trying to brainwash his fans that Victor is more impactful than Yay and tacitly explain why he (Tenz) is better than Yay. LOL.
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Hes not wrong, yay will get you kills no matter what, hes always online, so the deciding factor in optics games usually comes down to how much the other ones are feeling it, especially victor who has such an important role in making space. I swear there was a thread saying exactly this a few days ago and everyone agreed
charizard_123 [#3]Hes not wrong, yay will get you kills no matter what, hes always online, so the deciding factor in optics games usually comes down to how much the other ones are feeling it, especially victor who has such an important role in making space. I swear there was a thread saying exactly this a few days ago and everyone agreed
Then you're misquoting Tenz; he's quite literally saying the team's success is dependent on Victor, but not on Yay. That yay's numbers are just an aftermath of Victor giving space and providing good positioning for his team, which is being extremely generous toward Victor and undermining the hell out of Yay.
ptrlol [#4]Then you're misquoting Tenz; he's quite literally saying the team's success is dependent on Victor, but not on Yay. That yay's numbers are just an aftermath of Victor giving space and providing good positioning for his team, which is being extremely generous toward Victor and undermining the hell out of Yay.
i mean he is correct with the success is dependent on victor cuz no matter if they win or lose yay plays good
ptrlol [#4]Then you're misquoting Tenz; he's quite literally saying the team's success is dependent on Victor, but not on Yay. That yay's numbers are just an aftermath of Victor giving space and providing good positioning for his team, which is being extremely generous toward Victor and undermining the hell out of Yay.
that's the whole point of valorant, do you think yay's getting 300 acs playing 1v5? Of course he's getting so many kills because his teammates play around his op since he's just that consistent. Not only victor, but the whole team. The problem is that for some reason you're viewing as an insult to yay which it literally isn't. Chamber by itself can't do anything but dry peek and hold angles, if you watch optic matches you constantly see yay getting frags thanks to crashies flashes or victor throwing himself into the site.
Also the final part of your post "and tacitly explain why he (Tenz) is better than Yay." Is completely false, there's not even a hint of this in his statement.
number1_ScreaM_fan [#6]i mean he is correct with the success is dependent on victor cuz no matter if they win or lose yay plays good
Except Tenz, himself, never mentioned the final bit.
And this narrative makes no sense. If Yay always plays good, then the success of the team depends on everyone else playing their roles properly, why would it depend solely on Victor?
ptrlol [#8]Except Tenz, himself, never mentioned the final bit.
And this narrative makes no sense. If Yay always plays good, then the success of the team depends on everyone else playing their roles properly, why would it depend solely on Victor?
"yay puts up like really, really good statistics all the time" that sounds very much like the final bit.
why would it depend solely on Victor?
He never said it depends solely on victor
charizard_123 [#7]that's the whole point of valorant, do you think yay's getting 300 acs playing 1v5? Of course he's getting so many kills because his teammates play around his op since he's just that consistent. Not only victor, but the whole team. The problem is that for some reason you're viewing as an insult to yay which it literally isn't. Chamber by itself can't do anything but dry peek and hold angles, if you watch optic matches you constantly see yay getting frags thanks to crashies flashes or victor throwing himself into the site.
Also the final part of your post "and tacitly explain why he (Tenz) is better than Yay." Is completely false, there's not even a hint of this in his statement.
Alright, I've already debunked your statement that TenZ is claiming Yay consistently plays well therefore the success depends on Victor in my response to scream fan. Like that doesn't even make sense since the claim that TenZ was responding to was, "Optic is screwed if Yay doesn't show up."
I'll spell out the TACIT claim. Since Yay is constantly putting up great numbers, TenZ is undermining Yay's consistency and uplifting Victor's position since TenZ is also Sentinel's entry. In other words, he's arguing that Victor (and thereby TenZ as proxy) is playing a much harder game and impactful role for the team.
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ptrlol [#10]Alright, I've already debunked your statement that TenZ is claiming Yay consistently plays well therefore the success depends on Victor in my response to scream fan. Like that doesn't even make sense since the claim that TenZ was responding to was, "Optic is screwed if Yay doesn't show up."
I'll spell out the TACIT claim. Since Yay is constantly putting up great numbers, TenZ is undermining Yay's consistency and uplifting Victor's position since TenZ is also Sentinel's entry. In other words, he's arguing that Victor (and thereby TenZ as proxy) is playing a much harder game and impactful role for the team.
