that doesnt make sense tho, mibr got the plant off so they are only damaging the fact that mibr wont get kill money which can be upto $1000 total. but if you even try to break armor, lets say you get damage on 2/3 of the players, they lose $2000/$3000 so even if they get the kills, its better for them to try. also it doesnt consider util as more util would have to be expended and rebought and ult orbs doesnt help when most of the ults are not that great (omen ult jett ult, astra ult is okay)