感受到（在他们的钱包里）。 Riot，如果你在听，请多听。我们需要你倾听并停止像暴君一样行事。我们爱你的游戏，我们不爱你。不要把我们对游戏的热情混为我们对你的热情。我们是一个社区，我们将确保您知道权力不会继续完全掌握在您手中。这不是威胁，而是承诺。希望您认为这对电子竞技的长寿有益。把 Riot 的 Plat 员工放在一边，研磨机是来帮忙的。

更新：我在帖子中添加了来自 #28 的精彩评论：

“我不认为那些用户是 Riot 的人。问题是，这个游戏/社区有这么多年轻人。他们没有考虑特许经营的后果。他们只是对游戏过于狂热。

事实是，特许经营会对游戏造成很大的伤害。只看守望先锋。游戏很棒，但没有真正的机会进入职业圈。
你不能在你的团队中只有 5 个好人，让每个人都感到惊讶。特许球队将只与其他特许球队比赛。
这也会影响收视率。不是在开始时，也可能是在最初的 1-2 年。但从长远来看。它只会变得无聊，因为它总是一样的。
更少的观众=更少的人会玩游戏或开始新的游戏。

这也意味着没有新的组织将投资于游戏和他们的团队。只是没用。他们将专注于其他游戏。

最后 Riot 将摧毁他们的游戏并帮助像 CS:GO 这样的游戏。因为那些组织将在那里投资，而不是在 Valorant。”

TLDR：学习阅读。

文字https://clips.twitch.tv/QuaintAgreeableBarracudaJebaited-WBKQQdP0_frS5leV

首先，我想说我喜欢 VLR.GG，并且作为一个普通的读者已经喜欢这个网站一年多了。但是，我真的很担心 Riot 已经渗透到论坛中。这里，我不是指管理员，也不是指 VLR 员工中的任何人。我说的是用户。我不敢相信这些用户中的一些人缺乏任何关键能力来提高他们反对 Riot 的声音并且只是鹦鹉学舌他们的霸主。还记得当数十名用户庆祝特许经营公告时，没有任何对显然对球员和球迷造成毁灭性打击的事情进行批评吗？有多少用户愿意跪下舔公司的靴子，真是令人震惊。世界上到处都是这样没有头脑的羊，但我不认为这些只是旅鼠。我认为他们是我们社区论坛上的 Riot 员工。

作为一个社区，我们有责任批评 Riot。玩家不能，或者至少似乎不愿批评 Riot。玩家可能害怕公开反对 Riot，因为他们害怕被列入黑名单，就好像他们是生活在极权主义政权下的持不同政见者一样。我们需要使用这些论坛来产生关键的对话，迫使 Riot 在必要时实施变革。在接下来的几周内，一大群职业玩家和社区的其他幕后成员将创建一个组织，以匿名但集体公开反对 Riot。为什么需要这个？坦率地说，Riot 是由一个裙带关系的企业精英经营的，他们不了解游戏的高水平游戏，也不积极寻求社区的批评意见。这就是批准 ares buff 并让 CoD 玩家为我们的 FPS 排名系统制作 MMR 算法而不是雇用管理员（并支付他们的医疗保健费用）的同一个 Riot。作为一个社区，我们集体缺乏发言权导致了我们目前处于这种可怕的情况，多年磨练的玩家现在没有工作，或者根据新时代的指导方针再等几年才能玩。这些只是冰山一角。让我们避免再次像守望先锋那样的泰坦尼克号崩溃，并推动 Riot 避免已经成为英雄联盟电子竞技的失败。这场游戏的命运不仅仅掌握在那些显然与他们像暴君一样统治的社区之外的企业精英手中。我们不应该让这家拥有精美图形的皮肤养殖公司分散我们对他们可怕问题的注意力（没有演示系统？）。游戏的命运掌握在我们手中，VLR 的论坛就是我们的麦克风（除了 Twitter 和诸如此类的东西，我们将在未来几周内动员起来）。