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Tenz doesnt even play entry anymore💀
charizard_123 [#9]"yay puts up like really, really good statistics all the time" that sounds very much like the final bit.
why would it depend solely on Victor?
He never said it depends solely on victor
yeah, why are you skipping the rest of what he said??? "his role isn't requiring that many risks so he'll always be positive."
edit: "I think Optic's success is really dependant on Vic's entry" in response to "Optic are kinda fucked if yay doesn't show up."
ptrlol [#12]yeah, why are you skipping the rest of what he said??? "his role isn't requiring that many risks so he'll always be positive."
edit: "I think Optic's success is really dependant on Vic's entry" in response to "Optic are kinda fucked if yay doesn't show up."
Whats wrong with that statement? A sentinels and opper role is of course going to be less risky than the entry duelist
charizard_123 [#13]Whats wrong with that statement? A sentinels and opper role is of course going to be less risky than the entry duelist
Guy is just mad.
charizard_123 [#13]Whats wrong with that statement? A sentinels and opper role is of course going to be less risky than the entry duelist
Dude if your sentinel/opper is constantly top fragging and getting valuable kills, then you claim that the success is dependant on your mediocre (relative to everyone else) entry duelist for literally just entrying, people would assume you're salty.
ptrlol [#15]Dude if your sentinel/opper is constantly top fragging and getting valuable kills, then you claim that the success is dependant on your mediocre (relative to everyone else) entry duelist for literally just entrying, people would assume you're salty.
Bro he just meant that yay is a constant for Optic so its not a question of whether he does well or not. Victor is usually the player entrying and if he is able to get kills while doing so then Optic is gonna win more rounds. Its nit that deep. And yes yay is not playing risky even when he is, because of Chamber tp.
lol I'm sure he means that victor performance as a duelist is incredibly vital to Optic successes. Just look at optics games Yay will have impact no matter what but getting onto a site in valorant is so important. The games where other optic players other than yay like victor do really badly is the games optic will most likely lose or struggle more.
h9zard [#21]Bro he just meant that yay is a constant for Optic so its not a question of whether he does well or not. Victor is usually the player entrying and if he is able to get kills while doing so then Optic is gonna win more rounds. Its nit that deep. And yes yay is not playing risky even when he is, because of Chamber tp.
Can you read my previous comment..? It's a little difficult to hear since TenZ reads it quickly, but he RESPONDS to the claim that "Optics are fucked if yay doesn't show up" or if Yay doesn't play consistently well, Optic is screwed. Tenz is claiming, "no, the team's success is dependent on Victor." How the hell does that mean: since Yay is constantly playing well, the team's success is determined on Victor successfully entrying??? The fact that that interpretation is the highest voted in this thread makes me lose hope for this website.
TacticalRab also agree with Tenz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs7JY5mYKN8&t=1s&ab_channel=VALORANTNews-TacticalRab
VGG [#25]TacticalRab also agree with Tenz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs7JY5mYKN8&t=1s&ab_channel=VALORANTNews-TacticalRab
Exactly because that's literally what TenZ said... The people here blindly upvoting charizard are either braindead or delusional.
ptrlol [#26]Exactly because that's literally what TenZ said... The people here blindly upvoting charizard are either braindead or delusional.
because victor in the key
VGG [#28]because victor in the key
Oh, you're talking about his last bit lol.
Dude, Victor's performance relies on Yay performing well. Of course, if the rest of the team is pulling their weight and Victor doesn't (usually when he plays Kay/o and has to be the first initiator or 2nd entry), then the team will collapse. The stats suggest it, the scores suggest it, the gameplay suggests it, but that's not the point. The point is TenZ is claiming Victor is more important than Yay and more impactful, yet he's ignoring how Yay has been performing consistently well such that it usually comes down to Victor's performance to make or break the team. The question is, if Yay absolutely can't pull his weight, like some of Victor's game, can the rest of the team carry Yay's weight with just Victor's entry? The answer is probably a no.
edit: your youtube video also agrees with me about what TenZ says directly lol...
ChubbyChoob [#27]Asuna said exactly same as well, seems like they know more than you guys :))
Not really. Asuna doesn't blatantly say one teammate is more important than Yay, like TenZ does. He just says Yay is able to perform consistently well because of his team.
