Why MAKO is best controller.

Not related to the fracture game, i was just reading some thread and some ppl were debating

Marved isnt really the #1 smokes player. I think Marved just has god aim, but the controller part is still around average.
MakO is a smoke criminal tho and has extremely good utility
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MakO is #1 CONTROLLER
NATS is #1 SENTINEL
LEO/SHAO is #1 INIATOR
HARD TO CHOOSE who is #1 DUELIST

SAYF/YAY is #1 CHAMBER (chamber gets his own category)

Marved god aim in Reykjavik. Now? Laughable aim. Not top 10 player in my book.

eu fans try not to compare barely tier 1 shitters to yay challenge

traviswheeler [#3]

eu fans try not to compare barely tier 1 shitters to yay challenge

pls know what ur talking about before talking

even some na fans like sheahhhh know how good sayf is

u can watch gld vs optic and some other sayf chamber gameplay if u want (to see how good sayf's chamber is)

ardiis/cryo better than sayf

pANcada is laughing rn. BUT. MaKo is pretty good, top2 controller in champions, for sure. The guy is very impactfull.

Pancada plays soccer

pANcada is the best controller right now. Mako is the second.

traviswheeler [#3]

eu fans try not to compare barely tier 1 shitters to yay challenge

https://www.vlr.gg/112282/optic-gaming-vs-guild-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-opening-a/?game=90553&tab=overview

overall better (from what we've seen): yay
head to head (from what we've seen): sayf

as easy as that

pitchfork [#5]

ardiis/cryo better than sayf

Nah

U havent watched sayf
only reason gld lost lcq is because they had a sub, and only 1 day of prac with that sub. this is due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild

sentinelmain377 [#4]

pls know what ur talking about before talking

even some na fans like sheahhhh know how good sayf is

u can watch gld vs optic and some other sayf chamber gameplay if u want (to see how good sayf's chamber is)

i was half trolling but there is no way a sane person thinks he’s on the same level as yay or even better than him, idk why you meant sheahhh and expect that to make me change my mind, you are high on copium if you think he’s on yay level- one of the most if not the most accomplished player in val so far

sentinelmain377 [#10]

Nah

U havent watched sayf
only reason gld lost lcq is because they had a sub, and only 1 day of prac with that sub. this is due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild

due to guild making a braindead decision

minte [#9]

https://www.vlr.gg/112282/optic-gaming-vs-guild-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-opening-a/?game=90553&tab=overview

overall better (from what we've seen): yay
head to head (from what we've seen): sayf

as easy as that

optic placed third that tournament, how bout guild?

traviswheeler [#3]

eu fans try not to compare barely tier 1 shitters to yay challenge

Sayf made yay his dog

traviswheeler [#13]

optic placed third that tournament, how bout guild?

did you even read what i said

sentinelmain377 [#10]

Nah

U havent watched sayf
only reason gld lost lcq is because they had a sub, and only 1 day of prac with that sub. this is due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild

ok dude whatever makes u happy

minte [#15]

did you even read what i said

i didn’t see the second part till after i post my b, but they have only ever had 1 series against each other so even then too soon to give sayf the head to head

Darklox [#8]

pANcada is the best controller right now. Mako is the second.

pancada is underrated a lot
a lot of kills and more than 35% hs
more consistent player of the year imo

nutab1e [#12]

due to guild making a braindead decision

bro
how is an org's decision deciding how good a player is

so fkn irrelevant
stick to the topic pls

traviswheeler [#17]

i didn’t see the second part till after i post my b, but they have only ever had 1 series against each other so even then too soon to give sayf the head to head

all g

minte [#9]

https://www.vlr.gg/112282/optic-gaming-vs-guild-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-opening-a/?game=90553&tab=overview

overall better (from what we've seen): yay
head to head (from what we've seen): sayf

as easy as that

So what, doing better in 1 match is enough to make you better than another player? It doesn’t work like that bro otherwise pancada and less are the best controllers and sentinels in this tournament

brdreamer [#7]

Pancada plays soccer

LOL

sentinelmain377 [#19]

bro
how is an org's decision deciding how good a player is

so fkn irrelevant
stick to the topic pls

yeah a player from b1g (t2 team never done anything btw) would've propeled them to a championship you gotta be braindead

sayf the goat tho not his fault

traviswheeler [#13]

optic placed third that tournament, how bout guild?