我们拥有比我们想象的更多的力量。也许你们中的一些人知道最近对 Madden 的抵制。我们可以为 Valorant 做同样的事情，我们将在接下来的几周内帮助集体组织，让我们的声音不仅被听到，而且被感受到（在他们的钱包里）。 Riot，如果你在听，请多听。我们需要你倾听并停止像暴君一样行事。我们爱你的游戏，我们不爱你。不要把我们对游戏的热情混为我们对你的热情。我们是一个社区，我们将确保您知道权力不会继续完全掌握在您手中。这不是威胁，而是承诺。希望您认为这对电子竞技的长寿有益。把 Riot 的 Plat 员工放在一边，研磨机是来帮忙的。

更新：我在帖子中添加了来自 #28 的精彩评论：

“我不认为那些用户是 Riot 的人。问题是，这个游戏/社区有这么多年轻人。他们没有考虑特许经营的后果。他们只是对游戏过于狂热。

事实是，特许经营会对游戏造成很大的伤害。只看守望先锋。游戏很棒，但没有真正的机会进入职业圈。
你不能在你的团队中只有 5 个好人，让每个人都感到惊讶。特许球队将只与其他特许球队比赛。
这也会影响收视率。不是在开始时，也可能是在最初的 1-2 年。但从长远来看。它只会变得无聊，因为它总是一样的。
更少的观众=更少的人会玩游戏或开始新的游戏。

这也意味着没有新的组织将投资于游戏和他们的团队。只是没用。他们将专注于其他游戏。

最后 Riot 将摧毁他们的游戏并帮助像 CS:GO 这样的游戏。因为那些组织将在那里投资，而不是在 Valorant。”

I assure you Riot has thought long and hard about this over several meetings with several experts. Some of your concerns will have come up that didn't tip the decision in your favor. They will not change their mind.

8/8 bait

Alova02 [#45]

While yes, I can also argued that the reason CS only succeeded in EU is that valve and most TOs have neglected Asia. Look at what happened when they weren't neglected, overwatch dominated by Korean players, League of Legends eastern hemisphere is known to be kings, valorant actually have fair international competition in that any region have a chance, look at this year alone where Asia make top 3 twice, top 2 once, NA EU presence is always in the top 4 and top 1, SA has loud and lev to bring the region up.

I cannot speak for your region, and I am sorry that Valve has done this. In any case, franchising is not relevant to this matter. Nonetheless, I appreciate your comments. We are building a dialogue, a discourse, A CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF A SILENCE, A HOPE!

Hey! sorry to interrupt the game but I’m conducting a poll: do you think brim’s thick thighs are a competitive disadvantage, as most assume — a bigger, thicker target for opponents —or, HEAR ME OUT, could they in fact be an advantage as they tend to attract the enemy’s gaze and thus distract them from the head?

Alova02 [#43]

Its fine I get it. Though poaching in its sense is not as bad as one would think. For poaching to work, there's 3 things at play. Players must agree, the Orgs holding the players must agree, and lastly contracts. The player contracts must have already ended before they are allowed to be poach ( in reference to the rules given by riot in that if a player is signed, they are required to be signed atleast for a season aka whole year, and the contract can't be broken unless dire circumstances. Mid season is more of a loan / temporary buyout rather than full-time to help fill in gaps a franchise team might have ).

