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hardstuckimmortal [#6]dapr talking so much for being so bad lmao
not his fault, dapr still nuts
He'd slot into any roster fine
hardstuckimmortal [#6]dapr talking so much for being so bad lmao
Nah that's just blind hatred
Dapr may talk shit but he has the skill to back it up. He's the most consistent player on the team after SicK.
The poor performance isn't the players' fault, it's the org's fault for not getting them a proper bootcamp and a real coach
Giannero [#3]Now 100T looks like they could qualify for copenhagen while sen is most likely out of lcq
Yessir 100T to masters 🥳
babysasuke [#7]not his fault, dapr still nuts
He'd slot into any roster fine
No hate on dapr but out of the group stage games, I only watched Sentinels play against Cloud9 and EG so it's hard for me to understand how dapr is 'still nuts' considering how he had little to no impact in both those series from a spectator point of view whilst also being on the low end of every metric in the group stages in totality.
TsoChicken [#11]No hate on dapr but out of the group stage games, I only watched Sentinels play against Cloud9 and EG so it's hard for me to understand how dapr is 'still nuts' considering how he had little to no impact in both those series from a spectator point of view whilst also being on the low end of every metric in the group stages in totality.
hes doing okay on chamber, and his team is literally lost the whole game
a) If meta shifts and lets him get back on cypher/kj hes going to do better individually
b) He has no team or strats to play around, so hes stuck on "what can I do to stop initial pushes" and "I hope my entry/initiators can take site to make my flank setups or posts plants worth it"
dexter000111 [#8]Nah that's just blind hatred
Dapr may talk shit but he has the skill to back it up. He's the most consistent player on the team after SicK.
The poor performance isn't the players' fault, it's the org's fault for not getting them a proper bootcamp and a real coach
Most consistent lmfaoooo. He is the worst Chamber player in NA VCT and pops off for one round per series where the enemy doesn't clear him.
Shownu [#12]Most consistent lmfaoooo. He is the worst Chamber player in NA VCT and pops off for one round per series where the enemy doesn't clear him.
The other Chambers are primary OPers and ex-Jett mains, its not a fair comparison
EDIT: Also, NA has the top 5 chambers itw so its hard to compare
Shownu [#12]Most consistent lmfaoooo. He is the worst Chamber player in NA VCT and pops off for one round per series where the enemy doesn't clear him.
Sure you could come at it from several angles if your objective is to only hate on him
But the fact remains that he's still a good player but needs a better team. Yes he has the worst stats of all chamber players but that's because he has a very different playstyle than those players. Those people you're comparing him to are just Jett players. And it's not his fault they're putting him on chamber instead of tenz or shahzam
babysasuke [#13]hes doing okay on chamber, and his team is literally lost the whole game
a) If meta shifts and lets him get back on cypher/kj hes going to do better individually
b) He has no team or strats to play around, so hes stuck on "what can I do to stop initial pushes" and "I hope my entry/initiators can take site to make my flank setups or posts plants worth it"
It doesn't really make sense to say "if meta shifts to X, then he'll be a good player" as justification to why dapr is currently a good player. The same it wouldn't make sense to say Subroza is one of the best players in the game currently because "if meta shifted to Phoenix, then he'll be a good player". It also doesn't really make sense to make guesses about what's going on internally in the team to justify why he's not performing great, because at the end of the day; they're guesses and trying to use them as a legitimate reason is baseless. He isn't doing okay on Chamber as well - the average Chamber KD in both the EMEA and NA group stages is close to 1.25 and dapr has a negative KD overall even including non-group stage games. I like dapr and I think he is a decent player, but by no metric is he still a great player in the scene.
babysasuke [#15]The other Chambers are primary OPers and ex-Jett mains, its not a fair comparison
EDIT: Also, NA has the top 5 chambers itw so its hard to compare
Yes, most of the other Chambers are primary OPers and ex-Jett mains but what does that matter?
The truth is, dapr is still a worse Chamber than them and that's what matters in the server.
TsoChicken [#14]It doesn't really make sense to say "if meta shifts to X, then he'll be a good player" as justification to why dapr is currently a good player. The same it wouldn't make sense to say Subroza is one of the best players in the game currently because "if meta shifted to Phoenix, then he'll be a good player". It also doesn't really make sense to make guesses about what's going on internally in the team to justify why he's not performing great, because at the end of the day; they're guesses and trying to use them as a legitimate reason is baseless. He isn't doing okay on Chamber as well - the average Chamber KD in both the EMEA and NA group stages is close to 1.25 and dapr has a negative KD overall even including non-group stage games. I like dapr and I think he is a decent player, but by no metric is he still a great player in the scene.