Guild only lost to PRX and FPX
OPTC only lost to PRX and FPX

they are kinda equal
but guild beat optic

soooo

STFU DUM
OPTIC ONLY BEAT (the shit looking XSET and DRX that were just an average team) to get third

lorenzopajaroFC [#21]

So what, doing better in 1 match is enough to make you better than another player? It doesn’t work like that bro otherwise pancada and less are the best controllers and sentinels in this tournament

overall better (from what we've seen): yay
head to head (from what we've seen): sayf

? Pancada > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >

sentinelmain377 [#24]

Guild only lost to PRX and FPX
OPTC only lost to PRX and FPX

they are kinda equal
but guild beat optic

soooo

STFU DUM
OPTIC ONLY BEAT (the shit looking XSET and DRX that were just an average team) to get third

notable:

knocked to lowers after overtime against PRX (2nd place)
eliminated 1-2 against FPX (1st place), with the important map being an 11-13 loss :)

both of these things happening after 2-0 group A

lorenzopajaroFC [#21]

So what, doing better in 1 match is enough to make you better than another player? It doesn’t work like that bro otherwise pancada and less are the best controllers and sentinels in this tournament

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

thas not what its about
minte was just providing stats

look at sayf's stats in his recent tournies

the guy is crazy. but since guild had a sub, they couldnt qualify in lcq

sentinelmain377 [#28]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

thas not what its about
minte was just providing stats

look at sayf's stats in his recent tournies

the guy is crazy. but since guild had a sub, they couldnt qualify in lcq

STATS

1. Mako: best utility and trading
2. Pancada: best fragging/aim
3. Marved: clutch gene

minte [#25]

overall better (from what we've seen): yay
head to head (from what we've seen): sayf

EMEA try not to take arguments out of their ass just to cope and think their players are actually good, what has sayf ever achieved to make him comparable to yay?

P.s. HEAD TO HEAD IN ONE MATCH DONT MEAN SHIT

minte [#27]

notable:

knocked to lowers after overtime against PRX (2nd place)
eliminated 1-2 against FPX (1st place), with the important map being an 11-13 loss :)

both of these things happening after 2-0 group A

IKR

like srsly these dumbfks dont know what they are talking about
just bring some random shit up

2nd best

sentinelmain377 [#28]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

thas not what its about
minte was just providing stats

look at sayf's stats in his recent tournies

the guy is crazy. but since guild had a sub, they couldnt qualify in lcq

I think you’re the one not getting what this is about, it’s not a discussion about sayf being good, it’s one over if he’s AS GOOD as yay

lorenzopajaroFC [#31]

EMEA try not to take arguments out of their ass just to cope and think their players are actually good, what has sayf ever achieved to make him comparable to yay?

P.s. HEAD TO HEAD IN ONE MATCH DONT MEAN SHIT

Listen

imagine ANDBOX YAY and the other SHIT ANDBOX players was a thing

would that mean yay is not a good player cuz he doesnt have achievements with a shit team

same thing for sayf
his team had a sub in lcq

what is so hard to understand bruh?

sentinelmain377 [#35]

Listen

imagine ANDBOX YAY and the other SHIT ANDBOX players was a thing

would that mean yay is not a good player cuz he doesnt have achievements with a shit team

same thing for sayf
his team had a sub in lcq

what is so hard to understand bruh?

