I think they treat esports like an opera house performance while we treat it like a common spectator sport. That’s why the fans are so respectful? Imo I like the hectic mess the other regions give. It’s much more enjoyable.
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HaSanity [#2]Look at the difference in prize pools between NA and JP and the production quality. Plus it’s a LAN instead of a online cafe (hint faze)
How have faze not even given a proper setup to their valo squad after performing lights out to get into knockouts? This was their single important match-up to directly qualify to Copenhagen and they rented an internet cafe? grim
tonyhart7 [#5]NA: power outage third world country with guns
Japan: literal stadium filled to the top with 1st grade production quality make master and champion like local studio
NA/emea prize pool: 200k
JP prize pool: 15k
What a joke
crashhacker1 [#6]How have faze not even given a proper setup to their valo squad after performing lights out to get into knockouts? This was their single important match-up to directly qualify to Copenhagen and they rented an internet cafe? grim
Good luck in franchising faze. Holy shit.
HaSanity [#7]NA/emea prize pool: 200k
JP prize pool: 15kWhat a joke
Don’t take all things to mind! Japanese prize pools for esports can’t be to large because it’s considered disrespectful, Esports in Japan is actually considered Gambling currently :)
CanadianLegend [#9]Don’t take all things to mind! Japanese prize pools for esports can’t be to large because it’s considered disrespectful, Esports in Japan is actually considered Gambling currently :)
Does that mean salaries are higher or is it still considered gambling
HaSanity [#10]Does that mean salaries are higher or is it still considered gambling
I’m unsure about that since it’s technically a job, I just know information of prizepools, but it’s probably different since they also do content etc.
HaSanity [#10]Does that mean salaries are higher or is it still considered gambling
only prizepools are considered gambling, unless the game developer talks to the government to allow it. im sure riot has done that already tho lol
HaSanity [#8]Good luck in franchising faze. Holy shit.
That's why they're not getting in. C9 and 100T are probably the only NA teams with a guarantee.
alice_ [#12]only prizepools are considered gambling, unless the game developer talks to the government to allow it. im sure riot has done that already tho lol
Yea I know in league the salaries are crazy but in comparison the prize pools are lower so it must be something similar to that
alice_ [#12]only prizepools are considered gambling, unless the game developer talks to the government to allow it. im sure riot has done that already tho lol
but they have higher salaries right?
HaSanity [#10]Does that mean salaries are higher or is it still considered gambling
yes they're on par with emea and some na salaries
zardinez [#13]That's why they're not getting in. C9 and 100T are probably the only NA teams with a guarantee.
guard, EG ,Nrg ?
M0K1 [#18]guard, EG ,Nrg ?
I think Guard and EG are likely but not guaranteed by any means. Everyone and their dog is applying for partnership in NA.
HaSanity [#8]Good luck in franchising faze. Holy shit.
https://i.imgur.com/cZjpDdh.jpg Indie org so sad :(
Nah Japanese people are more respectful when it comes to noise. For example, when a foreign singer/artist goes to Japan for a concert, it is uncommon to see Japanese people singing along or making noise for the artist compared to other countries. Some may not like this, but I'd say they're just more careful and respectful
zardinez [#13]That's why they're not getting in. C9 and 100T are probably the only NA teams with a guarantee.
OpTic is 100% a guarantee or people will riot that the best NA team isn't in franchising; they are a pretty big org too.
aironiiii [#25]this is maybe irrelevant but you can see the point.
in Japan there's a wrestling show that have crowds but they forbid the crowd to shouts or making huge noises other than applause, so maybe this rule applies to every crowded events.
Amd that's dumb for esports
aironiiii [#25]this is maybe irrelevant but you can see the point.
in Japan there's a wrestling show that have crowds but they forbid the crowd to shouts or making huge noises other than applause, so maybe this rule applies to every crowded events.
How is that good ? Jesus the amount of people circle jerking about how good Japan is unbelievable
symbols07 [#27]Exactly, saw the one sided bo1 lan match of vrl France karmine corp vs vitality and that was so much more interesting than the japan match , even though japan had better stage better lightings everything. But the fans weren't what i expect, and it just made it look not that good
True, I love how vlr.gg are circle jerking how good it is when it's not. Crowd cheering and hyping up is always a good thing as it makes the game more lively and intense compared to people only clapping on specific occasions and cheering when people ask them to cheer.
firo [#3]japanese are just respectful in general.
How is cheering and hyping out your favorite team not "respectful" ? . Doesn't make sense to me.