I have doubt about riot franchise until they slowly reveal one by one the rules and regulations, the system in place and how everything is taking place. I am uncertain whether it will fail or succeed as it depends on many factors, but riot has given quite a few safety nets in salaries, poaching, T2/3 buffers where orgs in franchised can't just take anything they want. And the fact that useless teams in franchise WILL get kicked out due to it being non-beneficial to Riot finance or reputation

the problem is that franchising almost encourages players to accept offers outside challengers. if you're a star and get an offer midseason to go the big leagues, you dont take the gamble of whether your team will win the end of year qualifying tournament, you take the certainty of the franchise spot.

indi_getrektson [#53]

I assure you Riot has thought long and hard about this over several meetings with several experts. Some of your concerns will have come up that didn't tip the decision in your favor. They will not change their mind.

sure, they had a long, hard conversation amongst their bronze staff. this is the problem: you assume because they have an enormous wad of cash that they are making good decisions. they paid money for csgo devs to make a copy/pasta of their game, then they passed it off to cod players who have 0 tactical fps experience and have no idea how to learn from the success of csgo. they have csgo derangement syndrome: imposter syndrome.

have fun shilling tho

Strafe7 [#52]

文字https://clips.twitch.tv/QuaintAgreeableBarracudaJebaited-WBKQQdP0_frS5leV

首先，我想说我喜欢 VLR.GG，并且作为一个普通的读者已经喜欢这个网站一年多了。但是，我真的很担心 Riot 已经渗透到论坛中。这里，我不是指管理员，也不是指 VLR 员工中的任何人。我说的是用户。我不敢相信这些用户中的一些人缺乏任何关键能力来提高他们反对 Riot 的声音并且只是鹦鹉学舌他们的霸主。还记得当数十名用户庆祝特许经营公告时，没有任何对显然对球员和球迷造成毁灭性打击的事情进行批评吗？有多少用户愿意跪下舔公司的靴子，真是令人震惊。世界上到处都是这样没有头脑的羊，但我不认为这些只是旅鼠。我认为他们是我们社区论坛上的 Riot 员工。

作为一个社区，我们有责任批评 Riot。玩家不能，或者至少似乎不愿批评 Riot。玩家可能害怕公开反对 Riot，因为他们害怕被列入黑名单，就好像他们是生活在极权主义政权下的持不同政见者一样。我们需要使用这些论坛来产生关键的对话，迫使 Riot 在必要时实施变革。在接下来的几周内，一大群职业玩家和社区的其他幕后成员将创建一个组织，以匿名但集体公开反对 Riot。为什么需要这个？坦率地说，Riot 是由一个裙带关系的企业精英经营的，他们不了解游戏的高水平游戏，也不积极寻求社区的批评意见。这就是批准 ares buff 并让 CoD 玩家为我们的 FPS 排名系统制作 MMR 算法而不是雇用管理员（并支付他们的医疗保健费用）的同一个 Riot。作为一个社区，我们集体缺乏发言权导致了我们目前处于这种可怕的情况，多年磨练的玩家现在没有工作，或者根据新时代的指导方针再等几年才能玩。这些只是冰山一角。让我们避免再次像守望先锋那样的泰坦尼克号崩溃，并推动 Riot 避免已经成为英雄联盟电子竞技的失败。这场游戏的命运不仅仅掌握在那些显然与他们像暴君一样统治的社区之外的企业精英手中。我们不应该让这家拥有精美图形的皮肤养殖公司分散我们对他们可怕问题的注意力（没有演示系统？）。游戏的命运掌握在我们手中，VLR 的论坛就是我们的麦克风（除了 Twitter 和诸如此类的东西，我们将在未来几周内动员起来）。

我们拥有比我们想象的更多的力量。也许你们中的一些人知道最近对 Madden 的抵制。我们可以为 Valorant 做同样的事情，我们将在接下来的几周内帮助集体组织，让我们的声音不仅被听到，而且被感受到（在他们的钱包里）。 Riot，如果你在听，请多听。我们需要你倾听并停止像暴君一样行事。我们爱你的游戏，我们不爱你。不要把我们对游戏的热情混为我们对你的热情。我们是一个社区，我们将确保您知道权力不会继续完全掌握在您手中。这不是威胁，而是承诺。希望您认为这对电子竞技的长寿有益。把 Riot 的 Plat 员工放在一边，研磨机是来帮忙的。