That USA flag got me confused, just realized you’re from EMEA so yeah nothing’s gonna change your opinion

nutab1e [#23]

yeah a player from b1g (t2 team never done anything btw) would've propeled them to a championship you gotta be braindead

sayf the goat tho not his fault

BRO
WHEN DID I SAY THAT HE WOULD TAKE EM TO CHAMPS????

a sub is a sub bro
obv they prob wouldnt have made champs even with twisten
obv they need the full roster

lorenzopajaroFC [#36]

That USA flag got me confused, just realized you’re from EMEA so yeah nothing’s gonna change your opinion

Im actually from NA
just an emea valorant fan
anything wrong with that????

traviswheeler [#13]

optic placed third that tournament, how bout guild?

Guild lost to the same teams optic did but had to play them earlier

sentinelmain377 [#38]

Im actually from NA
just an emea valorant fan
anything wrong with that????

Yes.

sentinelmain377 [#37]

BRO
WHEN DID I SAY THAT HE WOULD TAKE EM TO CHAMPS????

a sub is a sub bro
obv they prob wouldnt have made champs even with twisten
obv they need the full roster

this is due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild

all good a misunderstanding then

lorenzopajaroFC [#40]

Yes.

what is??

i literally just like emea in valorant more?

traviswheeler [#13]

optic placed third that tournament, how bout guild?

GUILD lost to the exact same teams OPTC did, PRX and FPX

nutab1e [#41]

this is due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild

all good a misunderstanding then

"they had a sub, and only 1 day of prac with that sub. this is due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild"

they had a sub(YACINE), and only 1 day of prac with that sub(YACINE), due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild (while twisten was praccing with them for some time)

KaiserXV [#39]

Guild lost to the same teams optic did but had to play them earlier

SMART

sentinelmain377 [#4]

pls know what ur talking about before talking

even some na fans like sheahhhh know how good sayf is

u can watch gld vs optic and some other sayf chamber gameplay if u want (to see how good sayf's chamber is)

ok he is really good but how can you compare him to yay. its just theory. If youre gonna say gld vs optic then all of gld are better than yay by that logic. sayf could be insane but he hasnt done anything worth comparing to yay.

Mortadelo [#43]

GUILD lost to the exact same teams OPTC did, PRX and FPX

YOU ALSO USE UR FKN BRAIN

VERY SMART PPL IM SEEING HERE FINALLY

sentinelmain377 [#44]

"they had a sub, and only 1 day of prac with that sub. this is due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild"

they had a sub(YACINE), and only 1 day of prac with that sub(YACINE), due to twisten not being allowed to sub in for guild (while twisten was praccing with them for some time)

only reason gld lost lcq

yeah I just connected it to the beginning of the sentence instead of the later part

h9zard [#46]

ok he is really good but how can you compare him to yay. its just theory. If youre gonna say gld vs optic then all of gld are better than yay by that logic. sayf could be insane but he hasnt done anything worth comparing to yay.

sorry. I think I made it a little hard to understand that.
i meant to watch gld vs optic to see how good sayf is as chamber
you can also watch other sayf chamber gameplay and see how good this guy is

yay not compareable to anyone on bs agent

sentinelmain377 [#49]

sorry. I think I made it a little hard to understand that.
i meant to watch gld vs optic to see how good sayf is as chamber
you can also watch other sayf chamber gameplay and see how good this guy is

Still avoiding the topic

Answer with a yes or no, is sayf better than yay?

sentinelmain377 [#49]

sorry. I think I made it a little hard to understand that.
i meant to watch gld vs optic to see how good sayf is as chamber
you can also watch other sayf chamber gameplay and see how good this guy is

ok sure but my point still stands. you cant compare him to yay or call him the best chamber when yay exists.

lorenzopajaroFC [#51]

Still avoiding the topic

Answer with a yes or no, is sayf better than yay?

i put them equal

thas why it says "sayf/yay"

sentinelmain377 [#47]