Yeah but when the meta has shifted from him being able to play traditional sentinel to Chamber, which is not at all played in the style and role that he is good at, its a little different.
Subroza played Phoenix as a flasher, Phoenix no longer good so he moved to other flashes.
SEN wont put TenZ or Shahzam who are the primary oppers on Chamber, which leaves the Sentinel player to play OP and win aim duels instead of his normal role, and puts the flex on traditional sentinel.
So Im not saying hes bad, Im saying that he is not playing his role per the meta.
Also, Subroza is the same player now that he has always been, meta independent.
TsoChicken [#14]It doesn't really make sense to say "if meta shifts to X, then he'll be a good player" as justification to why dapr is currently a good player. The same it wouldn't make sense to say Subroza is one of the best players in the game currently because "if meta shifted to Phoenix, then he'll be a good player". It also doesn't really make sense to make guesses about what's going on internally in the team to justify why he's not performing great, because at the end of the day; they're guesses and trying to use them as a legitimate reason is baseless. He isn't doing okay on Chamber as well - the average Chamber KD in both the EMEA and NA group stages is close to 1.25 and dapr has a negative KD overall even including non-group stage games. I like dapr and I think he is a decent player, but by no metric is he still a great player in the scene.
Couldn't agree more
TsoChicken [#15]Yes, most of the other Chambers are primary OPers and ex-Jett mains but what does that matter?
The truth is, dapr is still a worse Chamber than them and that's what matters in the server.
The whole team is broken, they cant figure out roles, and he still does his job.
Hes not yay, hes not cryo, and he shouldnt be compared to them because he isnt on the team to do their job.
NONE of the other sentinel players got moved to chamber, it was all of the oppers/jetts and dapr, thats why he doesnt play like them, its not what hes on the team to do.
They can force it all they want, but its a misallocation of resources on the team side and doesnt make him a worse player
babysasuke [#21]The whole team is broken, they cant figure out roles, and he still does his job.
Hes not yay, hes not cryo, and he shouldnt be compared to them because he isnt on the team to do their job.
NONE of the other sentinel players got moved to chamber, it was all of the oppers/jetts and dapr, thats why he doesnt play like them, its not what hes on the team to do.
They can force it all they want, but its a misallocation of resources on the team side and doesnt make him a worse player
None of your reasons actually reflect into the game or matter - all you're saying is that it's completely ACCEPTABLE for dapr to be a worse chamber which makes no sense when you're talking about competition.
TsoChicken [#17]None of your reasons actually reflect into the game or matter - all you're saying is that it's completely ACCEPTABLE for dapr to be a worse chamber which makes no sense when you're talking about competition.
You arent getting it.
Agree to disagree.
babysasuke [#19]Yeah but when the meta has shifted from him being able to play traditional sentinel to Chamber, which is not at all played in the style and role that he is good at, its a little different.
Subroza played Phoenix as a flasher, Phoenix no longer good so he moved to other flashes.
SEN wont put TenZ or Shahzam who are the primary oppers on Chamber, which leaves the Sentinel player to play OP and win aim duels instead of his normal role, and puts the flex on traditional sentinel.
So Im not saying hes bad, Im saying that he is not playing his role per the meta.
Also, Subroza is the same player now that he has always been, meta independent.
You're saying that under the right circumstances where dapr gets to play the agents he is best at and the meta favors those agents, he'll be a good player and that's why he's CURRENTLY a nuts player? To be frank with you, you're not making any sense.
TsoChicken [#18]You're saying that under the right circumstances where dapr gets to play the agents he is best at and the meta favors those agents, he'll be a good player and that's why he's CURRENTLY a nuts player? To be frank with you, you're not making any sense.
Im saying that Chamber is not a sentinel and he is a sentinel player so he should not be playing chamber or be expected to perform at the level of yay on it.
babysasuke [#23]You arent getting it.
Agree to disagree.
"The whole team is broken, they cant figure out roles, and he still does his job." - What exactly is his job? Because Chamber's main value to a team is being able to get kills, his whole kit is too - and he is one of the worst at doing so on the agent.
