1- Acend
2- Gambit
3- Fnatic
4- Team Liquid
5- FunPlus Phoenix
6- G2
7- SuperMassive Blaze
8- Guild
9- NaVi
10- Oxygen
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EMEA ALL TIME TOP 10
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Styling911 [#3]EU* only
top MENA team btw. The region still has a long way to go before becoming relevant
WinterZ [#6]top MENA team btw. The region still has a long way to go before becoming relevant
Nice 95 ping vs 15 with packet loss
nice comparision
Styling911 [#7]Nice 95 ping vs 15 with packet loss
nice comparision
ion think the scoreline would be much closer even with 0 ping
WinterZ [#8]ion think the scoreline would be much closer even with 0 ping
They would destory this fluked fokus team
just wait for next year when they invite mena team to real enviroment like other teams
Styling911 [#9]They would destory this fluked fokus team
just wait for next year when they invite mena team to real enviroment like other teams
aight bet. Ill come back to this post after 2023
Styling911 [#5]Give fair opportunity to all regions then call IT EMEA then you have this
1- Fnatic
2- Gambit
3- Ascend
4- Team Liquid
5- FunPlus Phoenix
6- G2
7- BBL
8- Falcons
9- NaVi
10- RAAD
How can u put fnatic on 1. when their only achievement is placing 2nd in first international masters, while Acend has masters EU + champions and Gambit masters 3 + 2nd place champions.
FALCONS RAAD LMFAO
BBL is also not Top 7 all time. Not even Top 10
61Hiko [#12]How can u put fnatic on 1. when their only achievement is placing 2nd in first international masters, while Acend has masters EU + champions and Gambit masters 3 + 2nd place champions.
FALCONS RAAD LMFAO
BBL is also not Top 7 all time. Not even Top 10
stfu asced fan OMEGALUL
Styling911 [#5]Give fair opportunity to all regions then call IT EMEA then you have this
1- Fnatic
2- Gambit
3- Ascend
4- Team Liquid
5- FunPlus Phoenix
6- G2
7- BBL
8- Falcons
9- NaVi
10- RAAD
fokus 13-2 13-3 your best team and you put them on 8 and 10. 0/8 list and bait lmao
61Hiko [#12]How can u put fnatic on 1. when their only achievement is placing 2nd in first international masters, while Acend has masters EU + champions and Gambit masters 3 + 2nd place champions.
FALCONS RAAD LMFAO
BBL is also not Top 7 all time. Not even Top 10
I can't disagree, we are talking about achievements; not current performance
NG1nS [#16]chovy you might not be that bad after all
I am always right. About Derke, Cryo, Acend, M3C, X, Y and Z
wkeyspectre [#14]fokus 13-2 13-3 your best team and you put them on 8 and 10. 0/8 list and bait lmao
bruh you have no idea what you are talking about
stick to 5 dualist region
PrTsty [#18]gambit >>>>>>> acend if we are talking about skill
acend sure won champions but hnestly a fluke, still the team with the biggest achievements tho
ur saying gambit better than but acend won vs gambit more
https://www.vlr.gg/49278/acend-vs-gambit-esports-red-bull-home-ground-2-qf/?game=56165&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/51296/acend-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-2021-gf/?game=57985&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/30769/acend-vs-gambit-esports-champions-tour-stage-3-emea-challengers-playoffs-lbf/?game=47931&tab=overview
people saying that champions was fluke but actually it's not. Acend only struggled vs vivo keyd and gambit at finals while gambit gave 1 map vs every team they played. Gambit was only good at masters 2 berlin.
Styling911 [#20]bruh you have no idea what you are talking about
stick to 5 dualist region
didn't answer me + paper rex beats your shit team anytime of the day
wkeyspectre [#24]didn't answer me + paper rex beats your shit team anytime of the day
Paper rex got lucky once and you think they are good its fucking funny
0 achemient in your whole life from your region in any game
you think valorant is diffrent? because you got lucky once you dumb 10iq rat
Styling911 [#5]Give fair opportunity to all regions then call IT EMEA then you have this
1- Fnatic
2- Gambit
3- Ascend
4- Team Liquid
5- FunPlus Phoenix
6- G2
7- BBL
8- Falcons
9- NaVi
10- RAAD
First delusional MENA fan
Hewcho [#23]ur saying gambit better than but acend won vs gambit more
https://www.vlr.gg/49278/acend-vs-gambit-esports-red-bull-home-ground-2-qf/?game=56165&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/51296/acend-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-2021-gf/?game=57985&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/30769/acend-vs-gambit-esports-champions-tour-stage-3-emea-challengers-playoffs-lbf/?game=47931&tab=overviewpeople saying that champions was fluke but actually it's not. Acend only struggled vs vivo keyd and gambit at finals while gambit gave 1 map vs every team they played. Gambit was only good at masters 2 berlin.
