Brazil:
Loud, NiP
LATAM N:
Fusion
LATAM S:
KRU
NA:
OpTic, C9, Guard, SEN, 100T, NRG, TSM, XSET
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Piter [#2]I don't completely agree with giving NA twice as many teams as the other 3 regiões put together, but ok
Brazil is the most unserious, uncompetetive region in all of VCT. Nobody can touch loud, it's not even close. Add VK/MIBR if you want more Brazilian teams, but Brazil is quite literally the definition of a top heavy, 1 team region.
LATAM has done nothing on LAN outside of champs run (fluke?) Add Leviatan if you want but they got wiped by NiP, and NiP bombed out on LAN.
NA is so much more competitive, both domestically and internationally. NA has outperformed both BR and LATAM in every international event and has the 2nd best results behind EMEA. There is also way more depth - NA's top 10 destroys BR/LATAM top 10 (minus loud)
Piter [#2]I don't completely agree with giving NA twice as many teams as the other 3 regiões put together, but ok
Let's say hypothetically the teams were
BR: Loud, NiP, VK
LATAM: KRU, Fusion, Leviatan
NA: OpTic, Guard, C9, XSET, V1, NRG
Top 2: Loud + OpTic
3-5: C9 + Guard + KRU
6-10: NRG + NiP + V1 + Fusion + XSET
11-12: VK + Leviatan
3/top 5 = NA
Yicko [#3]Brazil is the most unserious, uncompetetive region in all of VCT. Nobody can touch loud, it's not even close. Add VK/MIBR if you want more Brazilian teams, but Brazil is quite literally the definition of a top heavy, 1 team region.
LATAM has done nothing on LAN outside of champs run (fluke?) Add Leviatan if you want but they got wiped by NiP, and NiP bombed out on LAN.
NA is so much more competitive, both domestically and internationally. NA has outperformed both BR and LATAM in every international event and has the 2nd best results behind EMEA. There is also way more depth - NA's top 10 destroys BR/LATAM top 10 (minus loud)
Fair enough when you say it like that. Still, having it half and half like you said between LATAM/BR is something I'd be happy with
Yicko [#5]Let's say hypothetically the teams were
BR: Loud, NiP, VK
LATAM: KRU, Fusion, Leviatan
NA: OpTic, Guard, C9, XSET, V1, NRGTop 2: Loud + OpTic
3-5: C9 + Guard + KRU
6-10: NRG + NiP + V1 + Fusion + XSET
11-12: VK + Leviatan3/top 5 = NA
Nip>kru
Sorry to feel you but V1 wouldn’t win against any of the teams listed there
You can’t say for sure NRG is a top tier team when the best opponent they beat was TSM
Guard has no international wins and is very unlikely they’ll be winning anything again anytime soon based on how they look
NA has Optic and MAYBE C9 (they don’t look as good as you guys make em out to be) as top tier, as for the rest I’m sorry if these teams are all you watch but there’s no plausible argument as to why they’re better than teams from other regions
lorenzopajaroFC [#7]Lol yeah sure 8 teams for NA keep dreaming, NA has 6 and Br/latam the other 6 that’s how it works
Otherwise NA would be getting 6 teams for every masters since br+latam is 3
No it would be top 2 NA teams to LAN even with 8 team franchise
I don't see Riot giving NA more than 6 or 7 slots in a 12 team league, the more NA teams they put in the league, the bigger the chances of having no BR/Latam teams in Masters/Champions. This would hurt their viewership a lot considering that the NA fanbase is not loyal at all.
That being said, I doubt NIP will get a slot, NIP BR fanbase is small and their BR budget isn't great, Riot will 100% lean towards the BR LOL teams that have huge fanbase, like Pain/Furia.
