Don't count out Haodong, he's insane

If it makes you feel better sure bro

you gotta be trollin

LMAO

Honestly no, I think this team is perfectly fine as it is. Nobody still has incredible impact even though his stats aren't the best

China has only been allowed to play at internationals since last champs bro

it's a lot more entertaining though ngl

absolutely, their attacks were slow and methodical. Haodong is a very underrated igl, he had the perfect reads

there are tons of vods of china tournaments and teams have definitely used them to try and antistrat, but yeah everything else I agree with

Tbh let's not count out that EDG's tactical is also still excellent
They just build on top of that with aggressive plays, but not all the time

I also called EG winning vs DRX and EDG winning vs NAVI
Next EDG beats T1 in their rematch trust

No KK would just pushed the walls like he did against T1, he did better against viper + harbour honestly

cry more

You argue about the idea of it not being fair. If we really consider "fairness" then maybe you should consider the fact that the government has only just approved of valorant at the start of this year, and it still hasn't even released yet in China. This means they are 3 years behind the rest of the world, they clearly already have players with insane mechanics, decision making (kk, chichoo, life etc.) and the potential to be top contenders. All they need now is experience and international exposure until that's made a reality. Giving them less international chance is not gonna help with how they've not won any games yet - it'll do the opposite. And let's not forget that EDG did dominate the East Asia LCQ last year in order to qualify for Champions - they earned that, without dropping a single map to ONS (who's core is now GenG) and NTH who's been at a masters.

EDG also has destroyed DRX and PRX in scrims before? Does that mean they're better? No lmao

I think them 2 are already at that level, they're very underrated. Chichoo did underperform a bit today but usually he's insane

I mean even PRX struggled against EDG so you might be right - or EDG is just decent? Who knows

EDG 2-1 NAVI
They lose first map but comeback

No that's what I expected but EDG actually played far better strat-wise than T1. Just watch the game yourself and you'll see, EDG were actually the ones getting aim diffed on fracture btw. Tarik and TMV did also say EDG were the better team, their chats (most not all) agreed, if you were looking at forums during the game there were tons of posts about EDG being better too and people asking "how does the clearly better team lose" lots of YT comments on the EDG clips etc. And actually I'll give you the sole reason why, its because they cannot spray a spike defuse for shit - if they could btw they would've ended halves 9-3 against T1. Now I thought this was a small problem they could fix, but this has been the consistent reason why they've been losing series ever since they played vs PRX a year ago. CN just not used to playing post plant and for some reason they're not improving at it (though they are at all the other aspects)

Holy shit maybe you do

Lol I can acknowledge that I just posted this as a reaction to the moment xeta got that wb hs kill in dugout cause he missed the shot on the skye dog which was ridiculous. T1 did get lucky but a better team wouldnt have let themselves lose to pure luck, All love - hoping EDG come back strong in lower bracket

shave your eyebrows if ASE make it out of groups too deal?

ily brotha

EDG has a far smaller sample size to be fair, this is their 4th international game and they're already making so many improvements - ASE is still far from international level but they were 10-10 with DRX at one point. I really encourage you to watch the T1 game because it really does change your perspective even though I do understand your view. I mean it was the same with fnatic when everyone expected them to be a winner but it just wasn't happening - until they finally won Lock In. Only time will tell.

Well said, they're looking a lot better in other aspects now at least

They were able to qualify for tokyo though so I think EDG at least deserve to be here - idk if that's your stance or not, there's just a lot of people who say CN didn't deserve these slots. Ig it's more related to the people who thought they'd dominate, and tbf (this is why I think you should watch) they were not far off from it, they always put themselves in great win situations (post plants with man advantage etc.) just to miss EVERY spray onto the defuse through smokes - I think it's a pretty small thing they can work on before their next game and if they could kill the defuser they would've ended multiple halves 9-3 against T1. Unlucky today, but hopefully they can show results later