But how would Asuna explain Yay's performance and consistency during his time in Andbox when he was in an entirely different team? During that time, people were saying he was consistently fragging because his team was trash (so the complete opposite of what's being said here) lmao.
Here's two scenarios that can happen: 1) both Asuna and TenZ are being objective about their analysis of Yay or 2) they're both envious of the attention Yay is getting so they want to downplay his achievements. If you think it's the former, go for it.
ptrlol [#31]Oh, you're talking about his last bit lol.
Dude, Victor's performance relies on Yay performing well. Of course, if the rest of the team is pulling their weight and Victor doesn't (usually when he plays Kay/o and has to be the first initiator or 2nd entry), then the team will collapse. The stats suggest it, the scores suggest it, the gameplay suggests it, but that's not the point. The point is TenZ is claiming Victor is more important than Yay and more impactful, yet he's ignoring how Yay has been performing consistently well such that it usually comes down to Victor's performance to make or break the team. The question is, if Yay absolutely can't pull his weight, like some of Victor's game, can the rest of the team carry Yay's weight with just Victor's entry? The answer is probably a no.edit: your youtube video also agrees with me about what TenZ says directly lol...
TacticalRab agree that victor is the key yes
VGG [#33]TacticalRab agree that victor is the key yes
He doesn't agree with TenZ that Victor is more important than Yay... TacticalRab just says Victor might be the key for Optic's wins after showing us the DRX vs OPTC scores where there is a positive correlation between Victor's performance and Optic winning the game (Optc vs Boom contradicts this correlation however).
I explained why that could be the case without agreeing with TenZ's claim. If everyone else is doing their role well and Victor is the only one playing inconsistently, then of course Victor is the key for the team's success. But that's not TenZ's argument. TenZ is arguing that Victor is more important, and whether Yay performs well or not doesn't matter for the success of Optic. The issue is, we've never had a game where Yay underperformed; in his worst, Yay only played mediocrely.
AnimeFan03 [#17]Yes
Bro just has a hate boner for tenz
fr lmfao
TenZ just saying entrying is much harder than the lurk role yay embraces these days.. and hence victor often plays a complicated role in the team and ends up getting traded after entries. Its literally a fact and thats why even if victor doesnt frag out sometimes he gives the entry for the time and leaves yay for the clutches on the chamber
ptrlol [#34]He doesn't agree with TenZ that Victor is more important than Yay... TacticalRab just says Victor might be the key for Optic's wins after showing us the DRX vs OPTC scores where there is a positive correlation between Victor's performance and Optic winning the game (Optc vs Boom contradicts this correlation however).
I explained why that could be the case without agreeing with TenZ's claim. If everyone else is doing their role well and Victor is the only one playing inconsistently, then of course Victor is the key for the team's success. But that's not TenZ's argument. TenZ is arguing that Victor is more important, and whether Yay performs well or not doesn't matter for the success of Optic. The issue is, we've never had a game where Yay underperformed; in his worst, Yay only played mediocrely.
Are you deaf? He said very clearly that he agrees with Tenz that Victor is the key
charizard_123 [#3]Hes not wrong, yay will get you kills no matter what, hes always online, so the deciding factor in optics games usually comes down to how much the other ones are feeling it, especially victor who has such an important role in making space. I swear there was a thread saying exactly this a few days ago and everyone agreed
Victor makes way too many mistakes to be described as more impactful. Yeah, making space is his role....? That doesn't make him more impactful lmao. Anyone can make space in the level of structured executes that we see from OPTIC as it's literally planned. I'm not flaming him or anything but yay can pop off in every situation, Victor cannot.
zeldrols [#23]lol I'm sure he means that victor performance as a duelist is incredibly vital to Optic successes. Just look at optics games Yay will have impact no matter what but getting onto a site in valorant is so important. The games where other optic players other than yay like victor do really badly is the games optic will most likely lose or struggle more.