why are we bringing up redbull homeground now?
Acend has always struggled and was literally carried by zeek and cNed most of the time, only time they were actually all on point was at champions after that vivo keyd game.
and for gambit they have always played close games against much weaker oppositiong like against CR in masters 3 aswell, doesnt make up for the fact that they were consistently winning big matches, making huge comebacks and were never out of question. how was gambit only good in masters 2 berlin? btw it was masters 3
they won CIS masters (tbf wasnt that hard) then got 3rd in challengers 2 (where acend didnt even qualify to) won challengers 3, won masters with a 3-0 finals, got second in a close game against acend in champs, and now in challengersw one they didnt qualify for masters becaue of 0.02 seconds and that even after playing like 6 games in 2 days with way less preparation.
now lets look at acend
won masters 1 EU
missed out on challengers 2 (didnt even make it close to challengers)
made a huge roster change by getting zeek
made masters 3 as the 3rd out of 4, got second in their group and top 8 in total
won champs
big roster move
didnt even get to playoffs in challengers 1 2022
now the only tournament acend was better in was that one final game 3-2 in champs finals which couldve literally gone either way adn that redbull tournametn that noone cared about
gambit has been with this roster since day one and had not had a asingle bad performance, theri worst performance was getting top 6 only in challengers 1, were u can clearly see that the war and the whole new schedule made it very hard for them to keep up their game
Chovymaker [#19]I am always right. About Derke, Cryo, Acend, M3C, X, Y and Z
i don't follow ur opinions, but cryo is overrated and you will see that soon i promise
Hewcho [#23]ur saying gambit better than but acend won vs gambit more
https://www.vlr.gg/49278/acend-vs-gambit-esports-red-bull-home-ground-2-qf/?game=56165&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/51296/acend-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-2021-gf/?game=57985&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/30769/acend-vs-gambit-esports-champions-tour-stage-3-emea-challengers-playoffs-lbf/?game=47931&tab=overviewpeople saying that champions was fluke but actually it's not. Acend only struggled vs vivo keyd and gambit at finals while gambit gave 1 map vs every team they played. Gambit was only good at masters 2 berlin.
also saying that acend won morte times against Gambit is like saying that LG has been overall better than SEN because they won more times than SEN in direct matches
Styling911 [#25]Paper rex got lucky once and you think they are good its fucking funny
0 achemient in your whole life from your region in any game
you think valorant is diffrent? because you got lucky once you dumb 10iq rat
still has more achievements than MENA
NG1nS [#30]i don't follow ur opinions, but cryo is overrated and you will see that soon i promise
When you see Cryo in Copenhagen, come.
PrTsty [#18]gambit >>>>>>> acend if we are talking about skill
acend sure won champions but hnestly a fluke, still the team with the biggest achievements tho
i believe this is about achievements and accolades, not skill
but yes i agree gambit > acend for achievements (though its close)
r0xi3 [#40]
- Fnatic
- Fpx
- Team Liquid
- G2
- Acend
- M3C
- Guild
- BBL
- Navi
- Focus
- OG LDN UTD
- BIG
its meant to be all time not current
no_noise_979 [#41]its meant to be all time not current
Replace Fpx with M3C and Fnc with Acend and the list would still be relevant.
61Hiko [#12]How can u put fnatic on 1. when their only achievement is placing 2nd in first international masters, while Acend has masters EU + champions and Gambit masters 3 + 2nd place champions.
