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Never_Wrong [#5]I mean why not
I mean if they pull the wallet Kolda is gonna want to play with Mix so could be. Still not very likely xD
Mbappe [#3]KOI would be dumb not to get him if he is free. Perfect fit for Spanish content org
Yeah the problem is that he is not free lol, Ocelote not gonna let him go like that, it's way more beneficial to keep him benched as Content creator
Mortadelo [#4]Yeah the problem is that he is not free lol, Ocelote not gonna let him go like that, it's way more beneficial to keep him benched as Content creator
I don't think he's producing any value for G2 as a streamer. Besides, they don't really need those
ocelote himself has already stated keeping players on payroll is way more expensive than just letting them go, but he only does it to stay true to his ethics (something players should commit to as well since they're signing a contract)
he's definitely in talks with other orgs, he's getting picked up plus his G2 contract must be running out soon
Never_Wrong [#7]I don't think he's producing any value for G2 as a streamer. Besides, they don't really need those
ocelote himself has already stated keeping players on payroll is way more expensive than just letting them go, but he only does it to stay true to his ethics (something players should commit to as well since they're signing a contract)
he's definitely in talks with other orgs, he's getting picked up plus his G2 contract must be running out soon
G2 doesn't gift players like that and less to direct competition. And yes Mixwell as Content Creator would be the reason why most Spanish people would keep supporting them
Mortadelo [#8]G2 doesn't gift players like that and less to direct competition. And yes Mixwell as Content Creator would be the reason why most Spanish people would keep supporting them
Yeah but the question is does G2 really need to keep him for "content creation", because they've made it clear they don't
The last (and only) big content creator they've signed was Ibai in 2020. All their streamers are G2 proplayers streaming in their free time
G2 finds another player
Builds up his brand
Creates a following around him
Player eventually leaves
Repeat
Why'd they ever focus on someone's fanbase lol
Never_Wrong [#9]Yeah but the question is does G2 really need to keep him for "content creation", because they've made it clear they don't
The last (and only) big content creator they've signed was Ibai in 2020. All their streamers are G2 proplayers streaming in their free time
G2 finds another player
Builds up his brand
Creates a following around him
Player eventually leaves
RepeatWhy'd they ever focus on someone's fanbase lol
Has G2 ever let a player go free?
They even had pyth for a year on the bench
Mortadelo [#10]Has G2 ever let a player go free?
They even had pyth for a year on the bench
Idk, but why'd they do that anyways
Btw it's either KOI or Giants. Forgot about them
Never_Wrong [#13]Idk, but why'd they do that anyways
Btw it's either KOI or Giants. Forgot about them
Heretics has more options imo, but yeah idk why G2 does this but it's pretty clear that's what they do, look at KennyS too. Idk how long is Mixwell's contract but KOI is gonna have to pull the wallet
Mortadelo [#16]Heretics has more options imo, but yeah idk why G2 does this but it's pretty clear that's what they do, look at KennyS too. Idk how long is Mixwell's contract but KOI is gonna have to pull the wallet
Why'd anyone cash out in kennyS. CS:GO market is completely different. You'll find cracked and better awpers around every corner
"KOI is gonna have to pull the wallet"
That's how it should be my bro
Never_Wrong [#29]Why'd anyone cash out in kennyS. CS:GO market is completely different. You'll find cracked and better awpers around every corner
"KOI is gonna have to pull the wallet"
That's how it should be my bro
You're not getting my point
Mortadelo [#10]Has G2 ever let a player go free?
They even had pyth for a year on the bench
They let Koldamenta go free. He had no buyout nor contract expired. Carlos confirmed it
VirajKnight [#19]They let Koldamenta go free. He had no buyout nor contract expired. Carlos confirmed it
They swapped him for Zeek dude, that's not free
Mortadelo [#21]They swapped him for Zeek dude, that's not free
WHat? I said Carlos said he let Koldamenta go to Guild for free. Don't know if it is true or not.
VirajKnight [#22]WHat? I said Carlos said he let Koldamenta go to Guild for free. Don't know if it is true or not.
Oh mb I got the transaction switched. Yeah did he say that? I'm surprised I would think GUILD had payed for it, but if it's true then yeah
VirajKnight [#19]They let Koldamenta go free. He had no buyout nor contract expired. Carlos confirmed it
Didn't know this. Thanks
Never_Wrong [#9]Yeah but the question is does G2 really need to keep him for "content creation", because they've made it clear they don't
The last (and only) big content creator they've signed was Ibai in 2020. All their streamers are G2 proplayers streaming in their free time
G2 finds another player
Builds up his brand
Creates a following around him
Player eventually leaves
RepeatWhy'd they ever focus on someone's fanbase lol
What about Lothar? What else does he do in G2 than stream?