Should have the other league running along side to try & get in, even if Riot vetted only as well but only the main league gets the "rev share"
Ex: Top6 NA (from Stage 1 2022)
The Guard/Optic/C9/XSET/LG/V1
Top 4 BR:
Loud/NIP/Keyd/Furia
Top 4 Latam:
KRU/Leviatan/Fusion/Lazer
and at the end of the stage or before the new one have a relegation playoffs between bottom 2 from each league
Ex:
LG & V1 in a promotion/relegations double elimination playoffs vs SEN & Knights
where only 2 spots per region have the possibility of changing
lorenzopajaroFC [#8]Nip>kru
Sorry to feel you but V1 wouldn’t win against any of the teams listed there
You can’t say for sure NRG is a top tier team when the best opponent they beat was TSM
Guard has no international wins and is very unlikely they’ll be winning anything again anytime soon based on how they lookNA has Optic and MAYBE C9 (they don’t look as good as you guys make em out to be) as top tier, as for the rest I’m sorry if these teams are all you watch but there’s no plausible argument as to why they’re better than teams from other regions
Sure, NiP may be better than Kru, but NiP looked lost internationally so that doesn't mean much to me. They still don't hold a candle to OpTic/Loud/C9
V1 would beat every Latam team outside of Kru and would beat VK, could 2-1 NiP. They looked bad in OQ2 because they had no time to practice because of issues with wippie's visa.
I never said NRG is a top tier team, but VK/Leviatan/Fusion/NiP haven't done shit internationally either, so it comes down to who's better, and I'm going with NRG/
Guard lost to the champions and a top 4 team without any warm up matches on LAN, and their all super young and inexperienced. Their iceland performance doesn't mean shit to me, and they will figure out their problems in groups.
C9 beat DRX (VS at the time), lost to Liquid by like 5 rounds. NiP got slaughtered by DRX by like 20 rounds.
At the end of the day, your argument doesn't make sense because you're putting emphasis on "no international results" but Brazil never made it out of the group stage before Loud and Loud is their only internationally successful team. LATAM had 1 instance of international success.
Pink_Maldito [#10]I don't see Riot giving NA more than 6 or 7 slots in a 12 team league, the more NA teams they put in the league, the bigger the chances of having no BR/Latam teams in Masters/Champions. This would hurt their viewership a lot considering that the NA fanbase is not loyal at all.
That being said, I doubt NIP will get a slot, NIP BR fanbase is small and their BR budget isn't great, Riot will 100% lean towards the BR LOL teams that have huge fanbase, like Pain/Furia.
Maybe but Furia and Pain are so shit lmao and NiP is actually decent
Piter [#2]I don't completely agree with giving NA twice as many teams as the other 3 regiões put together, but ok
its probably gonna be 10-6 split https://twitter.com/Bo_Hoogland/status/1526200842000510976
Yicko [#14]Sure, NiP may be better than Kru, but NiP looked lost internationally so that doesn't mean much to me. They still don't hold a candle to OpTic/Loud/C9
V1 would beat every Latam team outside of Kru and would beat VK, could 2-1 NiP. They looked bad in OQ2 because they had no time to practice because of issues with wippie's visa.
I never said NRG is a top tier team, but VK/Leviatan/Fusion/NiP haven't done shit internationally either, so it comes down to who's better, and I'm going with NRG/
Guard lost to the champions and a top 4 team without any warm up matches on LAN, and their all super young and inexperienced. Their iceland performance doesn't mean shit to me, and they will figure out their problems in groups.
C9 beat DRX (VS at the time), lost to Liquid by like 5 rounds. NiP got slaughtered by DRX by like 20 rounds.At the end of the day, your argument doesn't make sense because you're putting emphasis on "no international results" but Brazil never made it out of the group stage before Loud and Loud is their only internationally successful team. LATAM had 1 instance of international success.
This conversation is completely irrelevant, Riot won't choose based on current lineups. Riot has contacted several orgs that don't even have a roster rn.
Guaranteed orgs probably
Feel like the only guaranteed br team is loud and maybe furia a close second
For NA 100t, c9, optic and maybe guard/faze for their size and wealth.
Only reason I’m thinking there’s a chance no sen is because they’re known to have little to no infrastructure and just be a player run org/team. Ish
Literally the org caring and actually being able to create stable systems for their Valorant program is going to be a factor.
There’s a chance riot will actually invest in teams like xset but the size/popularity is still going to be a factor they’ll consider. It’s going to be a longterm commitment where the teams will also grow with the league so idk but Literally every other top org has more staff/teams and just a better system because they can afford it. Just depends on if riot thinks xset will be able to actually run and create a more complex valorant system with better funding ig.
I hope Kru
Yicko [#14]Sure, NiP may be better than Kru, but NiP looked lost internationally so that doesn't mean much to me. They still don't hold a candle to OpTic/Loud/C9
V1 would beat every Latam team outside of Kru and would beat VK, could 2-1 NiP. They looked bad in OQ2 because they had no time to practice because of issues with wippie's visa.