更新：我在帖子中添加了来自 #28 的精彩评论：

“我不认为那些用户是 Riot 的人。问题是，这个游戏/社区有这么多年轻人。他们没有考虑特许经营的后果。他们只是对游戏过于狂热。

事实是，特许经营会对游戏造成很大的伤害。只看守望先锋。游戏很棒，但没有真正的机会进入职业圈。
你不能在你的团队中只有 5 个好人，让每个人都感到惊讶。特许球队将只与其他特许球队比赛。
这也会影响收视率。不是在开始时，也可能是在最初的 1-2 年。但从长远来看。它只会变得无聊，因为它总是一样的。
更少的观众=更少的人会玩游戏或开始新的游戏。

这也意味着没有新的组织将投资于游戏和他们的团队。只是没用。他们将专注于其他游戏。

最后 Riot 将摧毁他们的游戏并帮助像 CS:GO 这样的游戏。因为那些组织将在那里投资，而不是在 Valorant。”

文字https://clips.twitch.tv/QuaintAgreeableBarracudaJebaited-WBKQQdP0_frS5leV

首先，我想说我喜欢 VLR.GG，并且作为一个普通的读者已经喜欢这个网站一年多了。但是，我真的很担心 Riot 已经渗透到论坛中。这里，我不是指管理员，也不是指 VLR 员工中的任何人。我说的是用户。我不敢相信这些用户中的一些人缺乏任何关键能力来提高他们反对 Riot 的声音并且只是鹦鹉学舌他们的霸主。还记得当数十名用户庆祝特许经营公告时，没有任何对显然对球员和球迷造成毁灭性打击的事情进行批评吗？有多少用户愿意跪下舔公司的靴子，真是令人震惊。世界上到处都是这样没有头脑的羊，但我不认为这些只是旅鼠。我认为他们是我们社区论坛上的 Riot 员工。

作为一个社区，我们有责任批评 Riot。玩家不能，或者至少似乎不愿批评 Riot。玩家可能害怕公开反对 Riot，因为他们害怕被列入黑名单，就好像他们是生活在极权主义政权下的持不同政见者一样。我们需要使用这些论坛来产生关键的对话，迫使 Riot 在必要时实施变革。在接下来的几周内，一大群职业玩家和社区的其他幕后成员将创建一个组织，以匿名但集体公开反对 Riot。为什么需要这个？坦率地说，Riot 是由一个裙带关系的企业精英经营的，他们不了解游戏的高水平游戏，也不积极寻求社区的批评意见。这就是批准 ares buff 并让 CoD 玩家为我们的 FPS 排名系统制作 MMR 算法而不是雇用管理员（并支付他们的医疗保健费用）的同一个 Riot。作为一个社区，我们集体缺乏发言权导致了我们目前处于这种可怕的情况，多年磨练的玩家现在没有工作，或者根据新时代的指导方针再等几年才能玩。这些只是冰山一角。让我们避免再次像守望先锋那样的泰坦尼克号崩溃，并推动 Riot 避免已经成为英雄联盟电子竞技的失败。这场游戏的命运不仅仅掌握在那些显然与他们像暴君一样统治的社区之外的企业精英手中。我们不应该让这家拥有精美图形的皮肤养殖公司分散我们对他们可怕问题的注意力（没有演示系统？）。游戏的命运掌握在我们手中，VLR 的论坛就是我们的麦克风（除了 Twitter 和诸如此类的东西，我们将在未来几周内动员起来）。

我们拥有比我们想象的更多的力量。也许你们中的一些人知道最近对 Madden 的抵制。我们可以为 Valorant 做同样的事情，我们将在接下来的几周内帮助集体组织，让我们的声音不仅被听到，而且被感受到（在他们的钱包里）。 Riot，如果你在听，请多听。我们需要你倾听并停止像暴君一样行事。我们爱你的游戏，我们不爱你。不要把我们对游戏的热情混为我们对你的热情。我们是一个社区，我们将确保您知道权力不会继续完全掌握在您手中。这不是威胁，而是承诺。希望您认为这对电子竞技的长寿有益。把 Riot 的 Plat 员工放在一边，研磨机是来帮忙的。

