With the uncertainty regarding the upcoming 2023 season and various rosters, I'm genuinely curious what would a roster between the talent of these 2 teams look like.
M3C is probably going to explode so I'm wondering what a new team with these talents look like, or even with Navi players
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deadSQUAD [#3]i hope navi sign some of m3c players, so the line up would be cloud, nats, sheydos, redgar, jady/chronicle.
navi wouldnt sign russians sadly
VirajKnight [#2]I think Ange1 will retire after this year. Maybe not. If that happens, Redgar can fill in his position.
Why would he retire?
Realistically you would need to make a mixture of nAts, Sheydos, Redgar, Chronicle, Cloud, 7ssk7 and Jady.
Redgar would be must for IGL
nAts would be must for sentinel
but rest is kind of hard. I guess it would have to be nAts, Redgar, Sheydos, Chronicle and 7ssk7, but Cloud is insane as well. And Jady with some time could be really good as well.
kbkdark [#6]32yo (He are going to complete 33yo during Champions)
He started to compete in a whole new game when he was 31 what makes you think the simple fact that he is 33 is gonna make him retire
patuj [#7]Realistically you would need to make a mixture of nAts, Sheydos, Redgar, Chronicle, Cloud, 7ssk7 and Jady.
Redgar would be must for IGL
nAts would be must for sentinel
but rest is kind of hard. I guess it would have to be nAts, Redgar, Sheydos, Chronicle and 7ssk7, but Cloud is insane as well. And Jady with some time could be really good as well.
Why is Nats a must fro sentinel, Suygetsu’s form
rn it’s just as good if not better
Shao and Chronicle are the only musts imo
Mortadelo [#10]Why is Nats a must fro sentinel, Suygetsu’s form
rn it’s just as good if not betterShao and Chronicle are the only musts imo
yeah but he is on FPX like Shao and aren't going anywhere
raynexo [#8]so?
he's kinda old to an esports pro player (He was the oldest one in the last Masters, FNS was the second being 30yo)
Some researches about pro players career longevity says that: "The general statistics say that the average professional player ends his career at the age of 25. If you compare this to classic sports or normal working life, this is an incredibly young age."
BUT, he can be in competitive scene as long as he want too, since he feels ok about it... I'm not saying that he NEEDS to retire, just giving some information
Mortadelo [#9]He started to compete in a whole new game when he was 31 what makes you think the simple fact that he is 33 is gonna make him retire
#12
Chronicle and Shao are a must
Then we’ve got Nats/Suygetsu for the Sentinel repel and I really don’t know who to choose here, if we are talking about current form then definitely Suygetsu. It also depends on if we are allowed to let the players learn new roles cause if yes this are the two players with the biggest raw talent with Chronicle and Shao. So if role changes are allowed I would keep Nats on sentinel and have Suygetsu flex cause his aim is better
Redgar/ Ange1 IGL I really don’t know who is better tbh. Similar case than Suygetsu and Nats
And then for the fourth/ fifth (Depending if we want Suygetsu and nats both or not) I think judging by current form it has to be Sheydos and/or Cloud who are really really underrated imo and have a really nice future ahead of them if their English is good which I don’t really know
patuj [#11]yeah but he is on FPX like Shao and aren't going anywhere
That’s if FPX makes franchising which you can’t really know yet
kbkdark [#13]#12
He is IGL tho, his job is not to kill, enough beats in his team. Plus with Franchising coming in and being at the top tier of global competition like he is rn there is no way he retires unless he is forced to because something like war or something idk
kbkdark [#12]he's kinda old to an esports pro player (He was the oldest one in the last Masters, FNS was the second being 30yo)
Some researches about pro players career longevity says that: "The general statistics say that the average professional player ends his career at the age of 25. If you compare this to classic sports or normal working life, this is an incredibly young age."
BUT, he can be in competitive scene as long as he want too, since he feels ok about it... I'm not saying that he NEEDS to retire, just giving some information
Oh, no! Not 33! How will he sit on a chair, move his mouse, and click some buttons. Way too boomer for that.
Come, on, yo. This isn't 2005. We should all know by now that playing esports like CS and Valorant isn't about reaction speeds (which don't even substantially drop off until you're in your 50s anyway). Crosshair placement and gamesense don't ever really leave you as long as you're playing consistently. Angel can play for years yet if he wants to.
heavnsent [#18]Oh, no! Not 33! How will he sit on a chair, move his mouse, and click some buttons. Way too boomer for that.
Come, on, yo. This isn't 2005. We should all know by now that playing esports like CS and Valorant isn't about reaction speeds (which don't even substantially drop off until you're in your 50s anyway). Crosshair placement and gamesense don't ever really leave you as long as you're playing consistently. Angel can play for years yet if he wants to.
true I think it's more psychological. As time goes on you are more likely to hit a slump, maybe you get benched. And at that stage of life, do you really have the mentality and resilience to grind back to the top? I wouldn't be able to at that age, but as long as you're in a good environment you can keep going I think.
Mortadelo [#15]That’s if FPX makes franchising which you can’t really know yet
I mean yeah that is possibility, but I believe pretty strongly that they will make it. And if they didn't make it I feel like this team would almost certainly be picked up as whole unless they perform badly in Champions. Like people talk about M3C picked up as whole, but FPX Stage 1 EMEA winner, Masters 2 winner and now going to Champions.
Colevalorant [#4]navi wouldnt sign russians sadly
Duno/Cloud/dinkzj Most of their roster is russian
heavnsent [#18]Oh, no! Not 33! How will he sit on a chair, move his mouse, and click some buttons. Way too boomer for that.