4444444444444444 [#29]How is that good ? Jesus the amount of people circle jerking about how good Japan is unbelievable
Oh wow, I cant cheer at an event, it's the end of the world, Japan is bad... I've gotta get off this site, I lose more brain cells every day reading some of these comments.
4444444444444444 [#30]True, I love how vlr.gg are circle jerking how good it is when it's not. Crowd cheering and hyping up is always a good thing as it makes the game more lively and intense compared to people only clapping on specific occasions and cheering when people ask them to cheer.
I didn’t say they were better, i said they were different, both have their own merits, some people prefer the different style of cheering Japan has to offer. I told you my opinion and I said I preferred the more loose crowds.
YouDii [#32]Oh wow, I cant cheer at an event, it's the end of the world, Japan is bad... I've gotta get off this site, I lose more brain cells every day reading some of these comments.
Lmao it’s crazy how much he got butthurt by it
HaSanity [#33]I didn’t say they were better, i said they were different, both have their own merits, some people prefer the different style of cheering Japan has to offer. I told you my opinion and I said I preferred the more loose crowds.
I wasn't saying about your comment specifically. Read properly please.
YouDii [#32]Oh wow, I cant cheer at an event, it's the end of the world, Japan is bad... I've gotta get off this site, I lose more brain cells every day reading some of these comments.
I never said Japan is bad. And you've got to be retarded as well. Policing fans is totally a greeeeeat thing for the industry. Imagine going to a football tournament and not being able to cheer or hype your favourite team. Just do some thinking. Just think for a moment, imagine going to an esport event not being able to cheer for your team and the only thing you hear is clapping. Totally entertaining isn't it ? Do some mental gymnastics please, people were complaining about how boring IEM Dallas crowds were given that they weren't cheering as much. Imagine if we followed what the Japanese are doing. It would literally make any sports boring.
4444444444444444 [#36]I never said Japan is bad. And you've got to be retarded as well. Policing fans is totally a greeeeeat thing for the industry. Imagine going to a football tournament and not being able to cheer or hype your favourite team. Just do some thinking. Just think for a moment, imagine going to an esport event not being able to cheer for your team and the only thing you hear is clapping. Totally entertaining isn't it ? Do some mental gymnastics please, people were complaining about how boring IEM Dallas crowds were given that they weren't cheering as much. Imagine if we followed what the Japanese are doing. It would literally make any sports boring.
Expecting the down votes as majority of vlr.gg users are sweaty anime watchers thinking that they understand Japanese culture and will go to Japan someday. It's actually funny.
HaSanity [#10]Does that mean salaries are higher or is it still considered gambling
Salaries are much higher in jp esports
4444444444444444 [#36]I never said Japan is bad. And you've got to be retarded as well. Policing fans is totally a greeeeeat thing for the industry. Imagine going to a football tournament and not being able to cheer or hype your favourite team. Just do some thinking. Just think for a moment, imagine going to an esport event not being able to cheer for your team and the only thing you hear is clapping. Totally entertaining isn't it ? Do some mental gymnastics please, people were complaining about how boring IEM Dallas crowds were given that they weren't cheering as much. Imagine if we followed what the Japanese are doing. It would literally make any sports boring.
Yes, it's boring, so go watch another event, its a Japanese event hosted by japanese vct for Japanese viewers and players. This is what they enjoy, so let them be. By this argument, every crowd is bad, brazil and latam too toxic, Danish nonexistent unless its Astralis playing, american is ResidentSleeper, english crowds be english. Literally you can complain about every crowd at every lan. Who cares, go watch another badly produced PGL lan and complain about it on hltv instead of making an account to complain about Japan and call people slurs when you're wrong.
HaSanity [#7]NA/emea prize pool: 200k
JP prize pool: 15kWhat a joke
Japanese salaries are much higher compared to other regions.
The biggest reason you see so many Korean pros playing in Japan.
4444444444444444 [#31]How is cheering and hyping out your favorite team not "respectful" ? . Doesn't make sense to me.
bro they literally have clappers and all that ipad banners, i assure you they are literally cheering and hyping their fave teams in their own way. if your definition of hyping or cheering is limited to shouting or banters then it’s time to put more folds in your brain.
YouDii [#41]Yes, it's boring, so go watch another event, its a Japanese event hosted by japanese vct for Japanese viewers and players. This is what they enjoy, so let them be. By this argument, every crowd is bad, brazil and latam too toxic, Danish nonexistent unless its Astralis playing, american is ResidentSleeper, english crowds be english. Literally you can complain about every crowd at every lan. Who cares, go watch another badly produced PGL lan and complain about it on hltv instead of making an account to complain about Japan and call people slurs when you're wrong.
