that would be a downgrade tho
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lost to fut and drx to champs using the same strats
they lost to fut in the regular season... they lost to fut... to fut... It wasn't because of recycling strats either this was before tokyo.
Regardless even when they were at their peak (tokyo) it was still their weakest map. They almost lost to EG on it. Also you don't just get 13-1ed because of recycling stats. Especially by 2023 DRX. Recycling strats on a map that wasn't weak would've been like a 13-6 or 13-7 or at worst a 13-4 (look at their loud games) you dont just get 13-1ed on a good part of your map pool. Also literally just watch the post loud rematch interview from last year. Mini literally agreed that bind was weak for them.
whats this revisionist history? Bind was objectively a weak map for fnc last year.
I guess a direct point-by-point response is now ignoring what someone said 🤷♂️. Oh well we both know you're just running away because I exposed the fact you don't know basic mechanics about how clove's kit works which completely negates your argument. Not surprising I'd be embarrassed too if I were you.
are shit were shit will be shit nothing changed
if you're gonna type this much why not read what I actually typed? No shit im not saying agents are only picked based on how long they've been in the game??? There is a reason you didn't quote me saying that and it's cause I never said it. I literally went on to write it takes teams extra time they do not have to create strats and comps including new agents.
Are you daft? Do you understand the English language? Replying to a comment saying that clove isn't going to get picked with "well shes a new agent so teams aren't picking her" clearly implies that the only reason clove isn't being played is because shes new. I literally even agreed and said the fact that she is newer may be a slight factor. Ironically you're doing exactly what you say I'm doing. You look desperate dude.
.t does not require line of site
It literally does. How do you not even know the mechanics of an agent you like? You're an idiot.
Go look it up on youtube random people have already made util lineups
All of which have the q explode within line of sight of the target. This is embarrassing dude you should stop.
Clove's decay has a large splash zone
*if the opponent is within line of sight :)
It will not be ww3 to create a lineup like you are implying
Never said it was you're attempting to exaggerate my point (that clove has objectively the worst decay ability in the game) in order to make yourself look less delusional.
If she is dead she can't heal
No shit Sherlock. If you're picking her for her heal then you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far gone to be reasoned with.
Clove can do more alive then when they are dead
While objectively true, this misses the entire point I was making. She is balanced around having impact after death. Because she can still smoke after death the abilities she can use while still alive are weaker. If you gave omen her smoke after death ability he would be busted. She isn't busted because her other util (heal and decay) are absolute horseshit compared to every other controller in the game.
Again with you not reading, as I said before, being able to use clove's abilities after death is a perk
This is ironic because I literally said this. You're scrambling son. Keep intentionally misinterpreting my words.
On top of all this Clove's smokes regenerate. She can throw out more smokes a round than any other agent.
Her smokes have the same cooldown as Omen's... They also don't last as long. How stupid can you be? You literally need to invent another agent entirely for them to even be ok.
That alone is a situation where their kit exceeds other smoke agents
No. Unless the other smoke agent dies before using any of their util (not something any team on the planet plans for) this does not put her above the other smokers. She sucks at taking space compared to viper and omen. She sucks at holding space compared to viper and omen. Hell, she's even worse at taking fights than omen since none of her util actually helps her take the fight. Her ability to smoke after death is the aspect of her kit that makes up for her dogshit util. Unfortunately, since this is pro-play no team is going to sacrifice the ability to take space for the potential to maybe trade a kill and then maybe take the site and then maybe stall the post plant long enough for a second round of smokes. Any team would just pick omen and use the blind to take site an option that is simultaneously SAFER AND MORE EFFECTIVE.
Ironic you kept saying I don't know how to read while not know basic mechanics of your agent and intentionally misinterpreting what I was saying 🤭
sure u did that's why you responded by accepting the provocation 🤣
how dumb do you have to be to fall for this type of bait...
back to where? you're still in emea
no maybe youre just a masochist
many teams aren't going to spend time learning a new agent and creating new strats for new comps with these week by week games, which is a big reason why many new agents aren't being picked
a new agent not being picked can be because they are new. however saying that the only reason she isnt picked is because of she is new is dumb. ISO still isn't picked is it because hes new? Neon hardly gets picked and we know she's such a new agent.
Clove's ability to throw a decay mixed with any damaging util (shock dart, nade, molly, etc) can create kills without even seeing opponents, which is the best type of kill because there is no risk
It is objectively worse than a fade seize or practically any other ability that causes decay. The jank introduced by requiring line of sight to cause the decay inherently makes it less consistent of an ability than practically any ability in the game. This jank also means winging a clove decay/other util combo is inherently less consistent.
Best example is ascent A. If the team planted in front of gen, which is extremely common, then the decay practically has to hit directly on the spike for it to be effective. If it hits in front of the spike there's a huge chance it will just miss because LOS is broken by the elevation. Compare this to a viper molly, brim molly, etc.
Regardless when you're picking clove you're giving up such major util for no reason. Omen blind is the single strongest blind in the game. Viper util is global and devastatingly effective at dividing up large space. Even brim molly is a more consistent and universal tool than the clove decay. She objectively has the weakest util out of any controller.
