and my opponent is Sideshow (my king): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAbzwolDvxM&ab_channel=PlatChatVALORANT
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and my opponent is Sideshow (my king): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAbzwolDvxM&ab_channel=PlatChatVALORANT
lil bro stole my whole fucking flow but at least i have him backing me up on this take https://www.vlr.gg/post/2968124/who-are-the-biggest-stats-inflators
should be completely 50/50, JDG look like the better team on paper but T1 went thru a massive upgrade so far just like last year whom they already beat JDG 3-1 in the semis. If I had to bet money though I'm going with T1 because the ppl on JDG's roster are known to choke in the past years (knight xd), but then again Ruler is Ruler.
I was just joking around to lighten up the mood lol sry if it made you upset, I personally don't enjoy having discussions like these if things get heated and sweaty over smth so little.
Like I said before though, you can't just compare both of their info initiators because Ethan also flexes flash initiators just as much. Ethan's FK/FDs is raised by his site taking subclass that aren't traditionally being ran by info initiators and its why both their Skye's have similar stats in that area. Trying to even the ground by taking out Ethan's engage agents isn't proving anything here. His Kayo is played half as much rounds as his Skye yet his FK:FD is almost even (10:9) because thats how flash initiators roll, it's simply a risker roll that comes at the cost of a way higher chance to lower those precious stats. Sova IMO is the safest initiator and one of the safest agents you can play overall, Leo excelled with that kind of playstyle and its why his stats look crazy at face value because there's less risks he needs to take that's all a core to FNC's playstyle.
uuuuh ok "bob" from "australia", I understand you think Leo is the Buddah of Valorant but you can't just isolate Ethan's agent pool for only info initiators and then compare the two when my entire point is that Ethan and many other initiators aren't strictly limited to being an info specialist by their team that carries a safer playstyle and its why his FK:FD and overall KD is lower despite showing a better initiator performance in Champs.
Initiators are not the entry in a site hit or retake when all five players are alive, that's the duelists job, but if you're on a flash initiator then you're gonna be the guy that's more often than not the follow up to whatever engage is happening that you set up for your duelist(s). It's why its rare to see flash initiators doing their own thing alone in pro play when a site needs to be taken, its expected of their role to be in the same risk as their duelists after the smokes go off because thats why the comp's usually drafted in the first place. Leo's norm isnt that and its why his stats are so cool because he plays in a way where the risks he takes are just less severe, the only exception for this though are his 4 maps of Skye with the other 10 being info agents, but even then he still plays Skye mainly for info with the bird while Chronicle goes on Breach for the site take which is honestly the meta anyways for Skye if a double initiator comp is being ran.
ok "bob" if thats even your REAL name, you can say that Leo is the Jesus Christ of info initiators but the whole point of using FDs as a statistic for initiators in particular isn't to show that "hey this guy is more aggressive which means he's better", there are common situations where initiators take the initiative to risk themselves in site takes/retakes to force trades for the rest of the team and take a lot of pressure off their duelist and whatnot that doesn't FNC fuck with alot, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing since FNC is mainly putting Leo on info only duty. Also idk where you got that FK and FD for Ethan because I'm getting 34:36 on VLR (its 26:17 if we arent counting Lower & Grand Final since FNC got knocked out before all that).
whatever you say bob, you can say Leo solved initiator or smth but early aggression more often than not make or break rounds that some other initiators take better advantage of (especially saadhaak). Ethan was the best initiator during Champs but his stats still aren't close to Leo's in terms of KD because EG and FNC play two different playstyles and it happens to be that Leo's overall stats benefit way more from it.
it changes a bit but its nothing crazy, in a FK:FD ratio he went 18:17 in the EMEA, 13:8 in Champs, and 11:2 in Masters (huge), and 15:7 in Lock IN, so its a combined 57:34.
not really lol, easy kills like trading and saves exist in this game that can boost your KD and your overall rating. Being 10/0 is better than being 20/10.
it's also low relative to his total kills and the amount of games he's played in each tourney
I wouldnt call him overrated tbh because he's still insane for his consistency when the team needs him, but calling him top 1 is wild
Leo had 147 deaths in Champs and only 8 were first deaths, i think the guy's still cracked but u cant tell me his stats arent inflated by a lot of trade and garbage kills. It gets worse cus the guy had 7 FDs out of 172 deaths in Sao Paulo, 17 FDs out of 307 deaths in the EMEA League, and 2 FD's for the entirety of Tokyo lol.