FALCONS RAAD LMFAO
BBL is also not Top 7 all time. Not even Top 10
L take BBL top 10 easy
Chovymaker [#39]Why do you hate Cryo? he is not the best player but definitely top 5 in NA
- i don't hate him at all
- the fact that you can put him in top 5 even NA is overrated
i don't hate him i just think he's extremely overrated
PrTsty [#31]also saying that acend won morte times against Gambit is like saying that LG has been overall better than SEN because they won more times than SEN in direct matches
ummm lg is better than sen???
thank you for contradicting your self XD
NG1nS [#46]ummm lg is better than sen???
thank you for contradicting your self XD
We are talking about all time lol, SEN won masters 1&2, got to masters 3 and champipns while LG hasnt made a single LAN event.
Noone is talking about current form, or do you think acend is number 1 atm
PrTsty [#29]why are we bringing up redbull homeground now?
Acend has always struggled and was literally carried by zeek and cNed most of the time, only time they were actually all on point was at champions after that vivo keyd game.
and for gambit they have always played close games against much weaker oppositiong like against CR in masters 3 aswell, doesnt make up for the fact that they were consistently winning big matches, making huge comebacks and were never out of question. how was gambit only good in masters 2 berlin? btw it was masters 3
they won CIS masters (tbf wasnt that hard) then got 3rd in challengers 2 (where acend didnt even qualify to) won challengers 3, won masters with a 3-0 finals, got second in a close game against acend in champs, and now in challengersw one they didnt qualify for masters becaue of 0.02 seconds and that even after playing like 6 games in 2 days with way less preparation.
now lets look at acend
won masters 1 EU
missed out on challengers 2 (didnt even make it close to challengers)
made a huge roster change by getting zeek
made masters 3 as the 3rd out of 4, got second in their group and top 8 in total
won champs
big roster move
didnt even get to playoffs in challengers 1 2022now the only tournament acend was better in was that one final game 3-2 in champs finals which couldve literally gone either way adn that redbull tournametn that noone cared about
gambit has been with this roster since day one and had not had a asingle bad performance, theri worst performance was getting top 6 only in challengers 1, were u can clearly see that the war and the whole new schedule made it very hard for them to keep up their game
6 out of 6 downvotes didnt even read
no_noise_979 [#36]i believe this is about achievements and accolades, not skill
but yes i agree gambit > acend for achievements (though its close)
I mean even for achievements wise I think the Champions trophy beats everything else so I would put acend over it but the OP said top 10 all time
PrTsty [#47]We are talking about all time lol, SEN won masters 1&2, got to masters 3 and champipns while LG hasnt made a single LAN event.
Noone is talking about current form, or do you think acend is number 1 atm
are you dumb? when SEN was winning all masters 2 and challengers they were beating LG ?????
doesn't change the fact that rn LG are better than SEN bcz they have more wins over them
the same with acend they were better than gambit bcz they won most of their matches, the only match gambit won was seeding to berlin
listen ACE>GAMBIT doesn't mean ACE>ALL
ACE's playstyle worked well against GAMBIT that's all, maybe bcz ACE scrims against them all the time gives them advantage over international teams so they know how to play against them but that doesn't change the fact that during 2021 ACEND was better than GAMBIT
NG1nS [#51]are you dumb? when SEN was winning all masters 2 and challengers they were beating LG ?????
doesn't change the fact that rn LG are better than SEN bcz they have more wins over them
the same with acend they were better than gambit bcz they won most of their matches, the only match gambit won was seeding to berlin
listen ACE>GAMBIT doesn't mean ACE>ALL
ACE's playstyle worked well against GAMBIT that's all, maybe bcz ACE scrims against them all the time gives them advantage over international teams so they know how to play against them but that doesn't change the fact that during 2021 ACEND was better than GAMBIT
we are arguing about the best team overall in EMEA, Gambit couldve lost 100 times to acend doesnt change the fact that gambit overall has been way more consistent and has better tournament results
u really cant say acend was better when literally the only tournament threy placed above Gambit was champions
NG1nS [#51]are you dumb? when SEN was winning all masters 2 and challengers they were beating LG ?????