SOSEN-VIRAL [#50]What about Lothar? What else does he do in G2 than stream?
Afaik Lothar was a Fn and Hearthstone proplayer too. He's not a "big" content creator
been in G2 since 2016 or some shit
Never_Wrong [#7]I don't think he's producing any value for G2 as a streamer. Besides, they don't really need those
ocelote himself has already stated keeping players on payroll is way more expensive than just letting them go, but he only does it to stay true to his ethics (something players should commit to as well since they're signing a contract)
he's definitely in talks with other orgs, he's getting picked up plus his G2 contract must be running out soon
You’re clueless. Mixwell produces a ton of value. Literally top10 most tweeted about esports player in the last 2 years. He has a huge spanish fanbase and Carlos knows that. They’ve been keeping KennyS on the bench for the last 2 years because of the same reason.
Victorie [#11]You’re clueless. Mixwell produces a ton of value. Literally top10 most tweeted about esports player in the last 2 years. He has a huge spanish fanbase and Carlos knows that. They’ve been keeping KennyS on the bench for the last 2 years because of the same reason.
You forgot the part where G2 doesn't give a fuck about any of that?
"Carlos knows that... KennyS on the bench because of the same reason" lmfao why you talking out of your ass. G2 wants to get rid of Mixwell ASAP
The only reason kennyS is on the bench is because no team is interested in him. Simple
Trying to portray G2 as some kind of streamers' org when kennyS started focusing on Twitch way after getting benched lmao
Never_Wrong [#14]You forgot the part where G2 doesn't give a fuck about any of that?
"Carlos knows that... KennyS on the bench because of the same reason" lmfao why you talking out of your ass. G2 wants to get rid of Mixwell ASAPThe only reason kennyS is on the bench is because no team is interested in him. Simple
Trying to portray G2 as some kind of streamers' org when kennyS started focusing on Twitch way after getting benched lmao
You’re stupid and trying to educate you is pointless. Goodbye now.
Victorie [#15]You’re stupid and trying to educate you is pointless. Goodbye now.
Btw kennyS kept playing up until 2021
"You’re stupid and trying to educate you is pointless."
Accurate self-description. You can leave it here before embarrassing yourself any further
Never_Wrong [#14]You forgot the part where G2 doesn't give a fuck about any of that?
"Carlos knows that... KennyS on the bench because of the same reason" lmfao why you talking out of your ass. G2 wants to get rid of Mixwell ASAPThe only reason kennyS is on the bench is because no team is interested in him. Simple
Trying to portray G2 as some kind of streamers' org when kennyS started focusing on Twitch way after getting benched lmao
Ofc there are teams interested in KennyS, just not interested in paying the huge buyout he has dude. We're not saying they keep them to be streamers, they keep them because they wanna keep making money out of them by selling them, streaming it's more a consequence
Mortadelo [#18]Ofc there are teams interested in KennyS, just not interested in paying the huge buyout he has dude. We're not saying they keep them to be streamers, they keep them because they wanna keep making money out of them by selling them, streaming it's more a consequence
"because they wanna keep making money out of them by selling them"
-Orgs have to make money so they keep sustaining players, we can keep discussing this esports shithousery and so on, among other reasons.
-Players also want money, that's why they SIGN a contract they're obligated to fulfill, under their own responsibilities.
-Orgs don't want to pay kennyS' - massively reducted buyout% over the years, (he's basically free?) dk where you getting this "big" label from - because neither kennyS nor the org are profitting from it.
"streaming it's more a consequence"
Again, what makes you think Mixwell streaming twice a week with a barely noticeable G2 logo somewhat compensates his 30k monthly-salary, missing out on players, wasting time and winning 0 trophies?
Never_Wrong [#23]"because they wanna keep making money out of them by selling them"
-Orgs have to make money so they keep sustaining players, we can keep discussing this esports shithousery and so on, among other reasons.
-Players also want money, that's why they SIGN a contract they're obligated to fulfill, under their own responsibilities.
-Orgs don't want to pay kennyS' - massively reducted buyout% over the years, (he's basically free?) dk where you getting this "big" label from - because neither kennyS nor the org are profitting from it.
"streaming it's more a consequence"
Again, what makes you think Mixwell streaming twice a week with a barely noticeable G2 logo somewhat compensates his 30k monthly-salary, missing out on players, wasting time and winning 0 trophies?
