A player would always be incredibly lucky to play alongside players like aspas, less and pANcada and saadhak IGL on top of that. There's no shame admitting that. Just because he built the team doesn't mean what I'm saying is not true

A lot of other players have good utility too. If SEN winning madrid doesn't make Zellsis the best flex player then I don't understand how that argument works for sacy! Sacy has arguably been the worst performing player on SEN for almost 2 years now. Even if they won madrid which SEN player was worse?
I just think there are other more consistent players than sacy but would I replace him with all of them? NO. If meshes well with the team then he meshes well, that's just it.

TheAceGamer30 turns into LeBron James when it comes to coming up with the dumbest logic ever

Bonecold has a champs too while sayf doesn't. It's a team game. Not to underestimate sacy, he did his part obv but you also gotta be lucky to play on a championship caliber team.

He was open to joining SEN at that time. TGRD future was up in the air, they were in the trenches of T2 where M80 guys were the hot favorites. Trent even upsetly said in a stream that he wasn't gonna get picked up by any franchised team which end up happening at the end and he won the Ascension later

bruh! People have their preferences. I rate trent a lot. top 3 initiators itw imo, may be even top 2

Does this guy ever have a bad game? Always so impactful both as a fragger and a support. None of that 'his util is insane tho' gimmick.

Apparently, syykoNT was planning to get him for SEN in 2023 but idk why he didn't follow through. I was hoping so badly that SEN got him at that time. What could have been!

both bayern players were offside

It's oxy. He is a different beast rn and Cloud9 makes him really comfortable.

LOUD beat SEN 2-0 very convincingly so they deserve playoffs more than SEN. You can't blame everything on the format even though it's bad.

stfu. you are the one who is parasocial thinking you know them and how chill they are with each other. Did qck tell he fucks with Zellsis or did you pull that out of your ass? Talking about being parasocial !

you are stupid. LOUD literally won 2-0 pretty convincingly, 100T won 2-0. All the stars aligned, we are the only ones that didn't do our job. It's not even just about Zellsis, they lost as a team but you can't be putting this one LOUD. They didn't have to try for us that hard, only a win was enough for them. This is just shameless behavior that I can't stand.

https://x.com/Zellsis/status/1787286820465844297

WTF is this shit? Now it's LOUDs fault that you were inting the whole time, both split and Icebox against Furia? They won convincingly what more can they do? QCK tried harder to win 2-0 than Zellsis did tbf. I can't stand this clownery, I am sorry.

Also, if sacy was shooting a bit more. FK MAN FK MAN FK MAN this hurts. Zellsis and sacy I love you guys but I am gonna hate you two at least for the whole day today. Bum ass mfers

so you admit you are the most beta male soyboy ever because you have no loyalty.

He came into the match trying to act like he didn't care because that's what kaplan said in the interview so he was playing like he didn't give a fuck. But unfortunate it ended up mattering so much.

You had a NRG flair few days ago I could swear. Let's not talk about who the real man is

I know it's not his fault and in the grand scheme of things that's not the only reason SEN failed to make playoffs but I swear to god I can picture every round he threw against fkin FURIA. Like I can't get it out of my head.

May be because it's so close and those rounds ended up mattering so much. I am sorry Zellsis. He still gave us a trophy though.

In Kickoff they won their last game but it didn't matter and this time they are losing but it's not gonna matter.

Moral of the story: G2 never matters. GG #FUCKG2

well yeah. I thought it was gonna be a half an hour match or something

6 now fk. they might as well get 6 rounds as a BYE

All I have been seeing is C9 absolutely destroying them this map and mibr still has 5 rounds somehow. I don't even know when they got those rounds. 13 rounds on 2 maps is just too EZ to get in this game even if you are absolute garbanjo, i don't even know man. I don't see the light honestly

His leadership is 90. That's pretty high. Communication is decent but I had to (-) some points because of him raging a lot

That's a leadership quality. I can't be adding every sub-category quality in there, it would be too cluttered.

you could allude to someone's scouting skill as their player development skill I guess. wdym mini scouting skills at 100? He literally built a super team of 2022's standards. It took no skill, I could have built the same team if I were there!

Nah mini comes out of ever break with some mad cookage. I gotta respect him for that. The achievement and consistency of FNC as him on the HC is undeniable.