更新：我在帖子中添加了来自 #28 的精彩评论：

“我不认为那些用户是 Riot 的人。问题是，这个游戏/社区有这么多年轻人。他们没有考虑特许经营的后果。他们只是对游戏过于狂热。

事实是，特许经营会对游戏造成很大的伤害。只看守望先锋。游戏很棒，但没有真正的机会进入职业圈。
你不能在你的团队中只有 5 个好人，让每个人都感到惊讶。特许球队将只与其他特许球队比赛。
这也会影响收视率。不是在开始时，也可能是在最初的 1-2 年。但从长远来看。它只会变得无聊，因为它总是一样的。
更少的观众=更少的人会玩游戏或开始新的游戏。

这也意味着没有新的组织将投资于游戏和他们的团队。只是没用。他们将专注于其他游戏。

最后 Riot 将摧毁他们的游戏并帮助像 CS:GO 这样的游戏。因为那些组织将在那里投资，而不是在 Valorant。”

First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community the rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

TLDR: Learn to read.

RiotAgainstRiot [#9]

You call it dumb, yet do not offer any argument. Please, elaborate. Or, is that beyond your capacity? Please, my friend, embrace a democratic attitude where you are called upon to articulate yourself instead of barking like a dog.

'high chance to work'? 1 team 'ascends' a year. 1. that one team will likely have their talent poached beforehand, or may just have been lucky to win the final qualifying tournament and not represent the overall talent of the league. this year alone we saw at least half a dozen teams come from the lower ranks into the highest tier of competition. the #1 team from EU and NA have been forced to disband strictly because Riot wants a franchising model for which it has provided no argument as to its worth other than that it may end up meaning more money for Riot's wallet (at the expense of longer term profits for the company and the fall that awaits it if it does not support a healthy and robust ecosystem outside franchising). you are clearly not a rito employee, but merely another uncritical being. Kim Jong Un would love a citizen as obedient as you.

refuses to elaborate GIGACHAD "I made it up"

TheHardStuckImmortal [#50]

why would they need a community conversation about franchising when the community isn't even involved apart from the fact that we are the audience? They are not obligated to address us about franchising in detail. On the main subreddit, devs frequently answer questions and hold AMAs if that is your main concern. They do not need to organise a whole ass community conversation just to highlight the benefits and explain what it is. It's a waste of the employee's time.

"they are not obligated" LMAOOOO

"waste of the employee's time" SHILLLLL HARDER LMAOOOO

yes, defend your master. you are such a good slave. they will promote you to slave driver soon. stay a sheep.

devs answering questions about making skins are little treats to distract you from the total opaqueness of their esports development team. this is the same rito that expected us to believe that playoff brackets for the first few Masters' tournaments were determined by those 'random' ball drawings?

"The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene." 🤡🤡🤡

that is so untrue

just watch THIS https://youtu.be/rYFuPjZn6XE

geckox1 [#62]

"The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene." 🤡🤡🤡

that is so untrue

just watch THIS https://youtu.be/rYFuPjZn6XE

LOL this aged well from an Acend member

this video is just licking the boot: the fact still stands, Rito only allows ONE team to make it to the big leagues per year, and that team will likely just be from LATM. this year alone we saw MANYYYY teams make it into the top tier from out of nowhere while the top teams stagnated... Ghost, Knights, The Guard, etc etc etc

you guys only think this is good because you don't know there is an alternative: look at CSGO, even tier 4 teams have salaries...