I don't think you understand how the world works my friend
"Orgs don't want to pay kennyS' - massively reduced buyout% over the years, dk where you getting this "big" label from - because neither kennyS nor the org are profiting from it."
Why don't they fucking release him if what you are saying it's true, I can guarantee you that KennyS is not asking for the money in his contract cause he just wants to fucking go, G2 won't let that happen un til his contract it's over or someone buys him, it's literally a fact dude.
"Again, what makes you think Mixwell streaming twice a week with a barely noticeable G2 logo somewhat compensates his 30k monthly-salary, missing out on players, wasting time and winning 0 trophies?"
Because a fucking business doesn't care about what the players wanna do with their fucking careers, they want what's best for the business, and yes that is keeping the player knowing you can sell him for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yes, Mixwell it's a top 10 players in esports with more interactions and yes that can be sold to sponsors dude, it's how world works
Mortadelo [#28]I don't think you understand how the world works my friend
"Orgs don't want to pay kennyS' - massively reduced buyout% over the years, dk where you getting this "big" label from - because neither kennyS nor the org are profiting from it."
Why don't they fucking release him if what you are saying it's true, I can guarantee you that KennyS is not asking for the money in his contract cause he just wants to fucking go, G2 won't let that happen un til his contract it's over or someone buys him, it's literally a fact dude.
"Again, what makes you think Mixwell streaming twice a week with a barely noticeable G2 logo somewhat compensates his 30k monthly-salary, missing out on players, wasting time and winning 0 trophies?"
Because a fucking business doesn't care about what the players wanna do with their fucking careers, they want what's best for the business, and yes that is keeping the player knowing you can sell him for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yes, Mixwell it's a top 10 players in esports with more interactions and yes that can be sold to sponsors dude, it's how world works
Bro how are you so guillible and what's this overly simplistic view...
Why don't they fucking release him if what you are saying it's true
What?
I can guarantee you that KennyS is not asking for the money in his contract cause he just wants to fucking go, G2 won't let that happen un til his contract it's over or someone buys him, it's literally a fact dude.
Alright kennyS manager.
Why are you conveniently ignoring the part where:
Imagine you're in a private meeting with a CEO paying you 50k monthly after buying you out for 300k, he says you're gonna play for the team for 1 and a half years, you discuss terms and conditions and you AGREE (by signing a contract)a
Now imagine something goes wrong 2 months later and you wish to step down.
Why should your pussy ass irresponsibility prevail over your GIVEN WORD and be the cause of greater losses just because you feel like it and you decided to violate the set terms and conditions you didn't comply at all?
You sure you understand how the real world works?
Never_Wrong [#32]Bro how are you so guillible and what's this overly simplistic view...
Why don't they fucking release him if what you are saying it's true
What?
I can guarantee you that KennyS is not asking for the money in his contract cause he just wants to fucking go, G2 won't let that happen un til his contract it's over or someone buys him, it's literally a fact dude.
Alright kennyS manager.
Why are you conveniently ignoring the part where:
- There's nothing wrong with that
- kennyS has turned down offers from teams approaching him. This is old news
- kennyS is no longer interested in competing and he'd rather be a G2 streamer with option to renewal?
Imagine you're in a private meeting with a CEO paying you 50k monthly after buying you out for 300k, he says you're gonna play for the team for 1 and a half years, you discuss terms and conditions and you AGREE (by signing a contract)a
Now imagine something goes wrong 2 months later and you wish to step down.
Why should your pussy ass irresponsibility prevail over your GIVEN WORD and be the cause of greater losses just because you feel like it and you decided to violate the set terms and conditions you didn't comply at all?
You sure you understand how the real world works?
Exactly this dude, a contract it's your word, and until that contract expires you have to do what that contract says which is exactly why if no one buys mixwell out he will remain as content creator and behave like a professional
Mortadelo [#28]I don't think you understand how the world works my friend
"Orgs don't want to pay kennyS' - massively reduced buyout% over the years, dk where you getting this "big" label from - because neither kennyS nor the org are profiting from it."
Why don't they fucking release him if what you are saying it's true, I can guarantee you that KennyS is not asking for the money in his contract cause he just wants to fucking go, G2 won't let that happen un til his contract it's over or someone buys him, it's literally a fact dude.
"Again, what makes you think Mixwell streaming twice a week with a barely noticeable G2 logo somewhat compensates his 30k monthly-salary, missing out on players, wasting time and winning 0 trophies?"