YOU ALSO USE UR FKN BRAIN

VERY SMART PPL IM SEEING HERE FINALLY

Oh dude, I’ve always said, that GUILD roster deserves wayyyyy more, I’m 100% sure they would have won LCQ of RIOT allowed them to bring Twisten in

sentinelmain377 [#53]

i put them equal

thas why it says "sayf/yay"

bro thats what im saying theyre not even close to being equal

h9zard [#52]

ok sure but my point still stands. you cant compare him to yay or call him the best chamber when yay exists.

pretend sayf was on optic and yay was on guild

guild has a sub and they dont come to champs cuz of it

and sayf is gaining all this clout with his chamber

then ppl would say who is yay

Mortadelo [#54]

Oh dude, I’ve always said, that GUILD roster deserves wayyyyy more, I’m 100% sure they would have won LCQ of RIOT allowed them to bring Twisten in

ur the most W vlr user Ive seen in my life alongside minte

h9zard [#55]

bro thats what im saying theyre not even close to being equal

???????????????????????????????????????????????

they are very close in chamber power

YAY just has more clout cuz his team made the events

GUILD couldnt tho cuz guild had a sub in lcq

lorenzopajaroFC [#31]

EMEA try not to take arguments out of their ass just to cope and think their players are actually good, what has sayf ever achieved to make him comparable to yay?

P.s. HEAD TO HEAD IN ONE MATCH DONT MEAN SHIT

Just look at Copenhagen and EMEA LCQ stats alone (Guild 2-2 (vs FPX&PRX) in Masters and 1-3 in LCQ btw). That already shows that he is top Chamber player. I wouldn't say he is better than Yay, but he is pretty close and in my head top 3.

sentinelmain377 [#56]

pretend sayf was on optic and yay was on guild

guild has a sub and they dont come to champs cuz of it

and sayf is gaining all this clout with his chamber

then ppl would say who is yay

ok he is really good but how can you compare him to yay. its just theory.

theory bro theory it hasnt happened. so unless it does there is no way you can compare

h9zard [#60]

ok he is really good but how can you compare him to yay. its just theory.

theory bro theory it hasnt happened. so unless it does there is no way you can compare

ur a sen fan
explains why ur a dum ass

sentinelmain377 [#61]

ur a sen fan
explains why ur a dum ass

nice reply bro very well explained

sentinelmain377 [#57]

ur the most W vlr user Ive seen in my life alongside minte

I wish the players got picked up all together and get Twisten or Zeek or something that roster is perfect, good IGL, superstar level firepower and flexible players. Wet dram is KOI picking them up

h9zard [#62]

nice reply bro very well explained

my ass
SAYF>/= YAY

just wait until sayf and leo can get into a good roster in franchising
be patient

also we still got the m3c gods nats chroni redgar sheydos aight

sentinelmain377 [#64]

my ass
SAYF>/= YAY

just wait until sayf and leo can get into a good roster in franchising
be patient

also we still got the m3c gods nats chroni redgar sheydos aight

ok then

florescent >= sayf , yay or anyone else

just wait until she comes of age and gets into a good roster in franchising
be patient

you see what im sayin

sentinelmain377 [#24]

Guild only lost to PRX and FPX
OPTC only lost to PRX and FPX

they are kinda equal
but guild beat optic

soooo

STFU DUM
OPTIC ONLY BEAT (the shit looking XSET and DRX that were just an average team) to get third

you are high off copium, they qualify to one lan in the whole year, get 2-0ed in playoffs and you comparing them to a team who placed 1st internationally, then 3rd internationally, and now guaranteed to place 2nd internationally with the possibility to be the first ever team to get a second lan win. and they placed second in berlin 2021, they are the BEST team ever at the moment and you are comparing them to guild. crazy.

sentinelmain377 [#58]

???????????????????????????????????????????????

they are very close in chamber power

YAY just has more clout cuz his team made the events

GUILD couldnt tho cuz guild had a sub in lcq

you sir, are high on copium

sentinelmain377 [#58]

???????????????????????????????????????????????

they are very close in chamber power

YAY just has more clout cuz his team made the events

GUILD couldnt tho cuz guild had a sub in lcq

you are actually fucking trolling bro