Primero que nada, quiero decir que me encanta VLR.GG y he disfrutado este sitio como un lector casual por más de un año. Sin embargo, estoy genuinamente preocupado que Riot se haya infiltrado en los foros. No me refiero a los admins y tampoco me refiero a alguien dentro del staff de VLR. Estoy hablando de los usuarios. No puedo creer que algunos de estos usuarios carecen de la capacidad crítica para alzar su voz contra Riot y meramente repiten lo que dicen sus amos. ¿Recuerdan cuando docenas de usuarios estaban celebrando el anuncio de franquicias sin ningún tipo de respuesta crítica de lo que obviamente iba a devastar a jugadores y fans? Es verdaderamente impactante cómo muchos usuarios parecen estar dispuestos a ponerse de rodillas y lamer la bota corporativa. El mundo está lleno de ovejas sin mente, pero no creo que éstos sean solo lemmins. Creo que son empleados de Riot en nuestro foro comunitario.

Tenemos una responsabilidad como comunidad de ser críticos hacia Riot. Los jugadores no, o al menos parecen dudosos de, criticar a Riot. Los jugadores probablemente están aterrorizados de hablar en contra de Riot por el miedo de ser puestos en la lista negra porque mostraron su disenso viviendo bajo un régimen totalitario. Tenemos que usar estos foros para generar conversaciones críticas que pongan presión a Riot para implementar cambios cuando sea necesario. En las próximas semanas, un gran grupo de jugadores profesionales y otros miembros que están detrás de la escena de la comunidad estarán creando una organización anónima pero colectivamente para ofrecer una respuesta pública en contrar de Riot. ¿Por qué es necesario esto? Francamente, Riot está siendo controlado por una elite corporativa nepotista que no entiende el juego a un alto nivel de jugabilidad y no buscan activamente buscar comentarios críticos de la comunidad. Este es el mismo Riot que aprobó el buff a la ares y que permitió que un jugador de CoD hiciera un algoritmo de MMR para nuestro sistema de rankeds de FPS en lugar de contratar administradores (y pagar por su seguro). Nuestra falta colectiva de voz como comunidad llevó a esta horrible situación que estamos viviendo actualmente en donde los jugadores que han estado grindeando por años ahora fuero están sin trabajo o esperando por más años para poder jugar según el reglamente de esta nueva era. Esto es solo la punta del iceberg. Evitemos otro colapso titánico como el de Overwatch, y obliguemos a Riot a evitar el fracaso que se ha convertido la liga de esports de League of Legends. El destino de este juego no está solo en las manos de una elite corporativa que aparentemente se aleja de la comunidad como unos tiranos. No debemos dejar que esta compañía que cultiva skins con gráficos elegantes nos distraiga de sus horribles problemas (¿no hay sistema de demos?). El futuro de este juego está en nuestras manos, y el foro VLR es nuestro micrófono (así como también Twitter y quién sabe más, en donde estaremos movilizándonos en las siguientes semanas).

Tenemos más poder del que pensamos. Quizás algunos de ustedes están conscientes de nuestros recientes boycotts hacia Madden. Podemos hacer lo mismo por Valorant, y nos organizaremos colectivamente en las siguientes semanas para ayudar a que nuestras voces no sean sólo escuchadas pero también sentidas (en sus billeteras). Riot, si estás escuchando, por favor escucha más. Necesitamos que escuchen y que dejen de actuar como tiranos. Amamos tu juego, no los amamos a ustedes. No confundan nuestro entusiasmo por el juego por nuestro entusiasmo hacia ustedes. Somos una comunidad, y nos aseguraremos que sepas que el poder no continuará solamente en sus manos. Esto no es una amenaza, sino una promesa. Con suerte verán esto como algo benéfico para la longevidad del esport. Háganse a un lado staff platino de Riot, los grinders estamos aquí para ayudar.

TLDR: Aprendan a leer.