Because a fucking business doesn't care about what the players wanna do with their fucking careers, they want what's best for the business, and yes that is keeping the player knowing you can sell him for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yes, Mixwell it's a top 10 players in esports with more interactions and yes that can be sold to sponsors dude, it's how world works
Because a fucking business doesn't care about what the players wanna do with their fucking careers
The only reason players have this careers to begin with is thanks to this business.
I don't get this point or how is it related to what I said.
We should really put this parasocial relationship with pro players aside. They're looking out for their best interest just like any other person out there.
So when a player does it: I'd like him to shag me
When the org providing him everything does it: eww
Regarding the last part, again, you fail to understand G2 doesn't give a fuck about any of those.
It's G2 who we talking about I don't care about other orgs
Mixwell produced 0 (ZERO) value for G2 as of now. How id that hard to understand
Even if he was the most talked-about player with 20million followers, you really think they'd hesitate to kick him out when that doesn't translate into trophies nor does it align with the org's ambitions or philosophy?
Bro
Never_Wrong [#33]Because a fucking business doesn't care about what the players wanna do with their fucking careers
The only reason players have this careers to begin with is thanks to this business.
I don't get this point or how is it related to what I said.We should really put this parasocial relationship with pro players aside. They're looking out for their best interest just like any other person out there.
So when a player does it: I'd like him to shag meWhen the org providing him everything does it: eww
Regarding the last part, again, you fail to understand G2 doesn't give a fuck about any of those.
It's G2 who we talking about I don't care about other orgsMixwell produced 0 (ZERO) value for G2 as of now. How id that hard to understand
Even if he was the most talked-about player with 20million followers, you really think they'd hesitate to kick him out when that doesn't translate into trophies nor does it align with the org's ambitions or philosophy?
Bro
How can you think that a player like mixwell doesn't bring any value????? Ofc G2 wouldn't hesitate to kick him if he is not good enough, but kick him off the TEAM not the org dude, he has a contract and not using it is straight away giving money for free.
And yes that is exactly what I mean when I say a business doesn't care about the players. If no one wants to pay for him G2 is not gonna care if Mixwell really wants to compete, he's still gonna have to fulfill his time there
Mortadelo [#18]Ofc there are teams interested in KennyS, just not interested in paying the huge buyout he has dude. We're not saying they keep them to be streamers, they keep them because they wanna keep making money out of them by selling them, streaming it's more a consequence
Bro Heretics just payed 40M for a LEC spot and we're really acting like a reasonable buyout (negotiations exist for a reason too) is a reason for this teams to pull out cmon...
You either go in or you don't
Never_Wrong [#27]Bro Heretics just payed 40M for a LEC spot and we're really acting like a reasonable buyout (negotiations exist for a reason too) is a reason for this teams to pull out cmon...
You either go in or you don't
You lost me here I don't get what you're saying
Mortadelo [#30]You lost me here I don't get what you're saying
Org's budget is a topic that should be discussed with objective criteria and not under the oneself's perception.
Heretics have paid €40M for a spot in LEC (LoL European Championship), when 8/10 orgs suffer losses
Even regional, academy teams could afford any given player. Let's not act like "buyouts" are some sort of problem with them. That's on the players to begin with
If they believe in the system they're creating and they need a fitting piece, they'll go for it no matter what. They won't beat around the bush
So if [insert player] doesn't get picked up, is because they're not showing interest in him
Never_Wrong [#35]Org's budget is a topic that should be discussed with objective criteria and not under the oneself's perception.
Heretics have paid €40M for a spot in LEC (LoL European Championship), when 8/10 orgs suffer losses
Even regional, academy teams could afford any given player. Let's not act like "buyouts" are some sort of problem with them. That's on the players to begin with
If they believe in the system they're creating and they need a fitting piece, they'll go for it no matter what. They won't beat around the bush
So if [insert player] doesn't get picked up, is because they're not showing interest in him
That's just not true, and again I'm just gonna put a real example, many teams wanted Keloqz right after he was benched but non of them were willing to pay the ridiculous buy-out he had, and it wasn't until when at the end of the market G2 reportedly lowered the buyout to a tenth of what it was before when Heretics paid it, and even after the lowering it was too much for teams like MRS.
So yes, buyouts are a thing, and yes, G2 makes money out of them
no_noise_979 [#39]if any partnered orgs want to sign washed bots only for content then i will actively root against them
sentinals? are you rooting for that?
Rauo1 [#46]Calla ratita
apollas a koi antes que el unico equipo que tiene representación española que puede conseguir algo (de momento)
quieres a mixwell en koi y te burlas de el