MY GLORIOUS KING. 23 🥳 is gonna be our year

Recency bias

• EG Potter 🐐 ( Strategy = 90, Leadership= 94, Adaptability = 91, Player Development = 93, Communication= 88)
• PRX Alecks ( Strategy = 86, Leadership= 90, Adaptability = 93, Player Development = 87, Communication= 82)
• NAVI d00mbr0s ( Strategy = 84, Leadership= 84, Adaptability = 88, Player Development = 83, Communication= 86)
• NRG Chet ( Strategy = 86, Leadership= 78, Adaptability = 82, Player Development = 80, Communication= 85)
• SEN kaplan ( Strategy = 87, Leadership= 80, Adaptability = 78, Player Development = 82, Communication= 80)
• Fnatic mini ( Strategy = 93, Leadership= 86, Adaptability = 86, Player Development = 82, Communication= 87)

In no particular order, except potter is the GOAT. Needless to say, These are based off of my opinion and these are more of personal traits than what you would see on a player card per say. Those player attributes are more out there for people to see and judge so I had to go with what felt right to me off of performance, leadership qualities I have seen in interviews and social media contents. Might not be perfect but it's still fun and coaches need their recognition too.

we threw so many rounds. like wasn't even fair. Zellsis had a Lellsis day

not the map, I meant split 1

1.18 rating for the split. Top 10 players even as a support player when his team shat the bed. MY GOAT

You can't play for a specific score, that's too much pressure but they of course knew in the back of their head but zellsis was just sloppy today.

nah. 16 rnds buffer is doable if LOUD plays super well but 13 rounds over a B03? You can get that by just scrapping. This game is so snowbally!

he threw so many rounds today. Idk, hope blud doesn't watch this and get all sed n shit

he got better over time

that was okay but he had to go further instead of standing close. Cz you either get spammed there or the guy goes into the ult and insta kills u cz his hp isn't that low instantly.

3/4 pistolds lost. I could swear they lost majority of their pistols in all the matchups. Potter said the coach is directly involved in heavily designing the pistols only and kaplan is failing at it miserably. Like what tf is bro doing? He is playing the same comps, same few maps and still cooking up 5 man hit pistols? C'mon now? I love kap but what does bro even do?

can't close out anything. Threw that other round by lurking too fast

Nah he is a unique personality. Also, I don't think pros take it too seriously cz he's kind of a troll and the way he delivers the criticism gives it away. Also, he doesn't pile on the criticism on one guy, may be he will talk about one round where someone made a mistake but I think it's okay. I don't like casters waffling all the time and just narrating what's happening on the screen.

EU frauds serving it on a platter for Fnatic to make it to playoffs, may be even Shanghai. Chokers! VIT should be disbanded if they lose this match tbf.

y0y lover?

I fuck with this duo ngl. Perfect balance of hype and analysis.

Jingg
zekken
mada

I pointed out community narrative because you mentioned it first! You talked about people making excuses for tenz because of the kyedae issue then you edited out that part and asking me why I brought in the community support part! That's just you being scummy in an argument dude.
I admitted that he probably has more leeways on SEN bc of his stature and image but that doesn't mean he didn't deserve to be there on merit. His qualities are more apparent to his coaches and if he was afforded a spot just for his name the coaches and former players who got cut would have definitely said something about it.

I mean obviously his popularity, marketability etc. helps and there's no doubt that allows him more leeways than other pros but if you talk about community treatment, no one ever had it worse than tenz. Don't be revisionist, everyone nitpicks tenz all the time.
If you are talking about some people being supportive, then that could be said about demon1 and yay as well. yay tried to bribe his coach to cut a player and other bad incidents of being a toxic teammate and yet he has a reddit post in favor him currently trending on r/vlrcomp with 1k+ upvotes. Like community is always a mixed bag. There are haters and then there are fans.

That's just revisionist history. TenZ didn't have 2 years of poor performances. Also, TenZ is the pro player with the least care about stats but whose stats are the most important to people. Like this dude would TP in knowing full well he's about to die if that helps his team. Like I have never seen this dude try to bait a trade. Stat Andys might look up vlr to find these horrible stats(sometimes he genuinely played bad) but coaches recognize the selfless player he is and his input to the team.
That's why he has worked with multiple coaches at C9 and SEN and none of them talked badly of him even after leaving the team. Like even, syyko who left the team in such bad circumstances and still always been supportive of tenz and zekken.

yes but wrong link
https://www.twitch.tv/sacy

You see the vision

You see the vision