"Badly produced" PGL LAN still 100x better than anything Riot will produce themselves in this game
Olofboost [#44]"Badly produced" PGL LAN still 100x better than anything Riot will produce themselves in this game
Black screen proceeds to last 30 minutes into the stream, multiple audio issues, players getting covid, and barely any good content pieces. Yeah I'll take my chances with Blast or Riot to make a good LAN.
YouDii [#41]Yes, it's boring, so go watch another event, its a Japanese event hosted by japanese vct for Japanese viewers and players. This is what they enjoy, so let them be. By this argument, every crowd is bad, brazil and latam too toxic, Danish nonexistent unless its Astralis playing, american is ResidentSleeper, english crowds be english. Literally you can complain about every crowd at every lan. Who cares, go watch another badly produced PGL lan and complain about it on hltv instead of making an account to complain about Japan and call people slurs when you're wrong.
"Yes, it's boring, so go watch another event," Love the downplaying here. It's still doesn't change the fact that it's detrimental to esports as it cultivates a boring experience for people who are outside of Japan. People in general attend to tournaments is to cheer and support for their teams and not to mention to experience the hype. The fact that your not allowed to do so would just make boring experience for the audience there and people who are watching on twitch. Maybe in Japan they don't but most people do. And your point about " brazil and latam too toxic" care to elaborate please. If your saying that they are toxic because they chant Fuck a certain team then you got to be a snowflake.
4444444444444444 [#31]How is cheering and hyping out your favorite team not "respectful" ? . Doesn't make sense to me.
Cheering only means shouting like crazy for you, right?
YouDii [#45]Black screen proceeds to last 30 minutes into the stream, multiple audio issues, players getting covid, and barely any good content pieces. Yeah I'll take my chances with Blast or Riot to make a good LAN.
Watched both majors and only catched several moments of some technical issues, which are definitely bearable as 99% of broadcast time is delivered correctly
But at least CS crowd will always be there and will always be fire, unlike certain esport where Riot can't make shit up for 1 year already
firo [#43]bro they literally have clappers and all that ipad banners, i assure you they are literally cheering and hyping their fave teams in their own way. if your definition of hyping or cheering is limited to shouting or banters then it’s time to put more folds in your brain.
When I say "cheering" I mean by "shouting for joy or in praise or encouragement.". Yes they can be clapping or showing their support with banners but without the crowd "cheering" it just makes it a boring experience. Like I said, take football for example, if people were just clapping and showing banners , it would make a boring experience for both the viewers and the audience as the main attraction to football is not only the plays but the crowd 'cheering" for their teams. Here an example of how cheering can make a sport more entertaining and lively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RuMgKUmzf8. Imagine replacing that with people who are just clapping and showing banners.
4444444444444444 [#46]"Yes, it's boring, so go watch another event," Love the downplaying here. It's still doesn't change the fact that it's detrimental to esports as it cultivates a boring experience for people who are outside of Japan. People in general attend to tournaments is to cheer and support for their teams and not to mention to experience the hype. The fact that your not allowed to do so would just make boring experience for the audience there and people who are watching on twitch. Maybe in Japan they don't but most people do. And your point about " brazil and latam too toxic" care to elaborate please. If your saying that they are toxic because they chant Fuck a certain team then you got to be a snowflake.
I'm not arguing this because clearly you dont get the fucking point. It's not an international lan, it's a japanese lan, catered to Japanese people. And if you want to go take a detour towards the latam/br toxicity, are you just clueless. Have you ever listened to what players have had sent to them from the fans in those countries in both cs and val. You can root against a team but it doesn't go farther than that. I can say having parents from Argentina and Brazil that you dont fuck with either of their fanbases in any sport, especially soccer.
4444444444444444 [#49]When I say "cheering" I mean by "shouting for joy or in praise or encouragement.". Yes they can be clapping or showing their support with banners but without the crowd "cheering" it just makes it a boring experience. Like I said, take football for example, if people were just clapping and showing banners , it would make a boring experience for both the viewers and the audience as the main attraction to football is not only the plays but the crowd 'cheering" for their teams. Here an example of how cheering can make a sport more entertaining and lively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RuMgKUmzf8. Imagine replacing that with people who are just clapping and showing banners.