Isn't enough for what? Being the top 3 teams? Ofc not, I don't think EDG is a top 3 team I just think they deserve to be at Tokyo, there's a lot of people saying they don't deserve it at all but I mean every single match they've played is very close, and also entertaining as hell tbh I mean just think of what the jp crowd thought of kk's plays today (and before you say it, ofc entertaining isnt enough but given they were 12-11 at one point then I think it's a fair point to bring up, ofc it doesnt work for a team who got demolished just cause one of their jetts is popping off)

Guess who didn't watch the match? 🫵

Yeah fair enough, I think they were just overthinking it far too much. Tbf though EDG were playing a lot better strat-wise surprisingly and T1 were the ones pulling out the individual game saving plays - I thought it'd be the other way around ngl, they just really really really suck at spraying the spike defuse (prob cuz no-one in CN ever just sticks the defuse..)

Yeah its prob cause he still flexes onto Jett sometimes, like when they played bind recently

Idk didn't watch, I mean all in all if I'm being serious then EDG could've avoided losing to luck if they actually worked on their postplants cause their sprays were never hitting. It was just ridiculous in the moment seeing xeta missing a shot on a skye dog thus wallbang hsing someone in dugout. In the end T1 got pretty lucky in moments while EDG didn't but if they were one of the best teams like FNC etc. then luck wouldn't be enough to beat them - it's just unfortunate that everyone's gonna continue shitting on CN because they haven't won a match even tho it was very close and they've shown insane potential

I'd say he's better than saya

It's been almost a year since he started flexing so he def got the experience, idk if that still counts as "recent" but yah no hate

Tbh smoggy played better because life was ill with covid at the time. If you look at Life's stats on his recent game vs DRX his FKs are insane, unfortunately jett/raze is all he plays tho - smoggy the goat for flexing anything

Yah EDG choking in both league and val like tf

Tbh he did, chichoo looked a lil off tho today

The pearl curse, they need to ban that shit till its reworked bruh

If you say that then you must also think T1 is not very good then, I think from how EDG performed they deserve to be at Tokyo at least since they were 12-11 last map at one point.

Also I saw that MANY people think EDG were the better team even tho they lost - tarik included

Totally agree, what would you say those fundamentals are tho?

Honestly that's how I see it going

It's also because valorant hasn't released in CN, yet they're still able to put up such good performances.

There were definetely expectations for EDG to do well, especially based on how they almost 2-0d a PRX fresh from 2nd place masters, and a 100T seen as the best in NA at the time. However no one expected ASE to do as well as they did today, getting to 10-10 vs DRX on fracture in their first ever international game is insane.

Bit rarer tho cuz a lot of people hate on CN just because they hate the CCP which makes no sense

Tf are you talking about?? People have known how CN has played since last year.. and they've been attending every international event after champs, they're well known by APAC teams because they're a great scrim partner. 100T failed at antistratting them btw - Stellar said himself that he could not read EDG at all. And PRX is the pacific champion with the same aggressive style? Yet they're not getting antistratted?

You're only saying this because you clearly didn't watch the match, tarik also thinks it was one of the most entertaining matches he's watched and he watches like every single one ever. T1 pulls out the most insane clutches out of nowhere, kang kang is an absolute demon with the op, hitting noscopes, etc.

Honestly I think if there's anyone that can diff demon1 it'd be life - not even kk (maybe with an op but rifle? nah)

NRG 2-1 T1

Nah that would've been fire bro robot starts rapping n shit

Watch EDG vs T1 and you'll be anything but bored. By far one of the most entertaining games I've seen at masters - half the reason was because of zmjjkk ngl

Also it's only the first year of franchising, give it some time and it will develop more competitively

Yup, I'm already seeing the effect that the international exposure has been having on them and they'll only keep improving from now on. Chichoo had quite an off day today too

Totally agree, ty for this post brotha. The nerves are definetely a huge factor for EDG's losses, they were not far off from beating all of PRX, 100T, and T1 today. Everytime it goes to OT they lose too, hoping they work on their post plants though.