But that's his role.... do you think he just decides how he's going to get onto site in the heat of the moment? Ofc not lmao, it's part of a planned execute. All he needs to do is to carry out his neon wall/raze satchel movement/jett dash and he's in. You're making it sound a lot more impactful and difficult than it actually is. Victor is good, no doubt, but he cannot pop off in the loose situations as frequently and as well as yay.
ptrlol [#24]Can you read my previous comment..? It's a little difficult to hear since TenZ reads it quickly, but he RESPONDS to the claim that "Optics are fucked if yay doesn't show up" or if Yay doesn't play consistently well, Optic is screwed. Tenz is claiming, "no, the team's success is dependent on Victor." How the hell does that mean: since Yay is constantly playing well, the team's success is determined on Victor successfully entrying??? The fact that that interpretation is the highest voted in this thread makes me lose hope for this website.
The only reason you arent able to get that interpretation is cause you have some sort of hatred for tenz and just want to make him out to be salty or jealous or smthng.
He starts out by saying "not necessarily" meaning he isnt completely disagreeing to it either. he then explains the roles that yay and vic play. and yeah if vic doesnt get entries or make enough space then yay wont be able to do what he's the best at which is holding angles with the op and punishing ppl in postplants or having impacts on his lurks. Also he was exclusively talking abt their attack where vic's role is definitely more important than yay. what is so hard to digest? also tenz has been complimenting yay throughout the watchparties too. idk why you are hellbent on making him look salty.
wiki [#38]But that's his role.... do you think he just decides how he's going to get onto site in the heat of the moment? Ofc not lmao, it's part of a planned execute. All he needs to do is to carry out his neon wall/raze satchel movement/jett dash and he's in. You're making it sound a lot more impactful and difficult than it actually is. Victor is good, no doubt, but he cannot pop off in the loose situations as frequently and as well as yay.
pro teams literally live or die by their duelist on attack. Reason why optic lost is cause victor can't entry properly for a lot of the games. His job as a duelist is pretty crucial to optic success. Yay pops off regardless of win or lose. Ppl seem to be braindead when it comes to understanding how this game works. Just cause victor sachel or ults in doesn't mean its a good entry if he instantly die and they don't trade. Did you know why Fnatic lost to 100T first time ? Cause Will pop the fuck off and derke/alfajer wasn't able to do their job as duelist properly.
DELUSIONAL_LAKIA_FAN [#39]lost braincells reading this thread its not that deep
ikr. he just said what what everyone has been saying including casters and analysts but since its tenz ofc "he is salty and jealous at yay's success and wants to undermine his consistency🤓"
wiki [#37]Victor makes way too many mistakes to be described as more impactful. Yeah, making space is his role....? That doesn't make him more impactful lmao. Anyone can make space in the level of structured executes that we see from OPTIC as it's literally planned. I'm not flaming him or anything but yay can pop off in every situation, Victor cannot.
Thank. fucking. you. I was losing hope with the amount of braindead responses I was receiving, but finally a sensible comment. I wish I could pin this.
zeldrols [#41]pro teams literally live or die by their duelist on attack. Reason why optic lost is cause victor can't entry properly for a lot of the games. His job as a duelist is pretty crucial to optic success. Yay pops off regardless of win or lose. Ppl seem to be braindead when it comes to understanding how this game works. Just cause victor sachel or ults in doesn't mean its a good entry if he instantly die and they don't trade. Did you know why Fnatic lost to 100T first time ? Cause Will pop the fuck off and derke/alfajer wasn't able to do their job as duelist properly.
Ppl seem to be braindead when it comes to understanding how this game works.
Leave your rank and IGN.
If you think a good entry is determined by whether you get a kill or not, that's exactly the braindead take you're purporting that people have. You can entry and get 0 kills, but if you leave enough space for your team to occupy the site and force the enemy to be visible through multiple chokepoints, you've done your duty exceptionally.
If you think a duelist can just enter site, kill everyone, while the team just enters, at the pro scene, no less, then you're braindead. A equal amount of responsibility for a successful entry is the 2nd entry, typically the initiator, who supports the duelist by either shutting down the enemy's util, blinding them, or binding them, and trades the entry (this is also where Victor makes the majority of his mistakes). It is so much easier for the duelist to only deal with someone shooting at you than if the enemy has full util and can either chip away your health for free, bind/blind you, and/or has the free peeker's/positional advantage.