You also do not have to plan on having her die to use her kit
To have her value exceed that of other smoke agents you do. Her kit is clearly balanced around the idea that she is going to be taking first fights and dying. That's why she has a heal. That's why she can res on death. That's why she can smoke after death. That is the entire conception of the agent. The reason her util is weaker than the other smoke agents is because she can still smoke after death. This is a dumb thing to build a game-plan around.
because the emea group stage is just a formality everyone already knows who is and isnt making playoffs
i mean calling morgan wallen country is like calling vanilla ice a rapper. technically true but no one takes him seriously.
all trash watch something other than shounen for once in your life.
MF there is no meta in solo q. jett gets played every practically single game she never got replaced. majority of my games dont have a viper unless its icebox or breeze. half my games dont even have cypher. people are just mad to be mad.
mf we're talking about solo q there has never been a time in the history of valorant where 5 agents every map has ever been a thing for solo q stop coping
no amount of coms can make you shoot straight
That's not remotely my point but if you need to lie to yourself to make yourself feel less embarrassed go right ahead.
ah yes GE set up their duelist properly. monyet their duelist. oh wait 😅.
Sentinels totally set up zekken correctly last year youre so right thats why tenz (their other duelist) also did well last year because they were just so good a setting up duelists. oh wait 😅.
guild set up their duelist leo so well. leo their duelist. oh wait 😅.
SQN was setting up their duelist Demon1 so well. their duelist. oh wait 😅.
brother you have no clue what you're even talking about you just desperately want to be right and are talking out of your ass.
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY BLEED OR NRG GAMES??? WHAT??
HAVE YOU SEEN GE OR ANDBOX OR EDG OR SEN (2023) OR GUILD OR SUR OR SQN GAMES?????? WHAT???
good job ignoring my point :)
WAS TEXTURE SHINING REGARDLESS BACK AT GE
yes? when they put him on duelist absofuckinlutely. did you watch GE last year? im guessing not. Its almost like he was playing agents he didnt know how to play at the beginning of the year. sound familiar?
watchs the games first then talk shit
ironic
notice how you have to deflect from every player i mentioned because it completely disproves your entire argument.
you think as if pro play is ranked and duelists can just go do whtv they want and go kill
thats a strawman? I never said that but ok 🤪
then its not a team
you're gonna call me braindamaged and then say shit like this? how does a player performing well on a shit team make it "not a team"? you sound like you were dropped on your head as a child.
clove aint gettin picked. shes fine for solo q but lacks the util needed for pro. Shes basically reyna for smokes. To get her unique bonuses you need to plan on having her die. Thats a bad plan for pro. For solo q its ok since your team probably isnt gonna trade you perfectly and you will have games where you need to entry as smokes.
She wont replace omen/(occasionally)astra and for pro theres no scenario where double smokes would result in anyone other than harbor or viper.
1 they literally just added clove my guy.
2 you sound like you don't play smokes.
viper is team dependent. But she always has been even before this change. Omen is not remotely team dependent unless you're shit at him. Hes got more solo play-making potential than every sentinel and half the initiators.
If anything I'd say harbor needs a buff. The issue with that is him in combination with viper sucks.
Viper is too much of a mainstay on many maps
the issue is the reason she's a mainstay on half the maps she gets played on (breeze icebox bind lotus) is because of the map geometry heavily favoring the wall. The nerfs aren't going to affect her pick rate on maps like that. It will lower her pick rate on maps like split and ascent but she isn't exactly a mainstay on those. The changes are ok but they'll just lead to less dynamic viper play on the maps where she is a mainstay.
yes and? if anything that makes him look worse? he does a monkey sound realizes its fked up immediately tries to cover... The meme sounds 0% like a monkey hes not even doing the right rhythm... There's only one way to interpret the noises he was making lol
Tell me how that sounds even remotely like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_KDdrlkeM
Not saying hes racist but saying that thats the meme he was intimating is such obvious cope.
its t2... wait till they get to ascension time will tell
wtf is this bad raze bs narrative
Its not BS? they clearly lack the ability to play the agent... Whether or not you think it is entirely their fault is a separate issue. Regardless we've seen time and time again if a player is truly a world class player they will shine regardless of if their team is shit. Look at KK. Look at monyet last year. Look at fkin yay from andbox. Look at alfa before FNC. Look at demon1 before EG. Look at Leo before FNC. Look at zekken ALLLLLLLL last year.
im tired of the fkin y0y fans who want to blame everyone else but him because their precious little pro player can do no wrong.
the cam change only has an effect if you're a dumbass who never looks at your mini-map. This is a slight nerf to gimmicky cams at worst at best its a QOL change that hardly affects anything like the smoke change.
if bringing back prime optic means dealing with the bs that was chamber meta then they're better left in the graveyard
gambit so boring. sit in spawn stare at wall for 1 minute. 99% of teams contact into the most passive default imaginable because this is 2021 and no one know wtf they're doing.
essentially it means "shit bait"
fuckers will pretend they don't have a gambling addiction then be spending their last dollar on stake shits crazy
oh it get it you're sooooooo not mad totally 🤭
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