I never said NRG is a top tier team, but VK/Leviatan/Fusion/NiP haven't done shit internationally either, so it comes down to who's better, and I'm going with NRG/
Guard lost to the champions and a top 4 team without any warm up matches on LAN, and their all super young and inexperienced. Their iceland performance doesn't mean shit to me, and they will figure out their problems in groups.
C9 beat DRX (VS at the time), lost to Liquid by like 5 rounds. NiP got slaughtered by DRX by like 20 rounds.At the end of the day, your argument doesn't make sense because you're putting emphasis on "no international results" but Brazil never made it out of the group stage before Loud and Loud is their only internationally successful team. LATAM had 1 instance of international success.
“V1 no practice” is an excuse, the team got decked on playoffs last time around and were just honeymooning on group stage
“Guard lost to champions and fourth place” and Nip lost to fifth place (DRX when they were still hot at the start of the tournament) and had the closest game of all against the third place, remember optic lost to X10 and Rise as well so how teams matchup vary a lot so what determines who’s better in the end is consistency, and guard has none
Last point, see how your only argument in the end is “yeah we can’t compare but I’m sure teams from my region are better” that’s an opinion not an argument, so yeah NRG can end up being insanely good but we can’t affirm that yet, just like we can’t compare T2 Br and NA until franchises start, which makes giving NA double the numbers of the other two regions COMBINED extremely unfair and baseless
Pink_Maldito [#17]This conversation is completely irrelevant, Riot won't choose based on current lineups. Riot has contacted several orgs that don't even have a roster rn.
Which city are you from? I feel like I’ve met someone with this alias some years ago, might just be a coincidence tho
lorenzopajaroFC [#21]“V1 no practice” is an excuse, the team got decked on playoffs last time around and were just honeymooning on group stage
“Guard lost to champions and fourth place” and Nip lost to fifth place (DRX when they were still hot at the start of the tournament) and had the closest game of all against the third place, remember optic lost to X10 and Rise as well so how teams matchup vary a lot so what determines who’s better in the end is consistency, and guard has none
Last point, see how your only argument in the end is “yeah we can’t compare but I’m sure teams from my region are better” that’s an opinion not an argument, so yeah NRG can end up being insanely good but we can’t affirm that yet, just like we can’t compare T2 Br and NA until franchises start, which makes giving NA double the numbers of the other two regions COMBINED extremely unfair and baseless
let me clear things up for you. If we're comparing off no international information, we look at domestic information. Loud has never dropped a map in brazil. multiple teams have beaten both guard and optic, and NA has had multiple representatives have good showings. other NA teams like NRG's perfromance vs OpTic/Guard/C9/SEN are much closer than other Brazil teams vs Loud. By that metric, NA teams are better, considering OpTic beat Loud. Understand?
Yicko [#5]Let's say hypothetically the teams were
BR: Loud, NiP, VK
LATAM: KRU, Fusion, Leviatan
NA: OpTic, Guard, C9, XSET, V1, NRGTop 2: Loud + OpTic
3-5: C9 + Guard + KRU
6-10: NRG + NiP + V1 + Fusion + XSET
11-12: VK + Leviatan3/top 5 = NA
V1/Guard/NRG over 100T?
Pink_Maldito [#10]I don't see Riot giving NA more than 6 or 7 slots in a 12 team league, the more NA teams they put in the league, the bigger the chances of having no BR/Latam teams in Masters/Champions. This would hurt their viewership a lot considering that the NA fanbase is not loyal at all.
That being said, I doubt NIP will get a slot, NIP BR fanbase is small and their BR budget isn't great, Riot will 100% lean towards the BR LOL teams that have huge fanbase, like Pain/Furia.
Rather nip gets a slot than either, they’re a much better team
lorenzopajaroFC [#22]Which city are you from? I feel like I’ve met someone with this alias some years ago, might just be a coincidence tho
Salvador - BA
spookmeister [#25]Rather nip gets a slot than either, they’re a much better team
Current lineups have almost no relevance in this matter. They will choose teams based on long-term goals. Partnered teams will have plenty of time to rebuild.
Piter [#6]Fair enough when you say it like that. Still, having it half and half like you said between LATAM/BR is something I'd be happy with
realistically i see NA only having 3-4 teams
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