Holy fk get some help pls instead of trying to justify an invalid point
Olofboost [#48]Watched both majors and only catched several moments of some technical issues, which are definitely bearable as 99% of broadcast time is delivered correctly
But at least CS crowd will always be there and will always be fire, unlike certain esport where Riot can't make shit up for 1 year already
why are you torturing yourself go watch CS: GO brother no one is forcing you.
Riot events just work differently.
Anyway, CS: GO crowd is the most toxic crowd I have ever seen they love to shit talk about other players and drag down other games and the most absurd thing is CS: GO tournament organizers promote that shit.
YouDii [#50]I'm not arguing this because clearly you dont get the fucking point. It's not an international lan, it's a japanese lan, catered to Japanese people. And if you want to go take a detour towards the latam/br toxicity, are you just clueless. Have you ever listened to what players have had sent to them from the fans in those countries in both cs and val. You can root against a team but it doesn't go farther than that. I can say having parents from Argentina and Brazil that you dont fuck with either of their fanbases in any sport, especially soccer.
"Have you ever listened to what players have had sent to them from the fans in those countries in both cs and val." What does that have do with their "CROWD" ? It's more like their fanbase. Not to mention your point about "Japanese event hosted by japanese vct for Japanese viewers and players." yeah I have misinterpreted your point and I do agree with it , but my whole argument was about people who were overhyping them on vlr.gg and trying to act like they have the best crowd.
volaweeb [#51]Holy fk get some help pls instead of trying to justify an invalid point
How about stating what's the "invalid point".
4444444444444444 [#49]When I say "cheering" I mean by "shouting for joy or in praise or encouragement.". Yes they can be clapping or showing their support with banners but without the crowd "cheering" it just makes it a boring experience. Like I said, take football for example, if people were just clapping and showing banners , it would make a boring experience for both the viewers and the audience as the main attraction to football is not only the plays but the crowd 'cheering" for their teams. Here an example of how cheering can make a sport more entertaining and lively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RuMgKUmzf8. Imagine replacing that with people who are just clapping and showing banners.
Yes i get it, but japan government not allowing them to cheering and yelling at the moment.
Seinaru [#55]Yes i get it, but japan government not allowing them to cheering and yelling at the moment.
Oh that's a downer. That's understandable then.
Churr0s [#40]It's because they still have covid restrictions. Masks are still mandatory and I'm pretty sure that they are not allowed to shout too much. The reaction to the crowd in this tournament really showed me how ignorant and blatantly racist people are. It's honestly so sad
yes i was confused why people do this
HaSanity [#33]I didn’t say they were better, i said they were different, both have their own merits, some people prefer the different style of cheering Japan has to offer. I told you my opinion and I said I preferred the more loose crowds.
no nobody fuckin likes what JP crowd does, its almost like they are forced not to shout. giving them props instead of just normal clapping and shouting makes it not as exciting
shantanu [#38]japan lan is just better than any val lan out there...
watch the kc lan for kc vs vitality and then say again . mf watches one val lan match and calls it the best
symbols07 [#60]watch the kc lan for kc vs vitality and then say again . mf watches one val lan match and calls it the best
True.
symbols07 [#60]watch the kc lan for kc vs vitality and then say again . mf watches one val lan match and calls it the best
link?
zardinez [#13]That's why they're not getting in. C9 and 100T are probably the only NA teams with a guarantee.
100T and Sentinels and TSM if you ask me
HaSanity [#7]NA/emea prize pool: 200k
JP prize pool: 15kWhat a joke
It’s 2022 and this guy still thinks prize pool matters when these players are making loads of money anyway. Everyone point at this and laugh.
shantanu [#62]link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpYCrfpYfUk "japan lan is just better" https://www.twitch.tv/kamet0/clip/MoldyFineWalrusLitty-FP7_HrOjcZEBxZlf
HaSanity [#2]Look at the difference in prize pools between NA and JP and the production quality. Plus it’s a LAN instead of a online cafe (hint faze)
Idk if many people know this or not but the prize pool in JP is low because of the Government restrictions on esports. It hasnt been long Esports has been allowed to have prize pool in the first place. It was just considered gambling a while ago , so riot cannot do a massive prize pool for Japan because of those restrictions. If you look at all the VCT JP events since game started you will notice prize pool has always been lower.
item [#23]OpTic is 100% a guarantee or people will riot that the best NA team isn't in franchising; they are a pretty big org too.
Right ofc Optic too. Idk how I forgot about them.
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