doesn't change the fact that rn LG are better than SEN bcz they have more wins over them
the same with acend they were better than gambit bcz they won most of their matches, the only match gambit won was seeding to berlin
listen ACE>GAMBIT doesn't mean ACE>ALL
ACE's playstyle worked well against GAMBIT that's all, maybe bcz ACE scrims against them all the time gives them advantage over international teams so they know how to play against them but that doesn't change the fact that during 2021 ACEND was better than GAMBIT
challengers 2:
Gambit: 3rd
Acend: didnt even qualify for the top 8
challengers 3:
gambit 1st
acend 3rd
masters 3
gambit 1st
acend top 8
chmapions
gambit 2nd
acend 1st
(by one map btw)
challengers 1
gambit top 6 (not making top 3 because of 0.02 seconds even after all the circumstances)
acend top 10, getting grouped as 5th
now stop acting as if champions was way harder than masters 3 to win, sure acend has the bigger achievments because of the Champion trophy wbich just is the biggest thing to get but that doesnt make them the better team
PrTsty [#53]challengers 2:
Gambit: 3rd
Acend: didnt even qualify for the top 8challengers 3:
gambit 1st
acend 3rdmasters 3
gambit 1st
acend top 8chmapions
gambit 2nd
acend 1st
(by one map btw)challengers 1
gambit top 6 (not making top 3 because of 0.02 seconds even after all the circumstances)
acend top 10, getting grouped as 5thnow stop acting as if champions was way harder than masters 3 to win, sure acend has the bigger achievments because of the Champion trophy wbich just is the biggest thing to get but that doesnt make them the better team
i like how u mention circumstances when it's gambit and ignore when it's acend nice bias
also acend made roster changes gambit didn't
are u really mentioning 0.02 like it was some bug or something bro they lost that's the end of it
CHAMPIONS>ALL
ACE>GAMBIT through 2021
so skill wise they are also better than gambit
NG1nS [#54]i like how u mention circumstances when it's gambit and ignore when it's acend nice bias
also acend made roster changes gambit didn't
are u really mentioning 0.02 like it was some bug or something bro they lost that's the end of it
CHAMPIONS>ALL
ACE>GAMBIT through 2021
so skill wise they are also better than gambit
roster changes speak against acend tho, since we are speaking about teams not orgs
and yes I mention 0.02 seconds because it shows how close gambit was to making the cut into top 3, while acend was miles away from even getting close to top 3
PrTsty [#55]roster changes speak against acend tho, since we are speaking about teams not orgs
and yes I mention 0.02 seconds because it shows how close gambit was to making the cut into top 3, while acend was miles away from even getting close to top 3
yes acend was miles away having 1 player's family in ukrain in the middle of bombing and 1 player with mental health issues
but nah we can't mention their circumstances only the 0.02 second matters yep
Styling911 [#5]Give fair opportunity to all regions then call IT EMEA then you have this
1- Fnatic
2- Gambit
3- Ascend
4- Team Liquid
5- FunPlus Phoenix
6- G2
7- BBL
8- Falcons
9- NaVi
10- RAAD
If you don’t put Acend or Gambit #1 your list is pretty much irrelevant
NG1nS [#54]i like how u mention circumstances when it's gambit and ignore when it's acend nice bias
also acend made roster changes gambit didn't
are u really mentioning 0.02 like it was some bug or something bro they lost that's the end of it
CHAMPIONS>ALL
ACE>GAMBIT through 2021
so skill wise they are also better than gambit
what am I reading?
acend didnt make challengers 2 and made only top 8 in masters 3, how where they better than gambit in 2021?
I really think you dont understand the difference between the best team and the team with the biggest achievements.
Easy example: S1mple best player all time csgo
astralis players: biggest achievements of all players in csgo
there is a difference
NG1nS [#56]yes acend was miles away having 1 player's family in ukrain in the middle of bombing and 1 player with mental health issues
but nah we can't mention their circumstances only the 0.02 second matters yep
also champions was a 100% harder than masters 3 u can't argue when we had a circuit points for the best teams throughput the year and to say otherwise would be delusional
NG1nS [#56]yes acend was miles away having 1 player's family in ukrain in the middle of bombing and 1 player with mental health issues
but nah we can't mention their circumstances only the 0.02 second matters yep
ok fair still doesnt make up for the fact that gambit was clear of acend in that stage, even before acend was facing those issues
PrTsty [#58]what am I reading?
acend didnt make challengers 2 and made only top 8 in masters 3, how where they better than gambit in 2021?