The reason why a duelist can pop off where everyone has cracked aims is because the teammates create the situations for it. The duelist typically don't create the situation alone, they literally just try to create space and take aim duels. And finally, Optic doesn't run a fucking typical rank pub setup where the duelist enters and 4 people follow him. Often enough, the sentinel or controller followed by the initiator enters while the duelist takes side control with the help of another agent, or vice versa. Does that mean the game is determined by whoever entries? And only in the site's main entry?
Did you know why Fnatic lost to 100T ? Cause Will pop the fuck off and derke/alfajer wasn't able to do their job as duelist properly.
So the stats matter if the duelists are top fragging, but if it's anyone else, such as Yay, it doesn't matter? What is your argument? I could quite literally say the same thing: do you know why Optic won against TL? Because Yay popped the fuck off.
VGG [#36]Are you deaf? He said very clearly that he agrees with Tenz that Victor is the key
I'm assuming English is not your first language? I've already explained why Victor could be the "key" for Optic winning, but that does not necessarily make him the most important member of the team.
ptrlol [#45]I'm assuming English is not your first language? I've already explained why Victor could be the "key" for Optic winning, but that does not necessarily make him the most important member of the team.
nobody care what you have to say because you are a nobody
Tenz asuna are Pros and TacticalRab also agrees with them
I trust Them more than some wannabe from VLR
h9zard [#40]The only reason you arent able to get that interpretation is cause you have some sort of hatred for tenz and just want to make him out to be salty or jealous or smthng.
He starts out by saying "not necessarily" meaning he isnt completely disagreeing to it either. he then explains the roles that yay and vic play. and yeah if vic doesnt get entries or make enough space then yay wont be able to do what he's the best at which is holding angles with the op and punishing ppl in postplants or having impacts on his lurks. Also he was exclusively talking abt their attack where vic's role is definitely more important than yay. what is so hard to digest? also tenz has been complimenting yay throughout the watchparties too. idk why you are hellbent on making him look salty.
Typical Sentinel fan talking out of his ass, not even verifying a single fact that I'm saying.
Also he was exclusively talking abt their attack where vic's role is definitely more important than yay. what is so hard to digest?
Where does TenZ claim he's only talking exclusively on attack side? Optic is quite literally on Defense in the video...
idk why you are hellbent on making him look salty.
Because he is salty. He didn't have to lie so blatantly that Victor (arguably one of the weakest link in Optic) is the most impactful in the team just to appease his own role for Sentinels. He could have listed the benefits that the entire roster plays and provide insight what each individual does and that would have been a W take. It would get the point across that Yay wouldn't be where he was without his team without also undermining his achievements. But that wasn't TenZ's motivation clearly with this dumb take to compare him and Victor lmfao.
ptrlol [#47]Typical Sentinel fan talking out of his ass, not even verifying a single fact that I'm saying.
Also he was exclusively talking abt their attack where vic's role is definitely more important than yay. what is so hard to digest?
Where does TenZ claim he's only talking exclusively on attack side? Optic is quite literally on Defense in the video...
idk why you are hellbent on making him look salty.
Because he is salty. He didn't have to lie so blatantly that Victor (arguably one of the weakest link in Optic) is the most impactful in the team just to appease his own role for Sentinels. He could have listed the benefits that the entire roster plays and provide insight what each individual does and that would have been a W take. It would get the point across that Yay wouldn't be where he was without his team without also undermining his achievements. But that wasn't TenZ's motivation clearly with this dumb take to compare him and Victor lmfao.
Where does TenZ claim he's only talking exclusively on attack side? Optic is quite literally on Defense in the video...
yeah so victor is entrying on defense and yay is lurking on defense? makes sense. also he literally says "on defense yay is holding down a site. and on attack..".
when did he say victor is more impactful? he said victor's role is more important in getting them to sites and making space. doesnt mean he is doing it well. let me rephrase it. if victor is popping off/getting traded properly on attack it is a signal that Optic's attack is going well. But if yay is getting kills on attack its not much of a signal that their attack is going well. rather its just yay getting the kills he always does. so Vic is more of a signal of them playing well than yay because of the roles they are playing. thats all.
the only reason youre making this a big deal is cause it was tenz who said it. every time optic gets brought up casters and analysts say the same thing. that yay will always put stats and play well so the x factor for the team is victor and if he pops off they win cleanly. also what did tenz say that undermined yay's achievements? he just listed out what yay does on attack and defense. yay does it better than anyone else which is why he is on top.
zeldrols [#41]pro teams literally live or die by their duelist on attack. Reason why optic lost is cause victor can't entry properly for a lot of the games. His job as a duelist is pretty crucial to optic success. Yay pops off regardless of win or lose. Ppl seem to be braindead when it comes to understanding how this game works. Just cause victor sachel or ults in doesn't mean its a good entry if he instantly die and they don't trade. Did you know why Fnatic lost to 100T first time ? Cause Will pop the fuck off and derke/alfajer wasn't able to do their job as duelist properly.