"Hes not yay, hes not cryo, and he shouldnt be compared to them because he isnt on the team to do their job." - Why shouldn't you compare him to yay and cryo when they're playing the same agent and role when he's playing chamber?
"NONE of the other sentinel players got moved to chamber, it was all of the oppers/jetts and dapr, thats why he doesnt play like them, its not what hes on the team to do." - What does it matter that he wasn't an OP/Jett before he swapped to Chamber?
"They can force it all they want, but its a misallocation of resources on the team side and doesnt make him a worse player" - So you can't judge dapr's Chamber because you don't think he should play Chamber? Pretty sure you're saying you think he's THAT bad of a Chamber that he just shouldn't be on it at all.
TsoChicken [#11]No hate on dapr but out of the group stage games, I only watched Sentinels play against Cloud9 and EG so it's hard for me to understand how dapr is 'still nuts' considering how he had little to no impact in both those series from a spectator point of view whilst also being on the low end of every metric in the group stages in totality.
i mean dapr was singlehandedly winning them rounds against c9.
TsoChicken [#19]"The whole team is broken, they cant figure out roles, and he still does his job." - What exactly is his job? Because Chamber's main value to a team is being able to get kills, his whole kit is too - and he is one of the worst at doing so on the agent.
"Hes not yay, hes not cryo, and he shouldnt be compared to them because he isnt on the team to do their job." - Why shouldn't you compare him to yay and cryo when they're playing the same agent and role when he's playing chamber?
"NONE of the other sentinel players got moved to chamber, it was all of the oppers/jetts and dapr, thats why he doesnt play like them, its not what hes on the team to do." - What does it matter that he wasn't an OP/Jett before he swapped to Chamber?
"They can force it all they want, but its a misallocation of resources on the team side and doesnt make him a worse player" - So you can't judge dapr's Chamber because you don't think he should play Chamber? Pretty sure you're saying you think he's THAT bad of a Chamber that he just shouldn't be on it at all.
My brother in Christ, the original reply said that hes BAD
not bad on chamber, but BAD
He is not a bad player, he is not as good on Chamber as the Jett players, but he is not a bad player
You are fucking dense and dont even know what point you are arguing.
He is not the best Chamber in NA, any org with a brain would have left him on his role and put someone else on Chamber, but to discredit him as a player overall for this is a braindead fucking take and you are an imbecile for being unable to comprehend it.
Keep typing, I wont read it
babysasuke [#25]Im saying that Chamber is not a sentinel and he is a sentinel player so he should not be playing chamber or be expected to perform at the level of yay on it.
I'm still yet to see why you think dapr is currently a nuts player. Also, I don't know if you understand but if TenZ played Chamber, dapr would not be playing a traditional sentinel on top of the Chamber.
babysasuke [#28]My brother in Christ, the original reply said that hes BAD
not bad on chamber, but BAD
He is not a bad player, he is not as good on Chamber as the Jett players, but he is not a bad player
You are fucking dense and dont even know what point you are arguing.
He is not the best Chamber in NA, any org with a brain would have left him on his role and put someone else on Chamber, but to discredit him as a player overall for this is a braindead fucking take and you are an imbecile for being unable to comprehend it.
Keep typing, I wont read it
I replied to you saying that dapr is NUTS and then replied to your statement that he was an okay Chamber which by every metric is not true. Did you just forget that you said that, lmao?
I'll also add that in the group stages, dapr was negative on every agent he played except KJ where he went positive by 1 kill - still yet to understand why you believe he's still nuts.
TsoChicken [#21]I'm still yet to see why you think dapr is currently a nuts player. Also, I don't know if you understand but if TenZ played Chamber, dapr would not be playing a traditional sentinel on top of the Chamber.
I'd say viper and astra to some extent both play a more traditional anchor on defense and can still lurk on attack so I assume he'd play those with sick on flex
nutab1e [#23]I'd say viper and astra to some extent both play a more traditional anchor on defense and can still lurk on attack so I assume he'd play those with sick on flex
My thoughts would be that he would be a main controller too, but obviously it's impossible to tell if he'll be good as a controller - but I'm asking babysasuke because he specifically states dapr will be good on a traditional sentinel role and he shouldn't play Chamber as part of the reasons to why dapr is currently nuts. Nothing he's been saying has been relevant to be honest...
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