Come, on, yo. This isn't 2005. We should all know by now that playing esports like CS and Valorant isn't about reaction speeds (which don't even substantially drop off until you're in your 50s anyway). Crosshair placement and gamesense don't ever really leave you as long as you're playing consistently. Angel can play for years yet if he wants to.
ultra mega power blaster giga Bruh moment... Read it again man
I said that for the AVERAGE AGE of the pro players today (including they retirement age choice), he's old and it's not my pov, it comes from a research in pro scene ANALYSIS...
Never said that he NEED to retire just because he's 33, or that his abilities are worse cause of his age, I'm just giving a reason to him retire IF HE WANTS TO, as I said:
he can be in competitive scene as long as he want too, since he feels ok about it
I watched an podcast yesterday with a BR cs1.6 legend called cogu, he said that he stopped to play cuz he had a child, after that and his priorities changed (after having a baby, he still played a little bit more until retire at 33yo)... ANGE1 maybe could want to be more time with his family since his home country is involved in a war (sadly), it's a possibility of his choice of retirement
Mortadelo [#17]He is IGL tho, his job is not to kill, enough beats in his team. Plus with Franchising coming in and being at the top tier of global competition like he is rn there is no way he retires unless he is forced to because something like war or something idk
I know that... I explained better my thoughts about it in #22
kbkdark [#12]he's kinda old to an esports pro player (He was the oldest one in the last Masters, FNS was the second being 30yo)
Some researches about pro players career longevity says that: "The general statistics say that the average professional player ends his career at the age of 25. If you compare this to classic sports or normal working life, this is an incredibly young age."
BUT, he can be in competitive scene as long as he want too, since he feels ok about it... I'm not saying that he NEEDS to retire, just giving some information
how does this matter ? will he be disabled the day he hits 33 ?
nothing will change, he can retire if he has no passion / time for the game anymore
ValulrantLUL [#25]how does this matter ? will he be disabled the day he hits 33 ?
nothing will change, he can retire if he has no passion / time for the game anymore
#22
kbkdark [#23]I know that... I explained better my thoughts about it in #22
Just ignore them lol this site is full of braindead 0 iq kids who cant even read
Mortadelo [#16]Also don’t forget about Trexx who is also available or some tier 2 talent like Vokashu, chiwawa etc
Isn't vokashu toxic af?
nutab1e [#19]true I think it's more psychological. As time goes on you are more likely to hit a slump, maybe you get benched. And at that stage of life, do you really have the mentality and resilience to grind back to the top? I wouldn't be able to at that age, but as long as you're in a good environment you can keep going I think.
Yup... Look what's happening with f0rest, olofmeister, fnx, freiberg, etc
f0rest: 34yo - F/A for the first time in his career
olofmeister: 30yo - Benched in FaZe since January
fnx: 32yo - Retired and started to coach Imperial
friberg: 30yo - No one is looking to sign him in
kbkdark [#12]he's kinda old to an esports pro player (He was the oldest one in the last Masters, FNS was the second being 30yo)
Some researches about pro players career longevity says that: "The general statistics say that the average professional player ends his career at the age of 25. If you compare this to classic sports or normal working life, this is an incredibly young age."
BUT, he can be in competitive scene as long as he want too, since he feels ok about it... I'm not saying that he NEEDS to retire, just giving some information
oh my god a 33 year old still playing at the highest level and IGL-ing his team to win a LAN and winning his own region too (stage 1)?
Holy shit he needs to retire instantly, he's basically a fossile, why would he continue playing when he's still a top tier 1 IGL ???
quick , quick!! retire before you reach the old decrepit, parkisons disease age of... OMG!! 34 !! so old man alrdy a foot in the grave.
Colevalorant [#4]navi wouldnt sign russians sadly
more than half their roster is russian wtf ? XD ?
Moiraine [#30]oh my god a 33 year old still playing at the highest level and IGL-ing his team to win a LAN and winning his own region too (stage 1)?
Holy shit he needs to retire instantly, he's basically a fossile, why would he continue playing when he's still a top tier 1 IGL ???
quick , quick!! retire before you reach the old decrepit, parkisons disease age of... OMG!! 34 !! so old man alrdy a foot in the grave.
Read #22 Moronine
Valgod [#28]Isn't vokashu toxic af?
I’ve heard people say it but I’ve never really known why, idk if it’s just mouth to mouth or what. Don’t have the reputation in the Spanish league or being toxic either, really respected so idk could be Ig
VirajKnight [#2]I think Ange1 will retire after this year. Maybe not. If that happens, Redgar can fill in his position.
he isnt. ange1 confirmed on twitter he still gonna play til late 30s or early 40s
he said around 7 more years
sentinelmain377 [#36]he isnt. ange1 confirmed on twitter he still gonna play til late 30s or early 40s
he said around 7 more years
Great news ❤
Really nice guy and awsome IGL
Mortadelo [#33]I’ve heard people say it but I’ve never really known why, idk if it’s just mouth to mouth or what. Don’t have the reputation in the Spanish league or being toxic either, really respected so idk could be Ig
Idk i just saw recently that he told someone to kill himself in a ranked game
kbkdark [#32]Read #22 Moronine
I had alrdy read it when i typed what i typed
His comments are supremely stupid and the logic is completely backwards.
0/8 for the pun with my name tho, i'm sure you can find 2 braincells to rub together to come up with something better. Gl in your endeavour < 3
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