I'm braindead? No, that's not the point I was making at all. The point is if it's structured like OPTIC have it then it doesn't matter, because everything is already planned. No that's not the reason FNC lost to 100t lmao. We can talk about that. On pearl they had a bizarre setup where alfa was playing mid on neon and derke was on the A exec... very strange. They made a bunch of other small micro mistakes that aren't relevant to this convo but in short both Alfa and Derke did p well in terms of "killing", just because they're two good players.
Have you been around for the past year and a half? If so, you should know that duelists such as Raze and neon are no longer these characters that people go loosely running round the map looking for picks with, they're simply used to create space and sometimes delay. For that role, you're looking at Chamber, which yay plays. "Yay pops off regardless of win or lose" thanks for proving my point ?XD. This means that he always has insane impact. Most of the time optic lose it's because they make some stupid mistakes as we literally just witnessed on Ascent (I didn't see haven, but I imagine it was p similar).
You call me braindead, but I don't think you understand how site takes work. I will repeat. They are not made up on the spot. Victor barely ever will decide where he's blast packing to, or neon walling to, this is planned and orchestrated. He is simply another tool in the massive operation of OPTIC. And yeah, as long as he entries and dies yet creates enough space for the site to be taken with minimal casualties, which he usually does then yes, he did good. That's not having big impact though, that just shows they've planned/orchestrated it well (or either the enemy team are trolling XD).
You're right, if your duelist dies on attack it is not good. Again, this doesn't affect their impact. The only reason it is not good is because it is a duelist and their util is key for taking sites. It's not about getting kills. Victor isn't some master at staying alive and in fact he dies a bit more often than he really should be.
VGG [#46]nobody care what you have to say because you are a nobody
Tenz asuna are Pros and TacticalRab also agrees with them
I trust Them more than some wannabe from VLR
you call him a nobody but you just sound like some mad fanboy LMAO. Idk who tactical rab is. Sure, follow the herd of twitch streamers and don't use your brain and only listen to what others tell you, that'll get you far in life.
h9zard [#21]Bro he just meant that yay is a constant for Optic so its not a question of whether he does well or not. Victor is usually the player entrying and if he is able to get kills while doing so then Optic is gonna win more rounds. Its nit that deep. And yes yay is not playing risky even when he is, because of Chamber tp.
This just isn't true. Most of OPTIC's losses are pretty easy to explain. Ascent yesterday was a prime example and a map they consistently make stupid mistakes on. Their executes, ideas, and often midrounding is impeccable, which is why they often win, not because Victor got a kill after getting onto a site LMAO. They lost Ascent yesterday due to some stupid plays (yes some by Victor) but frankly the calls were a lil off, FNS randomly peeking heaven post plant 12-11, 4v2 was really quite upsetting and this kept happening. All in all this has nothing to do with Victor and I think you need to stop listening to Tenz so much and think for yourself.
wiki [#50]you call him a nobody but you just sound like some mad fanboy LMAO. Idk who tactical rab is. Sure, follow the herd of twitch streamers and don't use your brain and only listen to what others tell you, that'll get you far in life.
Tenz and asuna are pros
tactical rab runs two successful channels about fps
what qualifications do VLR users have ?
It's funny how people who are gold/platinum think they know Valorant better than real pros lol
VGG [#52]Tenz and asuna are pros
tactical rab runs two successful channels about fpswhat qualifications do VLR users have ?
It's funny how people who are gold/platinum think they know Valorant better than real pros lol
Well I mean you can keep saying that but many analysts come from backgrounds such as these. I mean that has happened quite a lot, especially in the beginning valorant pros haven't really played insanely "smart", obviously that's improved but its nowhere near the same. What makes pros pros is usually their insane mechanics, quick thinking and gamesense rather than actually being intellectual.
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