Absolutely. All 24 teams don't have to play at the same LAN either. They can do organised bootcamps / regional middle ground bootcamps and play out ESL Pro league style. and ahve a LAN for like the last 16 or 8 teams.

Lots of ways to make it work. Could be sick.

Scrimbux are like Instagram girls. Juicey, Exciting, You wan more. But they are ultimately devoid of substance T_T

they've achieved about as much as FPX have. You're lost

never argue with an idiot. People from a distance won't be able to tell the difference.

now we talking

do not argue with idiots, because people from a distance cannot tell the difference.

"facts"

proceeds to start throwing arbitrarily picked probablities at scenarios that "might" have happened.

I love this forum lol

you are hypothesising against a guy who served you with an actual fact. What the hell is wrong with you lmao.

If NA had same format as EMEA for stage 2, SEN actually would not have qualified because they got 2-0d by Andbox in challengers 2.

don't talk about how "reality works" when you are yet to grasp it yourself haha. You're just hypothesising how teams "might" have played if the format was different.

I don't subscribe to the whole "best teams didn't rep EU" narrative. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. BUT your argument is so flawed dude.

where is anyone saying this? aside from people rooting for team flair. I think it's generally accepted that right now NA LOOKS better. but LAN will confirm all.

who knows. alot of idiots on vlr.gg. Your take is more than reasonable.

Sen dropped maps to genG and rise. Then wentnon to win challengers. What's your point? Deluuuuusions run strong on vlr.gg.

Because they want to see cool, new matchups. Not envy 13-3 everyone in their group.

Because they want to see VS in elimination bracket, not "potentially" go out in groups because despite being top seed from their region, have a harder group than F4Q.

No one is asking for handpicked. They are asking for a little bit of common sense to be exercised.

What's the point in seeding if 3rd best team in NA has the easiest group (easier group than the top 1 seed NA).

What's the point in seeding and a random draw if the #1 team in KR is in a harder group than #2 KR seed.

Denial of this is purely delusional.

Dude it's shocking. I'd love to know what their thought process is for this. Seems like a lack of thought to me tho

Ya it's ridiculous man

no actually they did VS dirty. They're probably capable of beating those 2 EMEA teams, but the fact remains, they are the number 1 seed of their region and got put into a tough ass group. It's almost 100% that at least 1 EMEA team will make it out of that group. Same can't be about the Korean team tho

Why only Gold?

You're right. But the purpose of seeding is to balance groups and more importantly, reward qualification performance. So how are 3 teams that are clearly in the top 8 out of 16 all in same group. That is neither rewarding VS as #1 seed or creating a balanced group.

Good analogy.

come on man, don't be delusional. Acend knocked Gambit down to the lower bracket, which is arguably a more important game than the upper bracket final. I'm not saying they intentionally threw seeding games, but you're smoking something crazy if you think the team that tore through challengers to qualify for EMEA and sent the eventual EMEA winner into the lower bracket aren't good.

yeah man. a number of ways they could solve that group, but ah well. we'll see!

not necessarily true. EMEA #2 and #3 could easily have been number 1 on any other day. Even liquid almost beat gambit practically playing 4v5 on the 3rdd map. It's never so clear cut on valorant bro.

hahaha

Unless you're Envy.

Or how about winning your region (VS) and ending up in the most stacked group.

Great seeding

That's one way of looking at it. But then common sense should tell you that because of regional competitiveness.
VS are in a bad group.

"VS got 1st....they deserve a bad group".

It's even easier than that. They literally could even put Vs in Group B with Envy and that would more or less fix it.

2 EMEA teams in group is only half the issue.

#1 KR team in the most stacked group is also a problem.

okay fuck it then, lets just go, SEN, GAMBIT, SMB, ACEND in 1 group then.

"not boring" enough for you? 😀😀😀😀😀

no lies told. facts only

that tickled xD

sEeDiNg GaMeS mAtTeR

look at the groups and try again.

Best in KR has a harder group than 2nd place in KR. 3rd best team NA has EASIER GROUP THAN 1st BEST IN NA.

Seeding isn't just numbers, it's also common sense. YOU FOOL

hahaha xD

still haven't recovered from the beat down liquid gave ya'll huh

xD

This is correct. Happy to be proven wrong when the time comes. But Reykjavik fnatic > current G2 it looks like.

it's the second, and so far the biggest international LAN. It's gonna be exciting anyway seeing other regions clash. What isn't exciting, is seeing 2 EMEA teams that played each other in qualifiers, play each other in their first gamae on LAN.

The levels of frustration bro. Group B is wild free. a simple swap will make things more interesting and competitive.

it's absurd, that should be SEN instead of Envy in group B.

Group A is a joke too.

Riot games, come on guys? Group A group of death whilst Group B is super easy.

From a seeding perspective it doesn't make sense.

From a regional strength weighting perspective, it still doesn't make sense.

Initially I thought they did this to avoid the possibility of 4 EU + 3NA teams taking up 7 out of 8 spots in the play off. But there's zero guarantee of this. This could backfire and guarantee VS to not make it out of groups.

SMB and Acend just played each other in qualifiers, why the hell is their first game at an INTERNATIONAL Lan another pseudo-regional matchup. Mega facepalm.

You're getting fans "HOPES" vs "Expectations" mixed up. TSM fans didn't believe that sh^t at all

This. But your comment will get lost in the sauce. Let the rabble continue argue.

correct. They need a big reinvention.

Nah, I think everyone recognises they are currently not in the discussion after their playoff performance. They are no longer rated, period

I had SMB in my pickem reaching berlin but not Gambit. So I'm going SMB 3-2 Gambit.

Gonna be a long ass afternoon boys.

it's not uncommon for them to drop maps in NA. Several examples.

But saying that, I don't know if I'd put money on them dropping a series. They look like they know something about this game that everyone else doesn't.

add to that, they only went into OT because jampii had a seriously seriously seriously off day(shit happens). The team liquid are lucky narrative is pure delusion. Yeah they're not always great, but they are absolutely not a lucky team, they literally almost beat gambit who are now running the show.

Riot overlords. Good on 'em

Gotcha!

I get that, but how is it any different if an EMEA team wins?

Yes, it won't be auto qualification for 2 teams because of points standing. But still

Berlin winner
Emea circuit X2
Emea LCQ

This is the same as NA if Sen wins:
Berlin winner (Sen)
Na circuit X2
Na LCQ.

Correct me if I'm wrong, just confused by them singling out Sen in this situation. I've heard others do it too, can't see what I'm missing haha.

"or, in the case of a Sentinels victory, their region - in Valorant Champions, the end of year LAN tournament rumored to be held in Los Angeles."

Someone help me with this, I am a little confused. I understand that because of circuit points, Sen are already guaranteed a spot in champions, and if they win Berlin, that creates another spot for an NA team for champions.

But isn't this the case for all regions anyway?

For example if vS won Berlin, they automatically go to champions. But that also means another team from circuit points plus a team from LCQ gets a spot right?

The article makes it sound like this only applies to Sen, am I missing something?