I really think you dont understand the difference between the best team and the team with the biggest achievements.Easy example: S1mple best player all time csgo
astralis players: biggest achievements of all players in csgo
there is a difference
bro i already explained it acend is better than gambit but gambit is more consistent
doesn't change the fact that acend beats gambit every time
- Gambit / M3C
- fnatic
- Acend
- Liquid
- G2
- Guild
- FPX
- Heretics (people forget how good they were at the start of valorant, and this is an all time list)
- NiP (again, early days they used to win versus G2 and Acend all the time, not good anymore but they were among the best back then)
- NaVi
This is based on performance over the entire lifespan of Valorant, not only the last 6 months like half the lists here
PrTsty [#60]ok fair still doesnt make up for the fact that gambit was clear of acend in that stage, even before acend was facing those issues
i mean i'm not really talking about 2022 when they both did very bad we can't compare they didn't play eachother and they both didn't qualify
NG1nS [#59]also champions was a 100% harder than masters 3 u can't argue when we had a circuit points for the best teams throughput the year and to say otherwise would be delusional
yeah and Gambit made top 2 in that exact tournament
NG1nS [#61]bro i already explained it acend is better than gambit but gambit is more consistent
doesn't change the fact that acend beats gambit every time
3 games
acend won 2
2/3 = 100 percent
NG1nS [#61]bro i already explained it acend is better than gambit but gambit is more consistent
doesn't change the fact that acend beats gambit every time
acend has literally only that one game over Gambit, thats not enough to be the better team alltime, u cant be the best team all time just because you won one tournament
PrTsty [#66]acend has literally only that one game over Gambit, thats not enough to be the better team alltime, u cant be the best team all time just because you won one tournament
if astralis was the most consistent team but kept losing to navi and lost the major to them i wouldn't be able to put them above navi
NG1nS [#68]if astralis was the most consistent team but kept losing to navi and lost the major to them i wouldn't be able to put them above navi
that doesnt make sense bro what are you talking about, its not about direct head to head performance.
ok lets say team A wins agains team B everytime
team B wins against team C every time
and team C wins against team A everytime
so now noone is the best team or everyone is?
PrTsty [#70]that doesnt make sense bro what are you talking about, its not about direct head to head performance.
ok lets say team A wins agains team B everytime
team B wins against team C every time
and team C wins against team A everytime
so now noone is the best team or everyone is?
well if there is a pattern i would just make straight comments that
A is better against B
B against C
and C against A
doesn't work any other way, or what do you do with this information?
NG1nS [#71]well if there is a pattern i would just make straight comments that
A is better against B
B against C
and C against A
doesn't work any other way, or what do you do with this information?
yes exactly, Acend has a better head to head stat but thats not how better works. just because u win against someone more often daoesnt make you better than them
PrTsty [#72]yes exactly, Acend has a better head to head stat but thats not how better works. just because u win against someone more often daoesnt make you better than them
this isn't like andbox and sen where andbox kept winning against sen but fail to do more than that
this is about a teams that won masters 1 EU and champions and was quarter fianlist in masters 3
we're comparing number 1 and 2 of EMEA and what's the tie breaker ? it's the head to head stats and wouldn't work otherwise imo
NG1nS [#73]this isn't like andbox and sen where andbox kept winning against sen but fail to do more than that
this is about a teams that won masters 1 EU and champions and was quarter fianlist in masters 3
we're comparing number 1 and 2 of EMEA and what's the tie breaker ? it's the head to head stats and wouldn't work otherwise imo
why would u need a tiebreaker tho when gambits results have been way better
thats like having a tiebreaker for a 5-0 and a 3-2 team
NG1nS [#73]this isn't like andbox and sen where andbox kept winning against sen but fail to do more than that
this is about a teams that won masters 1 EU and champions and was quarter fianlist in masters 3
we're comparing number 1 and 2 of EMEA and what's the tie breaker ? it's the head to head stats and wouldn't work otherwise imo
Gambit: 2 Masters Masters 1 and 3
Acend: 1 Masters and 1 Champions
Acend played against much harder teams in Masters 1 but They were no where to be find in Masters 2 challengers
Conclusion: They are equal
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