Yeah I just said that they lost to Rise and C9.
I don't think you get my point. I always agreed that they fell apart after steels departure. But I don't think that proofs that steel is a worldclass igl. Without steel they've only played 4 vct matches before making more changes (departure of steel, nitr0, b0i and dicey) where they won against GenG and XSET and lost to Rise and C9. That's still a very decent performance. If you think that a team after a roster and also role changes immediately has to be as strong as before, than that's where we disagree. I think that if they would've benched Hiko, Asuna, Ethan or nitr0 instead of steel the team would have still not been able to qualify for champions. Because roster changes always make things difficult.