THE GOAT OF VLR....

bro said he loves this site

RiotAgainstRiot [#56]

the problem is that franchising almost encourages players to accept offers outside challengers. if you're a star and get an offer midseason to go the big leagues, you dont take the gamble of whether your team will win the end of year qualifying tournament, you take the certainty of the franchise spot.

youre wrong about this

First of all, I want to say that I love VLR.GG and have enjoyed this site as a casual reader for over a year. However, I am genuinely concerned that Riot has infiltrated the forums. By this, I do not mean the admins nor do I mean anyone on the VLR staff. I am talking about the users. I cannot believe some of these users lack any critical capacity to raise their voice against Riot and merely parrot their overlords. Remember when dozens of users were celebrating the Franchising announcement without any critical pushback of what was obviously going to be devastating for players and fans? It's truly shocking how many users appear willing to get on their knees and lick the corporate boot. The world is full of such mindless sheep, but I do not think these are mere lemmings. I think they are Riot employees on our community forum.

We have a responsibility as a community to be critical of Riot. The players cannot, or at least seem hesitant to, critique Riot. The players are likely terrified of speaking out against Riot for fear of being blacklisted as though they were dissenters living under a totalitarian regime. We need to use these forums to generate critical conversations that pressure Riot to implement changes when necessary. In the coming weeks, a large group of pro players and other behind-the-scenes members of the community will be creating an organization to anonymously yet collectively offer public pushback against Riot. Why is this needed? Frankly, Riot is run by a nepotistic corporate elite who do not understand the game at a high level of play and do not actively seek out critical input from the community. This is the same Riot that approved the ares buff and who have left a CoD player to make an MMR algorithm for our FPS ranked system instead of hiring admins (and paying for their healthcare). Our collective lack of voice as a community led to this horrific situation we are currently in where players who grinded for years are now left without a job or left waiting another few years to play according to the new age guidelines. These are but the tip of the iceberg. Let's avoid another Titanic collapse like that of Overwatch, and push Riot to avoid the failure that has become League of Legend's esports. The fate of this game is not just in the hands of a corporate elite who are apparently aloof from the community they rule like tyrants. We should not let this skin farming company with fancy graphics distract us from their horrible problems (no demo system?). The fate of the game is in our hands, and VLR's forum is our microphone (in addition to Twitter and whatnot, which we will be mobilizing in the coming weeks).

We have more power than we think. Maybe some of you are aware of the recent boycotts for Madden. We can do the same for Valorant, and we will help to collectively organize in the coming weeks to make our voice not only heard but felt (in their wallets). Riot, if you're listening, please listen more. We need you to listen and stop acting like tyrants. We love your game, we do not love you. Do not confuse our enthusiasm for the game for our enthusiasm for you. We are a community, and we will make sure you know that power will not continue to rest solely in your hands. This is not a threat, but a promise. Hopefully you see this as beneficial for the longevity of the esport. Move aside Riot's Plat staff, the grinders are here to help.

UPDATE: I've included this wonderful comment from #28 here on the post:

"I don't think that those Users are Riot people. The problem is, that this game/community has so many young people. They don't think about the consequences that franchising has. They are just fanboying the game too much.

The fact is, that franchising will hurt the game a lot. Just look at Overwatch. The game is great but there is no real chance to get into the pro scene.
You can't just have 5 good people in your team and surprise everyone. Franchise team will just play against other franchise teams.
This will also affect viewership. Not at the beginning or maybe in the first 1-2 years. But in a long term. It will just get boring because it's always the same.
And with less viewers = less people will play game or start new with it.

It also means that no new Orgs will invest in the game and their team. It's just useless. They will focus on other games.

At the end Riot will destroy their game and help games like CS:GO. Because those Orgs will invest there and not in Valorant."

TLDR: Do you think brim’s thick thighs are a competitive disadvantage, as most assume — a bigger, thicker target for opponents —or, HEAR ME OUT, could they in fact be an advantage as they tend to attract the enemy’s gaze and thus distract them from the head?

wait this post is from 10 months ago, i was reading everything WTF