34 FDs out of 728 for the entirety of VCT 2023. It's easy to look like the perfect player when you're letting your team do 99% of all the risks lol, it's why his FK count is also really low. Alfa who's putting relatively the same KDs is showing up with way more FDs in each tourney because the guy simply takes WAY more risks than Leo and still strives under it.
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Ruler who's on the road to become the GOAT ADC in the next few years if he keeps this form, he's already considered the 2nd best of all time to some ppl
honestly if im being 100% real, even with Boostio they'd only be above SEN. I'm not a hater or anything but Asuna & Cryo haven't been the same at all since they left 100T. Maybe they'll upgrade for 2024 but their potential looks really limited.
if demon1 cured cancer ppl still wouldnt put him 1st its fr crazy
EG are literally holding them hostage because of how good they are lul
Demon1 x Jawgemo if were talking the highest peak. A combined +54 +/- in the grand final when the rest of EG went -9 together is some Shaq x Kobe shit.
lowkey,
C9
NRG
G2
SEN
100T
if EG stays together though (even if Boostio is out) then theyre top 1.
you can also look at it like FNC getting continuously weaker ever since Masters ended. OXY looking like aspas out there though.
nobody with a healthy mind can gaslight themselves into thinking 100t even with boostio is gonna win anything lol.
Nadeshot will 100% sell his wife for Boostio if 100T get 2-0d against a sub and a fucking stand in LOL. This shit gonna hit NBA numbers or smth, at this rate Boostio might actually be the only truth for this awful team.
nah thats crazy
all I know is that Zellsis doesnt deserve to be a 6th man even if he wants to sit out for most of 2024 sadge
were you in a coma after 2023 Americas or did you just completely forget about Ethan lol
both teams suffer from this its gonna be crazy, boostio probably not scrimming until jan lol
love how zekken goes +8 and youre immediately convinced he's top 5 in the world over either aspas, derke, smoggy, and scream.
C0M is rumored to 100T (might be too expensive ngl since theyre already buying out Boostio) but there's been nothing for Jawgemo who's currently the best Raze player bar none (astro gapping Jinggg like that in his last series is fucked). I'd imagine he had one of the highest buyouts on the team that skyrocketed after his finals performance and teams in NA can't find a good enough reason to purchase him if they're already gas lighting themselves into thinking their duelists are already somewhat as good (100T). The duelist pool's just too inflated rn and he might honestly be the only guy resigning to that dogshit org unfortunately.
Being the best player in the world while flexing two very distinct roles against teams like 2023 PRX, FNC, LOUD, EDG, and DRX imo shows way more pure talent and dominance. Like the competition only gets more fierce each year, yay's still my GOAT but Demon1 had the best peak we've seen in Valorant last month.
I mean yay is definitely top 3 but aspas for now without any bias is the undisputed GOAT if we're talking legacies here which is kinda sad since his rival ended up missing pretty much the entire year of VCT. I'd rate Chronicle at 2nd then yay.
EG also beat LOUD though lmfao what, they played crazy but the pressure got to them I feel and Jawgemo took massive advantage with that. They looked completely lost 90% of the time Jawgemo did anything aggressive on that agent its wild.
He's literally yay incarnate, it's like we never lost the best duelist (and chamber) in the world.
That's what im fucking thinking too like what. I know he's a cracked aimer with his micro movement but fuck this playoffs he looks lost too many times.
Feels like every needed duel he takes he loses it 100% its fucking unreal how much of an anchor he is rn. He's even aware of his performance so far but he still hasn't mentally checked himself in when he needs to. The guy's a genius but he's constantly looking like FNS out there with his aim. Hell every time he double peeks he either dies first or doesn't get the kill ever.
This is just unbelievable now, Demon1 has been in this same consistent form the entire tourney. Literally the greatest individual peak we've ever seen in Valorant and now he just out fucking aims the entire PRX aim demons again (with Jawgemo of course).
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