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hiimnsk [#7]how can they be top 4 when they dropped out before top 4? logic here is insane
Logic would be because both teams they lost to in CLOSE fashion effortlessly beat the others 2-0 and are 2 of the top 3
CRAZY_CHAINSAW_MAN_FAN [#8]top5 probably more like it
Id say theyre also above 100T, it was just an unusually bad game for them the other day. Also I dont like this excuse when ppl bring it up cause i dont think it affects play that much but p much half the squad was sick on the day. (now that i think about it, maybe thats why shroud looked like he was literally asleep in that game)
Simon_Digger [#10]Logic would be because both teams they lost to in CLOSE fashion effortlessly beat the others 2-0 and are 2 of the top 3
so the statement is based on ifs and buts?
NG1nS [#14]they have to make it to top 4 to be top 4 bruh 🙃
I mean they ended 5-6. And they looked way better than C9. They are only team so far to get a map against the Guard and almost won against them too. So its not a stretch to say they are the 4th best.
Simon_Digger [#11]Yeah, seems likely. I would argue a world where they could have even won the entire thing had they bootcamped with this same roster but sick instead of shroud.
I dont think so. From what weve seen of sick on smokes hes been REALLY bad. Hes throwin so many rounds and i dont know if hes trying to compensate for the firepower or whatever but just based on how hes done on smokes previously ive been majorly disappointed especially on attack halfs. I think Shroud did better on Smokes than Sick did back in stage 2. If they arent able to keep zellsis i would love to see sick back on flex
h9zard [#15]I mean they ended 5-6. And they looked way better than C9. They are only team so far to get a map against the Guard and almost won against them too. So its not a stretch to say they are the 4th best.
yes
NG1nS [#14]they have to make it to top 4 to be top 4 bruh 🙃
true true. Its just like how Loud are actually bottom 12 cause they finished in the bottom 12 and how Xset are top 8 cause they finished top 8.
JustHunter [#18]true true. Its just like how Loud are actually bottom 12 cause they finished in the bottom 12 and how Xset are top 8 cause they finished top 8.
i don't care enough to explain 😂
JustHunter [#16]I dont think so. From what weve seen of sick on smokes hes been REALLY bad. Hes throwin so many rounds and i dont know if hes trying to compensate for the firepower or whatever but just based on how hes done on smokes previously ive been majorly disappointed especially on attack halfs. I think Shroud did better on Smokes than Sick did back in stage 2. If they arent able to keep zellsis i would love to see sick back on flex
That is why I specifically said that if sick also bootcamped. Sick needed practice on smokes, and the bootcamp would have given him all of it
No one can disagree that Sick is a FAR better player than Shroud (not even Shroud's fault tbh, sick is one of the best valo players in general)
Also, I do not think zellsis should go anywhere. He is BY FAR sen's best addition, and fits phenomenally within the team.
h9zard [#15]I mean they ended 5-6. And they looked way better than C9. They are only team so far to get a map against the Guard and almost won against them too. So its not a stretch to say they are the 4th best.
Looking way better doesn't mean shit. If they were top 4 they should have been in the final 4 teams.
hiimnsk [#13]so the statement is based on ifs and buts?
Nah, just basically looking at em. Sen played FAR better than C9 this tourney and how faze played against guard, based on pure match by match basis ofc
Simon_Digger [#22]Nah, just basically looking at em. Sen played FAR better than C9 this tourney and how faze played against guard, based on pure match by match basis ofc
but each matchup is different so how do you just determine that sen would beat the likes of c9?
Simon_Digger [#20]That is why I specifically said that if sick also bootcamped. Sick needed practice on smokes, and the bootcamp would have given him all of it
No one can disagree that Sick is a FAR better player than Shroud (not even Shroud's fault tbh, sick is one of the best valo players in general)
Also, I do not think zellsis should go anywhere. He is BY FAR sen's best addition, and fits phenomenally within the team.
I think shroud revitalized the team though
I mean sick is amazing but shroud gave them a reason to try again